Oregon standoff: Final 5 say they will leave if the FBI agrees not to arrest them

[yellowcanine]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sej-oregon-standoff-final-5-20160128-story.html

Funny how that works guys. You break the law, you subject yourself to possible arrest. You do not get to negotiate over whether or not you get arrested. You might get to negotiate with a prosecutor over what you are actually charged with, but guess what - law enforcement does not really have a choice - if they have probable cause they have to arrest you or they are not doing their jobs.

[mikeysnot]

1. Even with guns they are still cowards...

typical....

[Skittles]

49. "even with guns"

that's what MAKES them cowards

[daleanime]

53. +1

[mikeysnot]

62. word

sigh... moan.

[fredamae]

2. lol

Cut off incoming/outgoing traffic/food etc deliveries. Shut off electricity and block cell phone services. They'll be out soon enough.

[Mister Ed]

6. Yep. No more Slim Jims and Doritos for those guys. n/t

[Jerry442]

18. Donner! Party of five.

Would you like menus...or just some silverware?

[yellowcanine]

21. Actually they must have eaten one because it is only 4 now.

[MyOwnPeace]

29. Actually,

I truly don't understand why this wasn't done from day 1.

Instead, they let them act like a 7 year old running away from home and staying on the back porch, with Mom feeding him and giving him blankets and pillows!

[catnhatnh]

30. My bet is that the government has been gathering intelligence

We're talking 4 weeks of every anti-government loon in the country reacting to a possible revolution. A lot of unknowns were cleared up.

[fredamae]

38. Having never been in law enforcement

I can only venture a guess. They (bundy's) were looking to incite violence and the FBI along with local officials did not take their bait-in fact - seemed to ignore them-Maddening Bundy's even further. Many Oregonians and others from all around the country wanted swifter action-myself included.
A lot more people could have been harmed had they taken Bundy's baiting seriously. A lot more people, could have been harmed had the FBI taken advice from those like me-without LE experience who wanted swift and immediate action....
In retrospect, considering the volatility of this whole thing, they did the right thing. There was little human harm. Now it's time to roll our sleeves up, collectively, and see how we can help clean up and restore the material things that were damaged.
I think most folks living in this community and Oregon as well..are relieved that this is winding down. I know I am. The locals, I'm sure are looking forward to getting back to their normal routines. It's gonna take awhile to truly get this behind them...understandably.
just my opinion

[Hortensis]

3. Someone should remind them that they'll make

better martyrs if they go to prision.

[TeeYiYi]

33. ...or die in a shootout. ..nt

TYY

[Hortensis]

50. Oh, yes. RWers are denouncing the "execution"

as it is.

[rustydog]

4. Not that I would wish death on these idiots

all the "tough guy" talk from day one was lots of bloodshed and their willingness to die for their cause...The constitooshun, Amurika and gunz or somethin....
When push came to shove, they simply collapsed like the weak house of cards they were.
Now, they want to not be arrested for breaking local, state and federal law?

Fucking morans if I ever saw any.

[avebury]

5. One of the five, Sean, faces arrest.

From the article linked above.

Sean could be heard explaining in the video that he had been there four times for two or three days each during the occupation, while Fry noted that some others who were allowed to leave were there “for weeks.”

Let me guess, Sean was stupid enough to act in a manner which have allowed the Feds to add him to the list of those to be charged. I am thinking that the other 4 didn't do anything on social media, online, or at the site which could link them to an easily chargeable offense.

[yellowcanine]

11. Yes, David Fry seems to be operating under some junior high school notion of fairness.

I guess we can put it down to either his youth or that he is a beer short of a sixpack. Obviously the Feds are more interested in what you did and said rather than how long you were there. Besides, what Fry doesn't seem to understand is that just because they get let go now without being arrested doesn't mean they won't be arrested later once the Feds tear apart that place and add up all of the evidence.

[randome]

20. Did you hear part of his rant yesterday?

We need to all become Israelites
raw milk is healthy for us
the government is turning your kids into transgenders through chemicals
atrizine castrates males, turns them into queers.
pedophile groups are trying to get rights

This is all the fault of the evil government, you know.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[yellowcanine]

23. Maybe he got some atrizine in his raw milk.

Would explain a lot.

[randome]

28. LOL! Yes, it would.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Denzil_DC]

7. Well ...

Yesterday, ringleader Jason Patrick presented himself at the checkpoint, trying to leave the refuge after some earlier negotiation:

Simon Gutierrez ‏@sggutierrez 12h

Patrick's friend though told us Jason was tricked, told he could walk away freely, then immediately arrested. #fox12oregon

Unless they're asking for permanent immunity or unofficial pardon, the FBI or PD can change their minds at any time. And if they renege on a promise, watcha gonna do? Sue?

