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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat makes America great is that you can start with nothing and make it big.
Whenever somebody says this I ask them,why are Americans starting with nothing?
enki23
(7,789 posts).
elleng
(130,974 posts)Times have changed.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)He only had to cash a few stocks for spending money in college...He only inherited a few million dollars from daddy..
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Too bad he has fooled so many....
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Only way to make money at business that you can start with less than 1K, I think.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)... they don't believe you. Even when confronted by facts and stats. It's the same denial of political/economic reality so prevalent in our country.
They will inevitably bring up somebody who has started a small business from nothing and made it big. That's one of millions, but they don't see the rarity of the event.. they just see the "wonders of capitalism."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)How many million of these morons are willing to resort to violence over the estate tax that they'll never, ever have to pay?
indivisibleman
(482 posts)When people ask me how things are going I say, "living the dream!"
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Upward mobility is easier in most other developed countries. There are links, maybe I will post one if I find any.
Igel
(35,320 posts)You have further to go to actually make it into the upper classes than in many countries.
Educational achievement is uneven and often runs in families. Single mother dropped out of school? Odds are greatly in favor of your dropping out of school. Few high-school dropouts in the upper classes. Blame it on uneven economic development, micro-cultural attitudes, whatever.
Class mobility is defined as being born and raised in one class and moving into another. So if you start with nothing but your upbringing and stay in that class it's assumed that somehow you actually took stuff--money, property, etc. Often the case in European countries. Not so much the case here.
I'm pretty much the same class as my parents. The only property I actually got from them was a car (high school graduation present) and $3000, which was actually the cashing out of my life insurance policy when I turned 18 and which I kept until last year (I'm in my 50s now).
In fact, it was also the case with my parents and their parents. Yet my parents parents left precisely nothing to my parents. At 18 my father left home; at 17, my mother. My mother--a single mother in the '50s--got some help from her mother, a roof over her head. But when she left home again she took her own income, her child, and her clothes.
It was the same with my wife before we got married--and with her parents, who only inherited a small amount when they were in their 50s.
The last two generations in my family started off with pretty much nothing when they left home. They weren't upwardly mobile, because their lifestyle in their teen years, which took them a decade or more to recreate, was very much like their final adult lifestyle. This isn't "upwardly mobile," by the operant definition.
bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)...where local property taxes are the main contributor. So every poor neighborhood funds its school based on the meager local property values, while rich areas have few funding problem. Money means teacher's pay, classroom materials, buildings and infrastructure, all of which are usually better in wealthier neighborhoods.
Equality should start with education for children, but instead we have the opposite.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...where he visits "Dynamo City".......
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dynamoci.htm
unkachuck
(6,295 posts)"...why are Americans starting with nothing?"....so we can make it big?
....I've always worried more about starting with nothing, gaining a little something, then ending back with nothing after being consecutively raped financially by corporate America and their crooked economy....
....I've never believe in the 'bootstrap' theory of success....too many wealthy people don't wear boots....
pitohui
(20,564 posts)why is it the people who always make this claim are still renters at 50?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)UTUSN
(70,711 posts)When Maria SHRIVER married the a-hole, and all the prole-Dems begged her WHY, she said, "You don't understand, he's not a (Rethug) - he's AN IMMIGRANT!!!!1"
Yeah, immigrants come over here to GET FREE from "socialistic" restrictions, like, (in Mexico) having to KISS ASS for SYNDICATOS/UNIONS bosses who will CONTROL whether you have a job or not.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)I still have most of it left.
kentuck
(111,103 posts)hunter
(38,317 posts)Which is much more common, especially if you suffer a major accident or health problem.
Or you simply get old.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)My wife's parents are immigrants, came to America with next to nothing in 1980 and have a fantastic life. I have so many friends or in-laws that are immigrants or sons and daughters of immigrants that are making great lives here in America. My best friend is an immigrant's son and he's working on selling his company for $100MM (he owns 10%).