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nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:55 AM Jan 2016

The real threat to abortion in Florida isn't an all-out ban



The real threat to abortion in Florida isn't an all-out ban
The Florida Squeeze | Brook Hines | nashville_brook

http://thefloridasqueeze.com/2016/01/30/the-real-threat-to-abortion-in-florida-isnt-an-all-out-ban/



HB 865, the all-out ban on abortion attracted national media attention this week, but this bill won’t end abortion in Florida. It’s a distraction.

Instead, what’s more likely to end abortion services in Florida this session are so-called TRAP bills that threaten to close any number of the 65 abortion clinics in Florida, 16 of which are affiliated with Planned Parenthood.

TRAP stands for “targeted regulation of abortion providers.” Feigning concern that abortion should be “safe,” Republicans push TRAP bills that require facilities offering abortion services to be as fully equipped as mini-hospitals — which effectively puts them out of business. This is the exact same kind of legislation that Wendy Davis filibustered, when she donned pink sneakers and spoke for 13 hours, in the Texas state house. Unfortunately, the Texas GOP prevailed, and the number of clinics serving the Lone Star State has been reduced from 36 to just six.

The stalking horse bill, HB 865 is clearly unconstitutional, but it sailed through committee, and the media took the bait and reported breathlessly on this worthless piece of paper while the real threats — the TRAP bills — were barely mentioned.

If you’re wondering how abortion politics became so abysmal as to nurture an all-out ban to advance in the Florida legislature, look no further than the Clinton era for answers. We were hoodwinked then, and it’s happening again. The Clinton-era mantra that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare,” wasn’t just condescending, it was bad strategy. It set us up for the defeat in Texas, as well as the massacre we could possibly face here in Florida.

"Rare" suggests there's an ideal, low number of abortions that should be performed. This is bad medicine. If we're to have a modern women's healthcare system, there’s no ideal number of abortions, same as there’s no ideal number of heart operations. To suggest otherwise is a shaming tactic aimed to position women as morally inferior vis-a-vis managing the size and timing of their family planning. There’s no “good” or “bad” abortion. Nor is there a “deserving” or “undeserving” woman who seeks one. There’s only craven politicians who trade our interests for political gain.

As if "safe, legal and rare" weren't bad enough, in 2005, Hillary Clinton referred to abortion as a “sad, tragic choice to many, many women.” The political calculus, I suppose, was that the "heart liberal and head conservative" could wag her finger at loose women with the best of them. In the same speech, Hillary also suggested that abortion advocates and foes alike, should team-up to teach sex education that includes both emergency contraception and abstinence-only counseling. I'm sure this messaging was polled and focus-grouped, but it sure wasn't reality checked. Instead of reaching out to Planned Parenthood in some kind of teaching moment, abortion opponents assassinated Dr. Richard Tiller on Sunday, May 31, 2009, in his church. It was an act of terrorism in the war on women that has yet to be fully digested.

Politicians on our side of the debate all too often fail to appreciate that for many conservatives, the war on women is about punishing women for having "sex without consequence." Conservatives will never partner with liberals to reduce unwanted pregnancies. Their goal is punitive, not cooperative. As citizens believing we live in an Enlightenment-driven Democracy, women have expected the law to mediate on our behalf against the tyranny of religion, misogynists and abusers. Instead, the war on women has been lost one compromise at a time. It's taken us a while to realize this.



TRAP bills masquerade as serving the “health and welfare of women.” They feed off of the Clintonian rhetoric that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare,” by pretending to be about safety and women’s health, when in fact they have only one goal: to shut down women’s health clinics.

We know the Republicans filing these bills don’t care about women’s health. What they care about are votes in what’s expected to be a rough year for them with redistricting. These bills are designed to appeal to Republican base voters who will vote in down-ballot races for anti-abortion zealots, come hell or high water.

It's infuriating that 20 years of capitulation and triangulation has brought us to a point where we’re gee-gawing at all-out bans on abortion, instead of participating a modern healthcare system that affords privacy and dignity to women seeking reproductive services. I’m sick to death of having the same debate about women’s healthcare year after year. Losing “ground” means that women pay with their lives. This isn't just politics. This is real life.