[KansDem]

9. "...watcha gonna do? Sue?"

They could jump up and down and scream!

Oh, wait...that's what they've been doing since they arrived.

[Wellstone ruled]

13. This Guy tryed to leave via walking through the back country.

Oops,from what was reported last night,he said he was cold tired and hungry and couldn't go any more. And he did not want to die. The Feds had this place so surrounded,you think for one minute anyone was going to just walk out the back way,not. Understand the folks who left yesterday had to go through a FBI check point and you know they have every piece of information necessary if they need to find them later. Notice the Judge in Portland put a hold on the ones in custard due to flight risk. No bail baby.

[malaise]

27. I like this post

profound by its matter-of 'factness'

You make your bed, so shall you lie!!!

[Wellstone ruled]

36. If you want to see or hear a real sicko.

Go to the Review Journal of Las Vegas,Old man Bundy went totally of the rails yesterday PM. And his Sister threatened a Channel 8 News crew who were stopped at the Bundy Driveway seeking a comment from the Demented Senior Bundy(BTW,this guy is for real yes),she was going home to get her gun and shoot them. Needless to say,the News Crew bailed into Mesquite to do their stand up for the 6 pm show.

[Denzil_DC]

45. All joshing aside,

I've been reading reports of some personal strongarming going on in Burns, aimed at a person identified as "BLM" in one case, and there's an ugly mood among some still out there and not directly identified as linked to the occupation. Some of it's encouraged by the idea, fanned by some irresponsible media, that Finicum was mown down while surrendering, some of it's more complex than that and feeds into long-term resentment.

Looks like some of the militias and local hotheads are pissed at the Bundy crew for blowing this, and their cover - as if the feds haven't been onto them for a long time, as they're far from subtle.

Added to that, whether this humiliation will be seen as sticking to Bundy's crew or extending to the whole movement, it likely won't be over once the last stragglers leave the "siege." And future negotiations will be harder if bargains aren't seen as being kept and the idea catches hold that there's no point in surrendering because you're dead anyway. I imagine that's all part of the calculations the authorities have been making in their response.

All in all, it looks like it's been a very effective honeypot, whether that was just another FBI ruse as they bided their time, or just a lucky accident for them. We'll have to wait and see whether they're prepared for any retaliations etc.

[Wellstone ruled]

48. Interesting

observation. After the debacle in Bunkerville,which seemed to end when the City of Mesquite and their Casino's lost their asses and called for a end of the farce,there are still tensions both in Vegas and the Mesquite areas. There will be some type of consequences for the Players and Wannabes still associated with Bundy and his relatives. It was a embarrassment for the Clark County(Metro)Sheriff's Department and there have been statements from the new Sheriff that they will move on these.

Right now this land thing is a hot button topic with the Utah and Nevada Republican Congresspersons. These folks are fanning the flames of distrust big time. And there is this issue of Politicians and Relatives and family ties seem to be in play.

As for the BLM folks,never meet or worked with one who was a BadAss or a fake.

[2pooped2pop]

57. BLM

Bureau of Land Management

[Wellstone ruled]

58. Yes.

[malaise]

51. I'll pass thank you

[Gregorian]

8. rofllolzors

[Egnever]

10. There are only 4 now...

[Iggo]

12. Getting arrested at a protest used to be a badge of honor.

Oh, wait...

[Sunlei]

14. FBI let go some who didn't threaten anyone.

[tammywammy]

15. ...

[awoke_in_2003]

24. I love that commercial. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

16. As usual these dumbasfucksters think they are

in charge.

[yellowcanine]

19. Sean Anderson is apparently the one facing a felony count.

If he had any balls and any self respect he would give up so that the other three could leave also. Either they have something on you Sean or they don't. If you can make your case, a prosecutor just might decide to drop the charges. But you can't get there from here without going throw that checkpoint and possibly getting arrested.

[hollowdweller]

22. I'd think using gov't computers would get the guy from OH arrested.

[yellowcanine]

35. David Fry. Someone needs to call his Mommy on him.

For all of his tough talk, he doesn't appear to be a threat so will likely get a slap on the wrist after all of this is over. I don't think anyone, including the FBI, is taking him very seriously. Just a weird lost dude.

