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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:03 PM Feb 2016

“They really don’t want this out”: The biggest Iraq War scandal that nobody’s talking about

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/16/burn_pits/

“They really don’t want this out”: The biggest Iraq War scandal that nobody’s talking about

“The Burn Pits” reveals how a Dick Cheney-connected company got rich while U.S. soldiers got poisoned

Liam O'Donoghue

The first 10 pages of “The Burn Pits: The Poisoning of America’s Soldiers” will rip your heart out. In the opening chapter of this new book, Joseph Hickman, a former U.S. Marine and Army sergeant, shares the brief and tragic life story of one Iraq War veteran. In a nutshell, a healthy young man shipped off to Iraq, was stationed at a U.S. military base where he was exposed to a constant stream of toxic smoke, returned home with horrible respiratory problems, was denied care by the VA, developed brain cancer and died.

Thousands of soldiers have suffered similar fates since serving in the vicinity of the more than 250 military burn pits that operated at bases throughout Iraq and Afghanistan. Many who haven’t succumbed to their illnesses yet have passed along the legacy of their poisoning to their children. “The rate of having a child with birth defects is three times higher for service members who served in those countries,” according to the book.

The impact on local civilian populations is even more widespread. Although collecting data in these war-ravaged areas is extremely difficult, the studies that have been conducted reveal sharp increases in cancer and leukemia rates and skyrocketing numbers of birth defects. The toxic legacies of these burn pits will likely continue to devastate these regions for decades.

So what are the “burn pits”? When the U.S. military set up a base in Iraq or Afghanistan, instead of building incinerators to dispose of the thousands of pounds of waste produced each day, they burned the garbage in big holes in the ground. The garbage they constantly burned included “every type of waste imaginable” including “tires, lithium batteries, asbestos insulation, pesticide containers, Styrofoam, metals, paints, plastic, medical waste and even human corpses.”

Here’s where the story gets even more infuriating. As a result of the privatization of many aspects of military operations, the burn pits were operated by Kellogg, Brown, and Root (KBR), a former subsidiary of Halliburton, the company where Dick Cheney was CEO before ascending to the White House. During the Bush administration, Halliburton made nearly $40 billion from lucrative government contracts (despite many corruption scandals), Dick Cheney and his corporate allies got incredibly rich, and the soldiers whose lives have likely been destroyed by this reckless operation… are pretty much screwed.

..more..

