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As one who was raised Catholic I knew several busy bodies like this women. Don't believe in birth control? Then don't use it.
Helen Alvaré has been leading Catholicism's fight against contraception
By Sarah Posner
Helen Alvaré (Credit: Aid for Women / CC BY 3.0)
Whats a conservative activist to do when Jon Stewart digs up a CNN clip thats more than a decade old in which she opines that Viagra fills a legitimate healthcare need but contraceptives do not?
In Helen Alvarés case, the answer is to own it. Alvaré, a law professor at George Mason University, an advisor to Pope Benedict XVIs Pontifical Council for the Laity, and a former spokesperson for and current advisor to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, used her Daily Show cameo as the starting point for a recent speech at the Franciscan University of Steubenville. The mockery of Jon Stewart was proof, Alvaré suggested, that sexual libertines dont understand the nature and purpose of sex, and that they certainly dont understand religious liberty. Because, she argued, Stewart and the government share the belief that sex is not related to procreation directly, intrinsically, axiomatically, they simply cannot comprehend the gravity of how contraception damages women.
Only with this view, Alvaré added, could a comedian or a government conclude that if a man has a condition that makes it difficult to procreate, thats not a medical problem. But if a woman is in a position where she can procreate, then she needs some medicine, and it better be free.
As the contraception mandate took center stage in national politics, Alvaré has seized the moment, not just to offer legal arguments against the mandate, but to position herself as a leader of women who are opposed to contraception. Three months ago, she co-authored an open letter to the Obama administration, Women Speak for Themselves, charging that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, by enacting public policy based on the science that contraception is essential healthcare, doesnt represent the views of all women.
http://www.salon.com/2012/06/03/birth_controls_worst_enemy/singleton/
tanyev
(42,568 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)but I doubt if it's more than that.
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OKNancy
(41,832 posts)They would only be free if your INSURANCE pays for it. Either you or your employer pay the premiums so either way, they are not free.
No different than when an antibiotic is offered free on some plans.
TBF
(32,067 posts)then they can preach all they want to anyone who will listen. I don't really care for them taking my tax dollars and use them to try to control my access to birth control. In fact, it really pisses me off.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)smoking and drinking. But that's what that sacred institution of medical insurance has the gall to make me do.
Enjoy your stay. We aren't libertarians or anti-tax unfettered free-marketeers here. Did you perhaps take a wrong turn somewhere?
ETA: I presume you are more than willing to pay 18 years of support for any unwanted children that ensue as a result of lack of affordable, accessible birth control. Because that is exactly what we taxpayers will wind up doing. And if they have problems that prevent them from becoming productive members of society, we'll pay for a lifetime.
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of an ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure? Or you'd just let the children starve?
intaglio
(8,170 posts)virgogal
(10,178 posts)about birth control. He said no,that I should take Valium to make it easier for me.
This was about 45 years ago---I walked out and never returned to the church.
I did have two more later,but it was my choice.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)they weren't in the U.S. but, yeah.
My ex mother-in-law (who I still like very much) had had a stillborn baby and her doctor said it was dangerous for her to get pregnant again.
Her priest told her, essentially, that she was a uterus and if god killed her b/c of pregnancy - tough shit.
Three of her four kids are atheists.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)the BIGGEST gripe with religion - with their small idea of god - their mean and hateful and spiteful god - is that they all call god "he."
This, to me, is the height of hubris.
If god is god - god is not male or female or any skin color or any other human attribute.
That so many women subject themselves to patriarchal views of god... well, honestly, to me it's like beating yourself over the head with a cast iron skillet because some "man" says he "loves you."
most people's gods are too small.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)in weddings - they still VOLUNTARILY drop their surnames and take their husband's surname - women do all kinds of ingrained paternalistic bullshit without REALLY thinking about it - it's so ingrained they think it is normal
RainDog
(28,784 posts)I think you need to go kick some ass. lol.
some people like tradition because it makes them feel connected - some people feel like history and its traditions are the nightmare from which they are trying to awaken (h/t to mr james joyce)
it seems to me, if people take someone's name - both parties should take one another's names. or keep it simple and keep yours.
some of my female religious family members wanted me to lie at the hospital and use my husband's name when our child was born so that people wouldn't think our baby was illegitimate.
I heard that and just thought... what the fuck is your problem? I'm supposed to care if a nurse who will never see me again thinks my baby is illegitimate... or think some child was not good enough even if it was?!?!?
not to mention that most women I knew also had not taken their husband's names and the mother of one of the women in my lamaze class was working on the floor...
but - really - women are their own worst enemies sometimes - as we see with this nutter in the OP and too many women who provide free labor for organizations that are dedicated to their oppression.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)why is a father's name more important than a mother's name????
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)that we need more women in politics and I agree, with one modifier--that they be advocates for women's rights, not for policies that increase women's suffering. Anyone not wishing to 'support women's contraception or family planning'--think about the suffering that will result from families who have no access to healthcare. If you can live with that, congratulations on your complete lack of empathy. But this is not what kind of country we want to live in!
Women's Suffrage--it's back.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Sure, she may speak for a few, but her opinion is most definitely way, way, way out there in the land of nutters.
Frankly, god has nothing to say about sex for me or for millions of other people - and for millions and millions more her "god" has nothing to say to them - their god has another opinion.
This is the sort of religious person I hate with a white hot fire.
If she wants to fuck for god's glory - go for it, idiot.
If others of us wish to not be total imbeciles and recognize that overpopulation is a serious issue for this planet and make responsible decisions based upon that - well, that doesn't make anyone a libertine. It's makes them someone who will NEVER be as fucked up as this woman.
Drale
(7,932 posts)stupid people have waaaaaaay to much time on their hands.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)what the fuck kind of twisted mind thinks like that???
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)healthcare, doesnt represent the views of all women...." Except for some women it IS essential healthcare!
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)What, like the 2% of Catholic women who don't use it?
blue neen
(12,322 posts)It is not "God's will" if a woman dies because of a pregnancy. "God" gave humans the brains to figure out effective birth control..."God" gave us ways to protect ourselves.
If Helen Alvare wants to be pregnant constantly, she's more than welcome to do so...isn't kind of strange that someone who does not believe in birth control only has 3 children? Hmmm.
Mrs. Alvare, in contrast to what you say, contraception never damaged me, but pregnancy sure as hell did.
This woman needs to take a hike, maybe back to the 17th century, where her life would have had no meaning EXCEPT for reproduction, and she'd be burned at the stake for daring to have an opinion.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)They think god can give humans the ability to cure diseases and put people on the moon...
but a woman should always be a slave to her uterus.
...cause, you know, god gave her one and everything.
their "logic" makes me vomit - it's no different than any other religio/political sexist totalitarian ASSHOLES.
Freddie
(9,267 posts)Their married daughter just had her second baby in a year and the pregnancies just about killed her. Her dad shocked me when he said "I don't care how Catholic she is, she's done having kids." Hooray for common sense.
libran060
(1 post)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)condemning us for "immorality".