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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:57 PM Feb 2016

Why Is My Kindergartner Being Groomed for the Military at School?

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34693-why-is-my-kindergartner-being-groomed-for-the-military-at-school

When he got home from Iraq, Hart Viges began sorting through his boyhood toys, looking for some he could pass on to his new baby nephew. He found a stash of G.I. Joes - his old favorites - and the memories came flooding back.

"I thought about giving them to him," he said. But the pressures of a year in a war zone had strengthened Viges' Christian faith, and he told the Army that "if I loved my enemy I couldn't see killing them, for any reason." He left as a conscientious objector. As for the G.I. Joes, "I threw them away instead." Viges had grown up playing dress-up with his father's, grandfather's and uncles' old military uniforms. "What we tell small kids has such a huge effect," he told Truthout. "I didn't want to be the one telling him to dream about the military."

As the mother of a 6-year-old, I know what he means. My partner and I, as longtime antiwar activists, work hard to talk to our daughter about war, violence and peace in age-appropriate ways.

That's why we were shocked this November when, shortly after Veterans Day, our daughter came home from kindergarten with a worksheet that asked the children to decide which branch of the military they would like to join. The class had been working on charts in math class, taking polls and graphing the results, which usually fell more along the lines of what flavors of pie they preferred.




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Why Is My Kindergartner Being Groomed for the Military at School? (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
I see nothing wrong with this. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #1
I would agree. They're teaching math, and using Veterans Day as a current events theme. n/t Calista241 Feb 2016 #3
But the issue here is that the kids are being asked directly SheilaT Feb 2016 #5
Hypothetical. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #8
One does not need to be perpetually outraged SheilaT Feb 2016 #14
Because Veteran's Day has dick to do with colors. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #15
1 percent join. Not a big deal. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #27
At some point they were probably also asked what they wanted to do... brooklynite Feb 2016 #29
I dont either AwakeAtLast Feb 2016 #42
This is just a little hyperbolic. Throd Feb 2016 #2
More like "pearl clutching" NT 1939 Feb 2016 #7
'Those who 'abjure' violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.' TipTok Feb 2016 #4
Can you provide some context for your quote? Human101948 Feb 2016 #10
I wouldn't say 'glorifying'.... TipTok Feb 2016 #12
Where does the quote come from? Human101948 Feb 2016 #13
Orwell... TipTok Feb 2016 #16
Warriors have to be willing to die for their beliefs... Human101948 Feb 2016 #17
There's never any guarantee... TipTok Feb 2016 #24
We could have half the military we have now and be just as secure... Human101948 Feb 2016 #33
Maybe... TipTok Feb 2016 #35
I have no problem with a military that protects American citizens and the Constitution. Maedhros Feb 2016 #34
Absolutely agree the military is an instrument of worldwide corporate enforcement and intimidation Human101948 Feb 2016 #38
warriors die for their beliefs gladium et scutum Feb 2016 #43
The real issue is not enough picked the Navy hack89 Feb 2016 #6
Republican Stepdad would agree with you. KamaAina Feb 2016 #11
Haven't they seen Destroyermen? hardluck Feb 2016 #23
LOL, it is HUGH! If you click on the truthy link she then goes on and on with her rant snooper2 Feb 2016 #9
It's not this one piece of propaganda, it's an entire subtle campaign that lasts years. mwrguy Feb 2016 #25
Where is Conscientious Objector on the list? k8conant Feb 2016 #18
Oh FFS. Use it as a teachable moment to discuss your viewpoint with your own kid. cyberswede Feb 2016 #19
WTF is wrong with the Navy? Glassunion Feb 2016 #20
Meh. "Coast guard" is a pretty innocuous option for those who hate violence (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #21
It's also the service you're most likely to get injured or killed in jmowreader Feb 2016 #30
And it is the most noble of the bunch awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #44
Someone's gotta teach the little ones about things gratuitous Feb 2016 #22
Is national guard part of the military? I saw coast guard on the list Person 2713 Feb 2016 #26
That seems like fairly complex work for kindergarten. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #28
There are lots of graphs on standardized tests so these days gollygee Feb 2016 #36
That's not a kindergarten worksheet. Maybe 2nd grade minimum but not K. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #31
You want them to have a job when they get out of school. Downwinder Feb 2016 #32
Ad for kids (during Vietnam): War is the "greatest fun you ever had" ! GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #37
I think it is funny about GI Joe hfojvt Feb 2016 #41
Yep, my kindergartener suddenly decided he wanted to join the military prayin4rain Feb 2016 #39
I can't be a terrorist? Shit. hunter Feb 2016 #40
The premise is,"If you were in the military, which branch..." aikoaiko Feb 2016 #45
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
1. I see nothing wrong with this.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:00 PM
Feb 2016