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/16/burn_pits/
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“They really don’t want this out”: The biggest Iraq War scandal that nobody’s talking about (Original Post) G_j Feb 2016 OP
shame. k and r'd (NT) ghostsinthemachine Feb 2016 #1
If corporations are people, then they deserve the death penalty for such crimes. eom Mika Feb 2016 #2
They certainly deserve to pay the bills for those damaged by this. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #17
Plus a bazillion! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #80
Yes including iraqis Person 2713 Feb 2016 #82
and benghazi is STILL being investigated spanone Feb 2016 #3
Unlike 9/11/2001. maddiemom Feb 2016 #52
Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #81
Here's hoping someone will publish photos of all the filth who were enriched snagglepuss Feb 2016 #4
k & r & thanks! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2016 #5
Privatization abelenkpe Feb 2016 #6
Cheney should have been hanged Depaysement Feb 2016 #7
+1 2naSalit Feb 2016 #30
Is it too late? nt grasswire Feb 2016 #60
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2016 #8
generations G_j Feb 2016 #19
Very true. Solly Mack Feb 2016 #29
First I've heard of this. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #9
If War Wasn't Profitable scottie55 Feb 2016 #10
Was watching The Man Who Never Existed last night. Lars39 Feb 2016 #22
With the first war. ohheckyeah Feb 2016 #53
One reason why I never got to have another child AwakeAtLast Feb 2016 #11
Even tho they were a result of "war" Plucketeer Feb 2016 #13
Here is what makes them war crimes: ronnie624 Feb 2016 #37
that's heartbreaking renate Feb 2016 #72
Thank you for caring AwakeAtLast Feb 2016 #73
Thanks for this. But zentrum Feb 2016 #12
And don't forget Larium floppyboo Feb 2016 #14
Latium can = hell on earth . Some bodies are able to process it . Many others can not. Person 2713 Feb 2016 #83
And this guy is out making bullshit comments Scalded Nun Feb 2016 #15
the whole war was a crime of simply unimaginable proportions Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #16
Another case of too big to prosecute? Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #18
good way to put-- certainly, there were way too many powerful people responsible Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #41
When Obama decided not to prosecute Bush and Cheney, the curtain came down Doctor_J Feb 2016 #20
+1 leftstreet Feb 2016 #38
or just simply sold out Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #42
After Pelosi's 'Impeachment is off the table', too. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #55
A guy I worked with was downwind from burn pits. It really screwed him up. alfredo Feb 2016 #21
KnR for visibility. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #23
They Could Have Showered elljay Feb 2016 #24
I remember that. So awful. :(. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #36
Knew about it burrowowl Feb 2016 #25
K&R for exposure. JEB Feb 2016 #26
Your headline says it all - "They really don't want this out" Stainless Feb 2016 #27
I'm sure it's no shock to long-time DUers annabanana Feb 2016 #71
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #28
What I Still Can't Fathom Is How The Repug.... global1 Feb 2016 #31
sorry, but the Dems are complicit. magical thyme Feb 2016 #48
Unfortunately, this is nothing new in war. Stonepounder Feb 2016 #32
Which is why war should only be the last resort. Not a way to fill a Cheney Warbucks' coffers mhatrw Feb 2016 #85
apparently there was also a cluster of babies with birth defects after demigoddess Feb 2016 #86
Too bad this post can't be pinned at the top of every forum on DU until something is done about this Elwood P Dowd Feb 2016 #33
Money trumps peace. Octafish Feb 2016 #34
Cheney's Multi-Million Dollar Revolving Door G_j Feb 2016 #57
Makes me wonder about Beau Biden. dmr Feb 2016 #35
War criminals all malaise Feb 2016 #39
K and R. nt MaeScott Feb 2016 #40
actually, this is not unlike happened with the smoldering rubble of the WTC Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #43
Who in fuck's name ever thought Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #44
The fucking anti regulation crowd that's who randr Feb 2016 #45
Gas Cheney. n/t librechik Feb 2016 #46
This is what we support when we support war... Orsino Feb 2016 #47
The legacy of this miserable debacle continues. blackspade Feb 2016 #49
Do a google search for "burning shit and diesel Yankee candle" Victor_c3 Feb 2016 #50
The Clintons took continual flack about a land deal that happened before either were in public maddiemom Feb 2016 #51
Most of Bush regime era policy seemed to be centered around making Dick Cheney money. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #54
Can I kick this again? 2naSalit Feb 2016 #56
I helped a neighbor's son who served 3 tours in Iraq and got brain cancer thanx .... Botany Feb 2016 #58
Another 'Agent Orange' lie and deception. Paper Roses Feb 2016 #59
To quote Smedley Butler: muntrv Feb 2016 #61
One day the GOP will pay for their massive crimes against the nation. Rex Feb 2016 #62
I so hope LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #70
an interesting stat sheet Marty McGraw Feb 2016 #63
All of this Old Codger Feb 2016 #64
When Hillary makes a mistake, it's a whopper. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #65
I have said from day one Bush and Cheney should be charged for war crimes, for treason, but they rladdi Feb 2016 #66
Can we throw him in jail yet? n/t FourScore Feb 2016 #67
The members of the shrub administration should be rotting in a federal prison. liberalnarb Feb 2016 #68
If Only Our Media Had Done Their Job colsohlibgal Feb 2016 #69
Class action suit felix_numinous Feb 2016 #74
The little dick is scum Angry Dragon Feb 2016 #75
And guess what GOP will say about the need to pay them lifelong benefits like the PTSD randys1 Feb 2016 #76
this falls under environmental KT2000 Feb 2016 #77
+1000 G_j Feb 2016 #90
This is disgusting. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #78
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Proudly cast the 298th recommendation! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #79
How appropriate. Because that's where anyone who supported the Iraq War travesty deserves to spend mhatrw Feb 2016 #84
Kick. sarcasmo Feb 2016 #87
Kicking for exposure. CanSocDem Feb 2016 #88
In the meantime veterans, JohnyCanuck Feb 2016 #89

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
4. Here's hoping someone will publish photos of all the filth who were enriched
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

by the Iraq War. May they all rot.