The Democratic Party has betrayed women repeatedly on this issue, and the “progressive establishment” continues to enable the sellout. Digging into this material serves to remind me of how not-on-same-page we are with most of the people we help elect. We keep sending them to Washington and Tallahassee, with our mid-20th century ideals of "leadership," where they're supposed fight for the values they ran on.

Instead, what really happens is they horse-trade our interests away in political transactions, and act surprised that we'd expect otherwise. Reproductive rights have been far from sacrosanct to Democrats. Plenty of Dems, like Sen. Darren Soto (Conservadem running for Congress in D-9 against Progressive Democrat Susannah Randolph), are eager to cut deals with religious Domionist-types who seek to punish women for having sex "without consequences." Maybe there's a rational reason. Perhaps these Dems have used the VAN to identify blocks of "voters who think women are dirty." I just always assumed those people were Republicans.

Back in the heady Clintonian days of yore, we expected that efficient New Dem leadership would put the issue to rest with swift and sturdy legislation. Pharmaceuticals would replace first trimester surgeries, affording doctor-patient privacy that would put the protestor-terrorist complex out of business. As a young woman I was sure that things were only getting better. We were making progress!

Oh, how naive we were. Not only did the promise of RU-486 fizzle out, but the triangulation of Clinton-era Democrats brought about some of the worst capitulations on reproductive rights in the form of legislating what is acceptable medical practice.

The Clinton model of posturing on abortion has always been to appear to support a woman’s “right to choose,” and then negotiate a “middle ground.” It’s been recently reported that in 1997, on abortion Bill Clinton complained, “I believe that if you can’t make up your mind in the first six months, you don’t have the right to have an abortion." As if late-term abortion was ever a matter of whim. This was after he vetoed the Partial Birth Abortion ban, because he resented having to expend political capital in the veto, and he resented even more, he said, that abortion rights proponents “had framed the question of late-term abortion selfishly, by putting it in terms of a woman’s right to do whatever she wanted." As I said, this isn't just politics, and his attitude here provides insight into how we lost so much ground 20 years ago. Simply put: we didn't have a leader on our side in Bill Clinton. We had a transactionalist.

The “progressive establishment” made a fatal miscalculation when they took pressure off Bill Clinton, because in doing so they empowered him to put the focus on making abortion “rare,” with new restrictions such as parental notifications and waiting periods that left the progressive base wondering what the hell had happened. How did we lose more ground under a Democratic administration than under a Republican? Betrayal, capitulation, and triangulation, that’s how.

It’s 2016 and I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that “progressive establishment” groups claiming to speak for women are making the same mistakes they made in the 90s. By endorsing Hillary Clinton without seeking input from membership, NARAL and Planned Parenthood have shown their willingness to settle for more middle ground, more “safe, legal and rare,” and more political losses that will create truly sad, tragic circumstances for women.

Here’s a thought. Abortion on demand, without apology. We’re not going back, because we can't afford your middle ground compromises that put women’s health and economic lives behind the political aspirations of the Tracy Flicks of our party. We’ve seen where this gets us, and it's nothing short of a TRAP.