Learning to tally and graph, while using Veteran's Day as a theme. It's called learning.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. But the issue here is that the kids are being asked directly
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

to choose a branch of the military to join.

There are a lot of other things the kids could have been asked to choose from. Plus, there was not a "none of the above" choice.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
14. One does not need to be perpetually outraged
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

to be a bit bothered by this. Why not let kids pick their favorite color? Or sort the kids by the color of the shirt they're wearing that day? Admittedly, that last one wouldn't work very well if there's a school uniform.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
15. Because Veteran's Day has dick to do with colors.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

It's about our Veterans (ie, people who served in the US Armed Forces).

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
29. At some point they were probably also asked what they wanted to do...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

...when they grew up. Equally inconsequential.

AwakeAtLast

(14,130 posts)
42. I dont either
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016

The military is an occupation, so they are touching on careers, math inter form of graphing, critical thinking. All of these are great for K students.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
4. 'Those who 'abjure' violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.'
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

I see nothing wrong with this...

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
10. Can you provide some context for your quote?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:16 PM
Feb 2016

It seems to be glorifying violence and saying that any pacifism is a charade.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
12. I wouldn't say 'glorifying'....
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

I would suggest that it speaks to the reality that some violence will always be necessary and those who choose not to employ it only have that choice because someone else is providing it on their behalf.

Pacifism can't exist without the warrior...

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
13. Where does the quote come from?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

Of course pacifism can exist without the warrior. Your quote makes the assumption that pacifists are unwilling to die for their beliefs.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
16. Orwell...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

Who cares if they are willing to die for their beliefs? Anyone silly enough to let themselves be run through so as to not raise a hand isn't worthy of consideration.

Folks in the modern western world (and other places) have that choice because there is force acting on their behalf.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
17. Warriors have to be willing to die for their beliefs...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

You make the assumption that you are going to be the victor. You may end up face down, dead and defeated just as a silly pacifist.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
24. There's never any guarantee...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

... And many of the greatest gains ever made were possible through an enormous cost in blood.

That is totally different than standing arms open to get a knife in your guts.

If every inkling of force in the US dissappeared tomorrow and an enemy showed at the gates, I wonder if he would just meekly die along with that kindergartener because he couldnt stand to take a life 'for any reaaon'

Either he is a hypocrite or a shit father.

As it stands, he has that choice and likely won't have to find out because all those forces do exist to the point that an invading Army in America is laughable.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
33. We could have half the military we have now and be just as secure...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

And are you really that frightened of the world around you?

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
35. Maybe...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure some folks will make that argument.

That doesn't change the basic premise though. Mr. Viges has the ability to choose to 'never kill an enemy, for any reason' because that force does exist and acts on his behalf.

You suggest that half would be enough. Ok, it's still enough to allow him to choose pacifism and if it were to drop to an ineffective level or cease to exist then he wouldn't have the luxury of that choice.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
34. I have no problem with a military that protects American citizens and the Constitution.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:33 PM
Feb 2016

The problem is that our military hasn't done that since 1945 (arguably 1952).

Our military is Corporate America's mercenary army, and it fights for them and not us. In that context I find offensive the indoctrination of our children to revere and idolize the military.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
38. Absolutely agree the military is an instrument of worldwide corporate enforcement and intimidation
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:52 PM
Feb 2016

Of course military force has been used since the beginning of history to steal resources from other groups and countries.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. Republican Stepdad would agree with you.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

When he and Mom visited me in Hawai'i, we did the whole Pearl Harbor thing. He proceeded to give me an outstanding docent tour of the Mighty Mo. Afterward I asked him what rank he held. He replied, "I never served." But the two of them were married in Annapolis and follow Navy football. Oh, and the spare room I stay in has an entire bookcase of military history books. It can be quite unnerving to wake up surrounded by books about Nazi Germany!