K and R

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
7. Cheney should have been hanged
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

High treason to save his own ass, bailing himself out of the Dresser purchase. Fuck him.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
19. generations
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

We still suffer from the physical and emotional damage from the Vietnam war, and yet we fail to acknowledge how many generations into the future people will suffer and die from the Iraq travesty.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
10. If War Wasn't Profitable
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

We wouldn't have them.

BTW wasn't it great watching Bush come out of hiding yesterday......

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
22. Was watching The Man Who Never Existed last night.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

They referred to a Mae West as part of their gear, so I googled...it's a life jacket.
Well, anyway, the article talked about how
"During the war, Congress passed an “Excess Profits” tax on earnings from sales to the military during wartime".

So when did it become ok to make obscene profits from war?


http://americacomesalive.com/2011/09/15/mae-west-life-preserver-countless-owe-lives-to-it/#.VsU5GoFOKK0

AwakeAtLast

(14,132 posts)
11. One reason why I never got to have another child
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

Aside from a mild TBI and PTSD, he was afraid of passing on something.

So far we have not seen any signs of cancer, however he has had some digestive problems lately. He's going back to the VA soon.

They should call these corporations what they are: War Criminals. If they can donate to politicians as a"person" they should be prosecuted the same way.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
13. Even tho they were a result of "war"
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:48 PM
Feb 2016

I doubt these pits would qualify as War Crimes. Wanton and reckless endangerment? NO QUESTION! Should they be held responsible? Yes, but at some level, someone in government oversaw (or certainly should have overseen) what they were doing. The whole damned war was/IS a debacle we'll never ever totally absolve ourselves of.

5000 Americans dead - for NOTHING! Billions down bottomless pits with NO results but the enrichment of the blood-sucking privateers. And there's THE head war criminal stumping for his brother. Lady Justice is dead.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
37. Here is what makes them war crimes:
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:47 AM
Feb 2016
The impact on local civilian populations is even more widespread. Although collecting data in these war-ravaged areas is extremely difficult, the studies that have been conducted reveal sharp increases in cancer and leukemia rates and skyrocketing numbers of birth defects. The toxic legacies of these burn pits will likely continue to devastate these regions for decades.


http://www.salon.com/2016/02/16/burn_pits/

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
12. Thanks for this. But
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:44 PM
Feb 2016

…..now what? Can we still do anything?

Can soldiers bring a class action against responsible parties?

Can Progressives (such as they are) in Congress hold hearings? Maybe Barbara Lee? Elizabeth Warren?

What do we do to make something happen?

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
14. And don't forget Larium
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

Pharma's experiment with recruits. Disgusting. I have a friend suffering from this trial. He volunteered as a Canadian, and has been waiting 3 years since he filed for a claim. Or so he says. He's pretty fucked up and sometimes its hard to figure out what is real and what is not. Is that not a definition of hell?
http://www.army-technology.com/features/featuremefloquine-the-militarys-deadly-malaria-treatment-4402886/

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
83. Latium can = hell on earth . Some bodies are able to process it . Many others can not.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:47 PM
Feb 2016

A crap shoot using humans
Then as the article said using this in a combat zone
I did not know it is issued at Guantanamo
More outrage!

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
41. good way to put-- certainly, there were way too many powerful people responsible
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:52 AM
Feb 2016

all of the top people in the Bush admin.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
20. When Obama decided not to prosecute Bush and Cheney, the curtain came down
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

I think everyone knew at that point that he'd joined the BFEE.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
42. or just simply sold out
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:55 AM
Feb 2016

but to be sure, I never expected that he would do something so bold, and the Dem party was just as meek.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
24. They Could Have Showered
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

To wash the toxins off. Of course, they would then have been electrocuted. Guess who was the contractor who built the showers?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/toll-rises--at-least-18-u_b_124863.html

Stainless

(718 posts)
27. Your headline says it all - "They really don't want this out"
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016

Anyone who has been paying attention knows there has been a cover-up by the Media about the Burn Pits and the resulting illness and death. Hopefully, the Media and the MIC will all have a judgement day after Bernie becomes POTUS and a more Liberal SCOTUS is in place. I won't hold my breath though.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
71. I'm sure it's no shock to long-time DUers
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

KBR and burn pits figured into our discussions at the time.

global1

(25,253 posts)
31. What I Still Can't Fathom Is How The Repug....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:35 AM
Feb 2016

candidates still talk of wars and how Repug voters eat that kind of talk up. Equally I have a problem with military families support that kind of talk as well. Why would anyone support any Party or candidate that is talking hawkish? Why would they want to put themselves, their sons and daughters or for that matter anyone in that kind of peril? Really - Enough is Enough.