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The real threat to abortion in Florida isn't an all-out ban (Original Post) nashville_brook Jan 2016 OP
Death by a thousand cuts. The "right to life" movement makes all kinds of noise bullwinkle428 Jan 2016 #1
they have no interest in overturning Roe. they're achieving their goal w/o it. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #23
+++ "Rare" framing led us directly into these TRAPS. DirkGently Jan 2016 #2
gee nothing is ever the GOP's fault it is always the Clenis dsc Jan 2016 #3
TRAP laws and sellout "rare" framing are at fault. DirkGently Jan 2016 #4
yes it would be much better if we had a billion unplanned pregnancies a year dsc Jan 2016 #5
Would barriers to heart surgery reduce the need for them? DirkGently Jan 2016 #6
No but as someone whose dad had his first bypass at age 46 dsc Jan 2016 #10
So show me the vast numbers of abortions in Oregon. jeff47 Jan 2016 #13
I didn't say we needed regulation dsc Jan 2016 #17
actually, HRC has done more than most to ensure that regulations/restrictions happened nashville_brook Jan 2016 #21
that is utter bullshit dsc Jan 2016 #22
it' not a "hater's club" -- it's the truth, and you can ignore it if you like. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #24
sorry dsc Jan 2016 #26
there's no quotes from those sources. but, feel free to cast aspersions. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #27
that was my reference to du being the Hillary hating club dsc Jan 2016 #28
take responsibility or not. it won't change the truth of the matter. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #29
"Rare" is how you line up votes for chipping away at abortion rights. jeff47 Jan 2016 #32
You are obtuse. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #8
Great post awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #7
Exactly. We're not dealing with DirkGently Jan 2016 #9
compromise, in this arena, has led to the destruction of women's lives. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #25
Agreed. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #30
+++ a million. In this context, this type of compromise = appeasement = death. DirkGently Jan 2016 #34
"Safe, legal and rare" is not just a "Clinton-era mantra". Obama has said it too. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #11
And it was just as wrong when he said it. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #12
Plenty of us support "safe, legal, and rare". Odin2005 Jan 2016 #20
Because "safe and legal" is terrible? jeff47 Jan 2016 #31
It started in the Clinton era of triangulation. DirkGently Jan 2016 #14
I like "safe, legal, accessible and rare". Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #15
The need is never going to go away. DirkGently Jan 2016 #16
Why put "rare" in when it's a natural outcome? jeff47 Feb 2016 #37
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #18
I think one issue is that we Millennials have no memory of the world before Roe v. Wade. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #19
The problem is that "rare" was the wrong word. haele Jan 2016 #33
Yes, how dare some people have ethical qualms with abortion! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #35
No, ethical qualms not acted on other than by the person who has them are morals. haele Jan 2016 #36

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
1. Death by a thousand cuts. The "right to life" movement makes all kinds of noise
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jan 2016

about overturning Roe vs. Wade, but they're actually making genuine strides in that direction by chipping away at state laws little by little. This is really a win-win for them, as an actual overturning of Roe vs. Wade would take away one of the Right's biggest fundraising memes.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
23. they have no interest in overturning Roe. they're achieving their goal w/o it.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jan 2016

and you're absolutely correct, as long as Roe stands they'll fundraise on it. but as long as they continue to win these battles, they'll also be able to fundraise as victors.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
2. +++ "Rare" framing led us directly into these TRAPS.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jan 2016
What’s really at issue in Douthat’s column is the perils of accepting the right-wing frame when constructing liberal positions. By unilaterally presenting abortion as a very bad thing in the 1990s, the message mavens of the Clinton administration, with their construction of “safe, legal and rare,” gave abortion opponents a rhetorical rationale for piling on restrictions that, in many states, make abortion inaccessible to increasing numbers of women — despite the fact that the Supreme Court decided decades ago that their right to the procedure is protected by the Constitution.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_02/breaking_where_abortion_is_ava035510.php

dsc

(52,162 posts)
5. yes it would be much better if we had a billion unplanned pregnancies a year
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jan 2016

maybe we should ban birth control so we can have more of them and thus more abortions.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
6. Would barriers to heart surgery reduce the need for them?
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jan 2016

Medical procedures aren't "tragic," and don't need to be "rare." The "rare" framing begins with the false premise that there is something wrong with women getting the reproductive care they need.

But "safe, legal and rare" is not a framework that supports women's health needs: it stigmatizes and endangers it.

In a 2010 research article, Dr Tracy Weitz, Director of Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health (ANSIRH) program at the University of California, San Francisco, wrote that "rare suggests that abortion is happening more than it should, and that there are some conditions for which abortions should and should not occur".

"It separates 'good' abortions from 'bad' abortions", she added.

Steph Herold, the deputy director of the Sea Change Program – an organization that seeks to create a culture change around abortion and other stigmatized reproductive experiences like miscarriage and adoption – agrees. "It implies that abortion is somehow different than other parts of healthcare," she told me. "We don't say that any other medical procedure should be rare."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/09/hillary-clinton-abortion-legal-but-rare

dsc

(52,162 posts)
10. No but as someone whose dad had his first bypass at age 46
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jan 2016

and who recently lost him at thankfully a much older age but still from a bad heart, I wish we had treated smoking when he was young like it is being treated now. heart bypasses should be rare. and yes needing one at age 46 is tragic. We have way more heart bypasses in this country than we should due to people smoking, eating etc. Similarly we have way more abortions in this country that we should because of people taking seriously the rantings of the spawn of Palin and other deluded nuts. Abortion should be rare and so should heart bypasses.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. So show me the vast numbers of abortions in Oregon.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

Oregon is the only state with zero abortion regulations.

