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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy Is My Kindergartner Being Groomed for the Military at School?
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34693-why-is-my-kindergartner-being-groomed-for-the-military-at-school"I thought about giving them to him," he said. But the pressures of a year in a war zone had strengthened Viges' Christian faith, and he told the Army that "if I loved my enemy I couldn't see killing them, for any reason." He left as a conscientious objector. As for the G.I. Joes, "I threw them away instead." Viges had grown up playing dress-up with his father's, grandfather's and uncles' old military uniforms. "What we tell small kids has such a huge effect," he told Truthout. "I didn't want to be the one telling him to dream about the military."
As the mother of a 6-year-old, I know what he means. My partner and I, as longtime antiwar activists, work hard to talk to our daughter about war, violence and peace in age-appropriate ways.
That's why we were shocked this November when, shortly after Veterans Day, our daughter came home from kindergarten with a worksheet that asked the children to decide which branch of the military they would like to join. The class had been working on charts in math class, taking polls and graphing the results, which usually fell more along the lines of what flavors of pie they preferred.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Learning to tally and graph, while using Veteran's Day as a theme. It's called learning.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)to choose a branch of the military to join.
There are a lot of other things the kids could have been asked to choose from. Plus, there was not a "none of the above" choice.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)It's not nefarious. Then again, I'm not perpetually outraged.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)to be a bit bothered by this. Why not let kids pick their favorite color? Or sort the kids by the color of the shirt they're wearing that day? Admittedly, that last one wouldn't work very well if there's a school uniform.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)It's about our Veterans (ie, people who served in the US Armed Forces).
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)brooklynite
(94,592 posts)...when they grew up. Equally inconsequential.
AwakeAtLast
(14,130 posts)The military is an occupation, so they are touching on careers, math inter form of graphing, critical thinking. All of these are great for K students.
Throd
(7,208 posts)1939
(1,683 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)I see nothing wrong with this...
Human101948
(3,457 posts)It seems to be glorifying violence and saying that any pacifism is a charade.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I would suggest that it speaks to the reality that some violence will always be necessary and those who choose not to employ it only have that choice because someone else is providing it on their behalf.
Pacifism can't exist without the warrior...
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Of course pacifism can exist without the warrior. Your quote makes the assumption that pacifists are unwilling to die for their beliefs.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Who cares if they are willing to die for their beliefs? Anyone silly enough to let themselves be run through so as to not raise a hand isn't worthy of consideration.
Folks in the modern western world (and other places) have that choice because there is force acting on their behalf.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)You make the assumption that you are going to be the victor. You may end up face down, dead and defeated just as a silly pacifist.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... And many of the greatest gains ever made were possible through an enormous cost in blood.
That is totally different than standing arms open to get a knife in your guts.
If every inkling of force in the US dissappeared tomorrow and an enemy showed at the gates, I wonder if he would just meekly die along with that kindergartener because he couldnt stand to take a life 'for any reaaon'
Either he is a hypocrite or a shit father.
As it stands, he has that choice and likely won't have to find out because all those forces do exist to the point that an invading Army in America is laughable.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)And are you really that frightened of the world around you?
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I'm sure some folks will make that argument.
That doesn't change the basic premise though. Mr. Viges has the ability to choose to 'never kill an enemy, for any reason' because that force does exist and acts on his behalf.
You suggest that half would be enough. Ok, it's still enough to allow him to choose pacifism and if it were to drop to an ineffective level or cease to exist then he wouldn't have the luxury of that choice.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The problem is that our military hasn't done that since 1945 (arguably 1952).
Our military is Corporate America's mercenary army, and it fights for them and not us. In that context I find offensive the indoctrination of our children to revere and idolize the military.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Of course military force has been used since the beginning of history to steal resources from other groups and countries.
gladium et scutum
(808 posts)Soldiers die following their orders.
hack89
(39,171 posts)What kind of education are those kids getting?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)When he and Mom visited me in Hawai'i, we did the whole Pearl Harbor thing. He proceeded to give me an outstanding docent tour of the Mighty Mo. Afterward I asked him what rank he held. He replied, "I never served." But the two of them were married in Annapolis and follow Navy football. Oh, and the spare room I stay in has an entire bookcase of military history books. It can be quite unnerving to wake up surrounded by books about Nazi Germany!
hardluck
(639 posts)Gotta love the 70s Navy...
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Kid would have forgotten about the assignment after a couple hours
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)These things add up and help form opinion.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)Heck, we don't need the military anymore since we long ago fought the "War to end all Wars".
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)We can't make the world be devoid of things we disagree with. We need to teach our kids to have critical thinking skills.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Damn kids these days...
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)jmowreader
(50,559 posts)The sea doesn't follow the Geneva Convention.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)When the weather gets bad (read hurricanes) the navy diverts. The Coast Guard is out in the mess, saving lives.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It's going to be the parents or it's going to be society. There will be a LOT of voices telling you it's harmless and no big deal. If that's the case, then why do it at all? The truth of the matter is that our society is geared toward militarism in a way that would make Sparta blush - take a look at the cute little military person on the heading on the paper.
If you're not sure what you can do about it, there's an organization called Stop Recruiting Kids with a lot of useful information about the military and its effect on our country and on the world:
http://srkcampaign.org/
This is indeed a teachable moment; perhaps not in the way that the dominant military paradigm would like, however. Schedule a time to talk with teachers and administrators at your school. Come prepared to impart information and provide alternatives.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Bluenorthwest
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)There are lots of graphing exercises in kindergarten and 1st grade.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)I don't see the exercise as problematic except that using it in this wayseems to be rabble rousing.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Have to start conditioning early.
How many industries are left that are not defense related?
Six out of seven candidates for President are talking war.
We have posts about universal draft.
The country has become a war machine. The future is being a veteran or taking care of veterans.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)First time I heard this, it sounded like the kid says "Horrific battle" at :18
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I had a GI Joe and my brother had two (plus some scuba equipment and an octopus). I was born in 1962 and my brother in 1965.
Our GIs though, they never did too much fighting, certainly they were not part of an army. Truthfully I cannot even remember what they did, maybe wrestled a stuffed bear (or fought with the dreaded octopus). Even the storybook though. The scuba equipment had a booklet with a story in it called "Air for life" in which Joe heroically uses his scuba gear to bring air tanks to people trapped in a cave. Nothing to do with war at all.
Later the phrase 'air for life' became our standard fart joke.
My only other memory is the time we tied Joe to our jump ropes and swung him around over our heads. We did that once and then parachuted them over to the lilacs and then did it again. I thought my brother would have enough sense not to bounce him off the ground, but I happened to look over as Joe hit the ground, and bounced again - and then his head broke off and all his arms and legs fell off. Funniest thing I ever saw.
Joe got hid under my bed for a while so we would not get in trouble for destroying our expensive toys. Later I actually managed to put him back together using a spring and some other pieces. Later still the spring rusted and he fell apart again while my sisters were using him as another Ken doll in Barbie world.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)after starting school. It really pisses me off how they pass on a glorified image of the duties of a soldier to 5 year olds. Completely and totally inappropriate, in my opinion.
hunter
(38,317 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)The question does not presume that kids will joining the military or "groom" them to do so.
This is utter anti-military crap. The problems of our military are caused by the leaders we elect.