[nichomachus]

25. Can't they just lure them out with snacks?

[randys1]

26. I would agree to throw them a pizza party when they left, then the instant they did, arrest

their asses.

[ananda]

31. From Goethe's Faust part II

Check out these lines from Goethe's Faust II.i.2 and see if we haven't been witnessing this very thing right now.

Chancellor:
Justice! – All men love and prize it,
What all ask, yet wish they could do without,
The people look to him to hand it out. (him is the Emperor)
But ah! What help can human wit deliver,
Or kindly heart, or willing hand, if fever
Rages wildly through the state, and evil
Itself is broodingly preparing evil?
Look about, from this height’s extreme,
Across the realm: it seems like some bad dream,
Where one deformity acts on another,
Where lawlessness by law is furthered,
And an age of crime is discovered.
Here one steals cattle, there, a wife,
Cross, cup and candlestick, from the altar,
And boasts of it for many a year,
His skin’s intact, and so’s his life.

[leftynyc]

32. How about lay down

your arms, get on the ground with your hands behind your head and we wont kill you for resisting arrest? How's that for a compromise?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. That plea might work with their mommies.

[spanone]

37. so, there's five comedians holed up there!

[likesmountains 52]

39. Found this gem..yesterday's "Armageddon Man" is today's "Last Dance Guy".

[yellowcanine]

41. Sean Anderson, the one facing a probable cause felony arrest.

He is the reason they are still there. Fry boy is insisting that they all go without arrest. Sean is claiming he shouldn't be arrested based on the reasoning that others who were there longer got to leave without being arrested. Logic not a strong point with the stragglers any more than the Bundy Bros.

[avebury]

61. Right now the Feds are picking the low hanging fruit.

That means arrest the people who they have a really solid case on now. Later on they go after anybody that they can make a case on once they process the refuge and go over the huge volume of incriminating evidence the yahoos put out on on social media (Facebook, Twitter, Youtube), interviews, and vidoes of them doing illegal acts. They are not the brightest bulbs in the garden.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

43. Sounding pretty defeated for someone who hasn't fired a single shot for his revolution. nt

[HuckleB]

40. Sounds like a five-year-old I know.

"I'll stop (screaming at the top of my lungs) if I don't have to take a break in my room."

Yup. Same mentality. Wow!

[lpbk2713]

42. "Hey, we were only kidding for the past couple of weeks."

"Can't you guys take a joke?"


Ahem.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

44. The video above: We're just camping! nt

[Danascot]

46. Ranch Stupidians

nt

[liberaltrucker]

47. Fine. Let OSP arrest them.

nt

[Android3.14]

52. It's heartwarming to see true 'Murkins standing on principle.

Not.

Maybe we should send them a recording of "We Shall Not Be Moved" to show them what it means to face a true struggle for civil rights.

[Iggo]

60. Complete with firehoses and police dogs?

I don't think these delicate flowers could handle it.

(For that matter, neither could I. But I'm also not the one who dared the Feds to come and get me...lol.)

[BlueMTexpat]

54. Tough toenails!

Actions have consequences!

Throw the book at these yahoos and don't give them ANY more media time!

[polichick]

55. Arrogance. Privilege. Assholery. There just aren't enough words!

[BarbaRosa]

56. Kinda like, Ah comeon ossifer,

juss lemme fisnishhh this beer and I promush I'll drive schreight home.

[Sienna86]

59. Well, I doubt that's going to happen.

You break a law, you pay the price.

[hexola]

63. Letting them go is NOT COMFORTING to the other 300 million of us who werent involved

No Mulligans once there's a corpse!

[Act_of_Reparation]

64. "Alright, lissen up here..."

"We'll stop breakin' the law if y'all agree not to bust us for breakin' the law. Deal?"

[struggle4progress]

65. Here's the news from 6 January:

Oregon Occupiers to Face Charges When Siege Ends
by TONY DOKOUPIL and CORKY SIEMASZKO
The anti-government activists who took over a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon are going to face federal charges when the siege is over, the local sheriff told NBC News on Wednesday. "The (FBI) has assured me that those at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge will at some point face charges," Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward told NBC ...

So ... after more than three weeks ... the four hold-outs are saying, "Gosh! We can leave if you don't charge us"

[lindysalsagal]

66. They finally wanted to leave when they were surrounded...

The rest of us wanted them to leave as soon as they got there, and all of the time they were free to come and go.

This is a classic case of a toddler temper tantrum, baiting the parents to set limits so they can challenge them.

Grow the hell up, children!