No more wars!!!

This is just another way the top 1% uses the 99%er's to further feed their greed. This is why we need a person like Bernie as President.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
32. Unfortunately, this is nothing new in war.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:55 AM
Feb 2016

In Viet Nam it was Agent Orange, which the VA refused to admit caused all kinds of issues so refused to pay for or treat, while Monsanto got rich.

In WWII US Steel sold inferior steel to the US Navy for its ships, while Curtis-Wright sold defective aircraft engines and parts to the military. (cf. http://www.themilitant.com/2005/6923/692350.html)

Go read Gen. Smedley Butler's 'War is a Racket' (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html)

War is basically a way for the 1% to get richer and to hell with the cannon fodder. And it has been going on for a very long time.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
85. Which is why war should only be the last resort. Not a way to fill a Cheney Warbucks' coffers
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:17 PM
Feb 2016

while the NY Times, the Washington Post, corporate cable TV and network news, the DNC, and the Clintons cheer.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
86. apparently there was also a cluster of babies with birth defects after
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 09:11 PM
Feb 2016

Gulf War I which was under GeorgeHWBush.I was at the local military hospital at the department of pediatrics for children with birth defects and the bulletin board had a meeting for the mothers of children born during/as a result of that war. Also I am quite sure there has been a cluster in this Gulf War considering how long it has gone on and the depleted uranium used and the fact that there has been some pictures of Iraqi babies with horrific birth defects on Youtube that I saw years ago. I am interested as a parent of a birth defect child.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
33. Too bad this post can't be pinned at the top of every forum on DU until something is done about this
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:20 AM
Feb 2016

I knew two guys who died in their 50's from cancer related to Agent Orange. Both had children with all kinds of health issues, and the child of one died of cancer.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
35. Makes me wonder about Beau Biden.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:57 AM
Feb 2016

Brain cancer at such a young age.

There's also stories of those who died while serving at Gitmo, and I thought of Beau then.

There wasn't lodging for JAG personnel, so they housed them in make shift quarters on an old air field. I don't recall the numbers of how many were stricken with deadly health issues, but it was very high. Many of which was brain cancer, and then death.

Don't have a link, but it was on 60 Minutes, I think. One of the rare instances I watched this program.

This is criminal to me. KBR made a killing on these contracts, which I bet were non-bid contracts. What ever happened to making a modest profit?


I wonder if Joe Biden doesn't wonder himself about this.

This is just too heartbreaking thinking of the lives damaged by the irresponsible greed of a major industry.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
43. actually, this is not unlike happened with the smoldering rubble of the WTC
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:56 AM
Feb 2016

and all the first responders who got sick.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
44. Who in fuck's name ever thought
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:09 AM
Feb 2016

burning all that shit in a giant jumbled mess would ever be safe??

randr

(12,412 posts)
45. The fucking anti regulation crowd that's who
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:16 AM
Feb 2016

Millions were made disregarding the safety of our troops and someone should pay dearly.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
47. This is what we support when we support war...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

...particularly the blank-check variety run by corporate sociopaths. War zones are outside the law for the most part, and there murder, rape and other forms of torture go largely unchecked. The profiteering is only the mildest consequence.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
49. The legacy of this miserable debacle continues.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

All of this was entirely predictable and avoidable.
More politicians with courage to vote "no" on the IWR would have made a world of difference.
They own the deaths as far as I'm concerned.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
50. Do a google search for "burning shit and diesel Yankee candle"
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

The first thing that pops up is a picture someone photoshopped of me stirring shit in a burn pot in Iraq.