So show me all the horrific, 8th month abortions in Oregon that we need to prevent through legislation.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
17. I didn't say we needed regulation
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jan 2016

neither, for that matter did Hillary. But what both of us said is that abortion should be rare.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
22. that is utter bullshit
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jan 2016

I know that this board has become the Hillary haters club but it does get a bit old to blame her for what the GOP is doing.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
24. it' not a "hater's club" -- it's the truth, and you can ignore it if you like.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jan 2016

but it won't make it go away.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
26. sorry
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

but people who quote Limbaugh, Mukasey, the National Review, Castelanos, and others are haters and nothing but. It is nothing short of delusional to blame Hillary for abortion regulations, it is bullshit, delusional and frankly hate.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
28. that was my reference to du being the Hillary hating club
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jan 2016

and yes that is what DU has become. But again, blaming Hillary for abortion regulation instead of Oh I don't know maybe the Republicans who have actually passed said regulations seems pretty delusional to me. It reminds me of when someone says or does something violently anti gay and we get thread after thread saying oh that person is just gay himself since we all know straight people can do no wrong.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
29. take responsibility or not. it won't change the truth of the matter.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jan 2016

Democrats didn't have our backs, and the "progressive establishment" failed to hold an "ally" accountable which allowed for restrictions that couldn't get passed under prior Republican administrations.

these are the facts.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
32. "Rare" is how you line up votes for chipping away at abortion rights.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:27 AM
Jan 2016

28 weeks....well, 26 is not that different....Ok 24.....

There is no need to pre-compromise with "rare" if you actually trust women.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
34. +++ a million. In this context, this type of compromise = appeasement = death.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jan 2016

It shouldn't. We should all be able to talk to each other in reasonable ways and come to reasonable understandings.

But we are not dealing with reasonable. We are dealing with people who rage about women having "sex without consequence" and publish doctors' addresses and movements so they can be shot to death.

We are dealing with a virtual ban in numerous states, and no sign of reasonableness on the part of anti-abortion activists anywhere on the horizon.

There is no way to recognize the "ethical concerns" of a movement whose end game is this:

Woman dies after abortion request 'refused' at Galway hospital

The husband of a pregnant woman who died in an Irish hospital has said he has no doubt she would be alive if she had been allowed an abortion.

Savita Halappanavar's family said she asked several times for her pregnancy to be terminated because she had severe back pain and was miscarrying.

Her husband told the BBC that it was refused because there was a foetal heartbeat.
Ms Halappanavar's death, on 28 October, is the subject of two investigations.

An autopsy carried out two days after her death found she had died from septicaemia, according to the Irish Times.
Ms Halappanavar, who was 31 and originally from India, was a dentist.
Praveen Halappanavar said staff at University Hospital Galway told them Ireland was "a Catholic country".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
11. "Safe, legal and rare" is not just a "Clinton-era mantra". Obama has said it too.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.lifenews.com/2010/09/28/nat-6734/

Obama said today he thinks abortion should be "safe, legal and rare" in America and he said families, not the government, "should be the ones making the decision."


DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
14. It started in the Clinton era of triangulation.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

And look where it has taken us.

What’s really at issue in Douthat’s column is the perils of accepting the right-wing frame when constructing liberal positions. By unilaterally presenting abortion as a very bad thing in the 1990s, the message mavens of the Clinton administration, with their construction of “safe, legal and rare,” gave abortion opponents a rhetorical rationale for piling on restrictions that, in many states, make abortion inaccessible to increasing numbers of women — despite the fact that the Supreme Court decided decades ago that their right to the procedure is protected by the Constitution.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_02/breaking_where_abortion_is_ava035510.php

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
15. I like "safe, legal, accessible and rare".
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

"Rare" because with good sex education and accessible contraception, abortion would indeed be rare. Having said that it should be accessible to any woman who wants one, and these tricks being used by the Republicans in some states to shut down abortion clinics while pretending to be concerned about safety are despicable.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
16. The need is never going to go away.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

In countries where good sex education and contraception are readily available, abortion continues to be utilized and needed. In some years the rate goes up; in others it goes down. Teenage abortion rates go down with better education, but adult women continue to need them.