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
9. LOL, it is HUGH! If you click on the truthy link she then goes on and on with her rant
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

Kid would have forgotten about the assignment after a couple hours

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
25. It's not this one piece of propaganda, it's an entire subtle campaign that lasts years.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:37 PM
Feb 2016

These things add up and help form opinion.

k8conant

(3,030 posts)
18. Where is Conscientious Objector on the list?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:44 PM
Feb 2016

Heck, we don't need the military anymore since we long ago fought the "War to end all Wars".

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
19. Oh FFS. Use it as a teachable moment to discuss your viewpoint with your own kid.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016

We can't make the world be devoid of things we disagree with. We need to teach our kids to have critical thinking skills.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
44. And it is the most noble of the bunch
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:52 AM
Feb 2016

When the weather gets bad (read hurricanes) the navy diverts. The Coast Guard is out in the mess, saving lives.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. Someone's gotta teach the little ones about things
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

It's going to be the parents or it's going to be society. There will be a LOT of voices telling you it's harmless and no big deal. If that's the case, then why do it at all? The truth of the matter is that our society is geared toward militarism in a way that would make Sparta blush - take a look at the cute little military person on the heading on the paper.

If you're not sure what you can do about it, there's an organization called Stop Recruiting Kids with a lot of useful information about the military and its effect on our country and on the world:

http://srkcampaign.org/

This is indeed a teachable moment; perhaps not in the way that the dominant military paradigm would like, however. Schedule a time to talk with teachers and administrators at your school. Come prepared to impart information and provide alternatives.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
36. There are lots of graphs on standardized tests so these days
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

There are lots of graphing exercises in kindergarten and 1st grade.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
31. That's not a kindergarten worksheet. Maybe 2nd grade minimum but not K.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

I don't see the exercise as problematic except that using it in this wayseems to be rabble rousing.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
32. You want them to have a job when they get out of school.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

Have to start conditioning early.

How many industries are left that are not defense related?

Six out of seven candidates for President are talking war.

We have posts about universal draft.

The country has become a war machine. The future is being a veteran or taking care of veterans.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
37. Ad for kids (during Vietnam): War is the "greatest fun you ever had" !
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

First time I heard this, it sounded like the kid says "Horrific battle" at :18



hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
41. I think it is funny about GI Joe
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

I had a GI Joe and my brother had two (plus some scuba equipment and an octopus). I was born in 1962 and my brother in 1965.

Our GIs though, they never did too much fighting, certainly they were not part of an army. Truthfully I cannot even remember what they did, maybe wrestled a stuffed bear (or fought with the dreaded octopus). Even the storybook though. The scuba equipment had a booklet with a story in it called "Air for life" in which Joe heroically uses his scuba gear to bring air tanks to people trapped in a cave. Nothing to do with war at all.

Later the phrase 'air for life' became our standard fart joke.

My only other memory is the time we tied Joe to our jump ropes and swung him around over our heads. We did that once and then parachuted them over to the lilacs and then did it again. I thought my brother would have enough sense not to bounce him off the ground, but I happened to look over as Joe hit the ground, and bounced again - and then his head broke off and all his arms and legs fell off. Funniest thing I ever saw.

Joe got hid under my bed for a while so we would not get in trouble for destroying our expensive toys. Later I actually managed to put him back together using a spring and some other pieces. Later still the spring rusted and he fell apart again while my sisters were using him as another Ken doll in Barbie world.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
39. Yep, my kindergartener suddenly decided he wanted to join the military
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:04 PM
Feb 2016

after starting school. It really pisses me off how they pass on a glorified image of the duties of a soldier to 5 year olds. Completely and totally inappropriate, in my opinion.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
45. The premise is,"If you were in the military, which branch..."
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

The question does not presume that kids will joining the military or "groom" them to do so.


This is utter anti-military crap. The problems of our military are caused by the leaders we elect.

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