I was a 1LT at the time and my soldiers were burning our shit and classified documents. It looked like fun so I had my picture Doug the job that most officers would never think of doing. It was a shitty job (pun intended)

Since I've been back from Iraq I've had a chronic cough - and I got back from Iraq in 2005.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
51. The Clintons took continual flack about a land deal that happened before either were in public
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

office. Cheney sailed by without much ever said about his association with Halliburton and its crimes. Perhaps he "gave up" his position with them when entering office. Certainly he maintained plenty of stock and/or stock options.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
54. Most of Bush regime era policy seemed to be centered around making Dick Cheney money.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:01 PM
Feb 2016

From burn pits to shoddy wiring electrocuting soldiers in showers to kabuki TSA body scanners to fossil fuel loving energy policies. Did they do anything during that 8 years that didn't make Dick Cheney more money?

Botany

(70,518 posts)
58. I helped a neighbor's son who served 3 tours in Iraq and got brain cancer thanx ....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

... to KBR's burn pits. He is dead now just like Beau Biden. His illness was ruled as
service related too.

The real # of dead from the Iraqi war is much higher then the 4,600 figure we now have.

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
59. Another 'Agent Orange' lie and deception.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:52 PM
Feb 2016

Want to know why I am voting for Bernie? Because I am sick and tired of all the BS that is coming our way.

This old timer has had enough of the government baloney, big biz shenanigans, military excesses et al.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
62. One day the GOP will pay for their massive crimes against the nation.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

Their lies are not as well believed as they once were.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
64. All of this
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

Is most likely true and factual, but in this country the "elite" 1% could rape children in the streets and no one could or would do anything about it, many would cheer them on...

rladdi

(581 posts)
66. I have said from day one Bush and Cheney should be charged for war crimes, for treason, but they
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

got a free pass. And Cheney has the nerves to continue his false claims about the war. Even after the tax payers paid for his new heart, he still is heartless. But I suspect this still goes on, house committees, hearing, are a waste. Nothing get fixed nor is anyone ever charged. We continue to waste trillions on companies like Halliburton. contractors being hired thru the military.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
68. The members of the shrub administration should be rotting in a federal prison.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

But instead we're still investigating benghazi. Even though the gop controlled congress is more at fault than Hillary or Barack Obama

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
69. If Only Our Media Had Done Their Job
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

Instead they had their Pom Poms out cheerleading for "shock and awe".

The whole lot of the PNAC gang should be on trial at The Hague for war profiteering and so much more...all on our dime.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
74. Class action suit
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

not a legal professional, yet for the life of me cannot understand why there aren't whole legal firms out there willing to stand up for the vets. I'm sure there must be a good reason...

randys1

(16,286 posts)
76. And guess what GOP will say about the need to pay them lifelong benefits like the PTSD
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:09 PM
Feb 2016

settlements, they are gonna scream and cry about taxes.

KT2000

(20,584 posts)
77. this falls under environmental
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

illnesses which do not exist. The controls on people through medical associations, insurance companies and especially the military and VA assures that illnesses caused by the environment to do not exist except in the minds of those who are ill. Judges have been "educated" to dispose of these cases for those attempting to sue.

It can be proven that toxic fumes came from the burn pits but it cannot be proven beyond a shadow of doubt that the illness was caused by the toxic fumes. That is how it is set up. Take a look at the discovery questionnaire for defendants in a toxic tort case.
Ex. Have you ever put gas in your car?
How many times have you walked past the laundry room in your house?
Do you use household cleaners such as.....?
Do you use lawn chemicals at your house?

All this muddies the issue as to make it impossible to point out any single cause for illness. The VA and medical folks are also ready to diagnose mental illness after their list of questions.
Everyone who is poisoned by toxic exposures is thrown overboard.

Amputated Lives by Alison Johnson
They're Poisoning Us: From the Gulf War to the Gulf of Mexico, An Investigative Report by Arnold Mann

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
79. Kicked and recommended to the Max! Proudly cast the 298th recommendation!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

Thank you, G_j!

This is what happens when you privatize the military.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
84. How appropriate. Because that's where anyone who supported the Iraq War travesty deserves to spend
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:14 PM
Feb 2016

eternity.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
88. Kicking for exposure.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:06 AM
Feb 2016


This is one of those threads that needs to survive. Even if the "cannon fodder" doesn't.



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JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
89. In the meantime veterans,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

Dick Cheney and his bank accounts thank you most sincerely from the bottom of Dick's borrowed, replacement heart for your service.

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