And the "rare" formulation feeds the rightwing idea that there is something wrong with it, and the ideal number would be zero. They propose there is a moral hazard in women doing what they deem fit with their bodies. To me it's another flavor of the pretend "concern" behind these TRAP laws.

Birth control will always be less than completely effective. Rape and child abuse will always happen. Individual health concerns will always require women to be able to make the decision to end pregnancy. It's not "sad and tragic" or a "necessary evil." It's health care.

So why support the idea we should be equally concerned with getting rid of something that will always be necessary?

But it’s also worth reiterating, as Adele Stan did this weekend and reproductive rights activists have been saying for years, that if you’re more than nominally pro-choice, you cede important ground by embracing the “safe, legal and rare” formulation that Douthat cited as a consensus. As the National Network of Abortion Funds tweeted, “Let’s reject ‘rare.’ If abortions are legal & accessible, number of abortions performed should = exactly the number of abortions necessary.” [/b Contrast the following data points — the 87 percent of U.S. counties that lack an abortion provider, the financial barriers that right-wingers would like to increase with insurance bans, and the significant stigma around abortion — with the fact that almost half of all pregnancies are unintended. Suddenly, “rare” becomes more about a lack of real choice rather than choosing from an abundance of options. If, as a matter of public health policy, we are doing a terrible job of preventing unintended pregnancies, and some women want abortions and can’t have them, then the current rate is too low.

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/21/debunking_the_rights_contraception_myths/

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
37. Why put "rare" in when it's a natural outcome?
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:15 PM
Feb 2016

There's no need to push for "rare" when it's the natural outcome of good sex education and accessible contraception.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
19. I think one issue is that we Millennials have no memory of the world before Roe v. Wade.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jan 2016

I know a lot of otherwise liberal Millennials who are uncomfortable with abortion for ethical reasons and who don't understand that the alternative is lots of women dying from illegal abortions.

And to be honest I am disgusted by the utter hated shown by some activists, as shown in the OP, to those of us who hold to the "safe, legal, and rare" concept.

haele

(12,659 posts)
33. The problem is that "rare" was the wrong word.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:08 AM
Jan 2016

I understand why that word is used. It's "bumper sticker" politics.
Both Safe and Legal are implicit in Roe V. Wade. But Roe v. Wade does not look at abortion as birth control, or that choice to abort a pregnancy that does not have a medical basis need be protected.
Abortion is a medical procedure.
As a friend of mine who is a lawyer that works with policy issues indicates, the use of the word "rare" by someone when discussing abortion policy will indicate that choice does not need to be a legal consideration when regulating abortion as a medical procedure, either for funding, medical licensing, etc...

Rare would be used in the context that either abortion is only to be used as an emergency procedure- in cases of the mother's health or fetal viability, or "that the law can still regulate abortion due to the way the law defines for whom abortion can be "safe", no matter the non-medical needs of the woman who finds herself pregnant.

Available is the word that should have been used. However, that cuts too close to the conservative trope that "Abortion is a moral hazard used exclusively as birth control by the unmarried or adulterous sexually active" (totally ignoring the fact that surgery is much more expensive than contraception, whether prescribed or emergency). What liberals forget is that conservatives would be hypocritically happy to get rid of Griswold as well as Roe, because Sex is for Procreation within Marriage. They see the choice component of "Pro Choice" in having sex, and all birth control being unnatural, because (and I've heard this argument over and over) "it's unnatural and punishes the baby if you decide not to go through with the pregnancy, because you wouldn't have had sex if you didn't want to be pregnant". And of course, getting married implies you are ready to start popping babies out and chose the man to father your children, and it's unnatural not to get pregnant soon after the wedding.

This is what rare means. It means abortion should only be available if there is a medical or legal necessity - primarily, back to the days of "therapeutic abortions" due to the health of the mother, and if the fetus is non-viable or the possibility of death and other children to consider. Maybe some legal compassion to those who became pregnant because they were not capable of consenting to sex that resulted in a pregnancy.

Including "rare" shows that ultimately, it doesn't matter what the woman wants, it only matters that the procedure is available, so long as it's safe and legal. Rare means that if there are legal restrictions based on some form of codified "health standard" (whether valid or not) on a woman's ability choose to have an abortion, it's all okay, because she can still have the legal medical procedure if her need to have one falls within the threshold for access to one.

I used to think "Safe, Legal, and Rare" also. But that's because I never needed one, so I wasn't paying a lot of attention. That was, until my step-daughter started becoming sexually active. And I realized how much more difficult it is for women to find an abortion provider if they want to, not to mention how much more difficult it is becoming to find affordable complete gynecological services in general.

Haele

haele

(12,659 posts)
36. No, ethical qualms not acted on other than by the person who has them are morals.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jan 2016

I have personal ethical qualms about a lot of actions, also. And I have a right to make choices based on my personal ethics. They are my moral compass, and if I do something against my personal ethics, or force my personal ethics onto someone else, that is a moral hazard. The latter, forcing my personal ethics onto someone else, is an ethical situation, because I am impacting someone else's situation.

Morals do not equal ethics - they are a subjective condition within ethics, and they do not have binding legal status, according to the four ethics classes I've taken over the past couple years.

But if I were to use my personal moral compass, used my personal ethical qualms to legislate the standard and access to a procedure rather than using (in this case) science and secular law, then I am actually being anti-ethical in a legal sense.

There are two issues here: Fighting the legality of having a choice to have an abortion, and fighting the procedure of abortion to limit the ability for someone to have one if they want or need one.

In the case of Abortion, by supporting social opinion based legal (but medically un-necessary) restrictions either to the procedure or to how/when a woman can access an abortion, I've limited someone else's legal choices to access a legal medical procedure due to my personal judgments or opinion of their lifestyle without understanding the basis or the reasons of their choice.
By putting up specious roadblocks to force them into actions that I approve of, I've suborned their experiences and legal status to my own.
Abortion is a tool to deal with the symptom of an untenable pregnancy. Note that the pregnancy is untenable, not non-viable. The woman is not ready or capable of continuing with the pregnancy, whether it is due to an environmental situation (finances, emotional, or otherwise), or a medical situation. Just because 2- 5% of women in that situation casually choose abortion because they were not careful and just want to get rid of the situation rather than dealing with their personal morals doesn't give society a right to limit access to the final tool to all other women because "it's too easy to have one". Yeah, right - birth control and abstinence are much cheaper than abortion.
Ethically, can one argue against abortion without putting one's personal religion or opinions above the religion, opinion, or situational condition of the person who desires both the choice and the access?
It is of the best interest of society for a parent or parents to bear and raise children when they are ready, not just because a pregnancy occurs.

In three different social ethics models I've run, the actual ethical consideration for children only comes into effect in that model once that child is born and able to function or affect the world around him or her.
Prior to that, no matter how we want to feel about the situation, an unborn "child" is basically an ethical remora, with no standing of its own, living off the host mother until s/he is able to become viable leave the uterus.
If one puts a value on the fetus above that of the host, then one basically is indicating that all women who find themselves pregnant automatically loses all rights.
If one says "okay, - Safe, Legal, and Rare, it is...we'll let the procedure be legally available in certain limited circumstances, but you have to prove you really need it, that you really thought about it, and that you can afford it...", is it because one believes the procedure is not really ever a medical necessity, or that the woman's personal choice is negligible?

It's not a "F-you" to people who have personal ethical qualms. Y'know, if you don't like abortion, don't have one.
But growing up, I had a neighbor who died due to pregnancy complications, leaving a husband and two young children because even if she had the choice, she was denied access to one. I also know a woman who had three abortions before she had her first child, and two more in between that one and her second.
Do I have the right to judge in which situation, abortion should have been allowed? Do I agree to limitations to access to abortion that are based on my feelings over medical necessity?
Are either of these positions I am making that affect others ethically based, or based on my personal morals?

People who claim ethical qualms need to think beyond their personal feelings for their qualms to actually be ethical.

Haele

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