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tencats

(567 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:20 PM Feb 2016

Bundy Family, Supporters Face 16 Federal Felonies For 2014 Standoff

Wow, they are throwing the book at them.
The 5 defendants are going to be very busy going back and forth between Portland and Las Vegas for the next few years. And they're going to get very very tired of talking to attorneys.

by Ryan Haas and Conrad Wilson OPB | Feb. 17, 2016 6:10 p.m.

A federal grand jury indicted Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and four others Wednesday with a raft of felony charges related to a 2014 armed standoff at Bundy’s ranch.

Bundy and his sons — Ammon and Ryan Bundy — as well as Montana resident Ryan Payne and Ohio conservative Internet radio show host Pete Santilli were charged with a total of 16 felonies.

The charges were:

1 count of conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States
1 count of conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer
4 counts of using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence
2 counts of assault on a federal officer
2 counts of threatening a federal law enforcement officer
3 counts of obstruction of the due administration of justice
2 counts of interference with interstate commerce by extortion
1 count of interstate travel in aid of extortion

The maximum penalties for each of the charges against the men range from five to 20 years in prison. Each charge carries a maximum fine of $250,000.

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/bundy-family-supporters-face-16-federal-felonies-for-2014-standoff/?t=036182#.VsUxilr5Z5s.twitter

Read the 51-page federal indictment

http://www.justice.gov/usao-nv/pr/federal-grand-jury-nevada-indicts-cliven-bundy-and-four-others-felony-crimes-related-2014

http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/02/17/Bundy,%20Cliven%20et%20al%20Indictment.pdf
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Bundy Family, Supporters Face 16 Federal Felonies For 2014 Standoff (Original Post) tencats Feb 2016 OP
Good. Lochloosa Feb 2016 #1
Damn skippy. Maynar Feb 2016 #23
As my Grand Daddy would say jaysunb Feb 2016 #2
Bundy's life would have better if had simply obeyed the law missingfink Feb 2016 #3
Furthermore, even if they ever do get out, they will have lost their right to tblue37 Feb 2016 #8
and the ranch 2naSalit Feb 2016 #13
I Think There Is Already A Line Formed Waiting For That One left on green only Feb 2016 #26
That seems the most 2naSalit Feb 2016 #43
good start... dhill926 Feb 2016 #4
But...but....they are god-feering Pay-tri-ots!!!!! dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #5
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #27
Please reconsider. Mister Ed Feb 2016 #31
Please Don't Put Words In My Mouth left on green only Feb 2016 #32
I apologize. Mister Ed Feb 2016 #33
You have nothing to apologize for. eShirl Feb 2016 #37
my comment was not about prison rape, btw dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #42
Thank you. Very sorry to have mischaracterized your statement. Mister Ed Feb 2016 #48
Thank you. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #53
Patience brer cat Feb 2016 #6
It's good to see Pete Santilli going down in Nevada as well as Oregon. eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #7
How could they ignore his call for criminality on a grand scale. L. Coyote Feb 2016 #18
I knew more charges were coming down the pike nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #9
Probably should just sign up 2naSalit Feb 2016 #14
I am not going to go down that road nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #15
Well, it is a waste 2naSalit Feb 2016 #17
Lots more participants to be charged or turned as witnesses, no doubt. L. Coyote Feb 2016 #19
sometimes you see to newspaper feature on stupid criminals dembotoz Feb 2016 #10
I wonder if they will ever charge Eric Parker, the guy on the overpass aiming a long gun at the tblue37 Feb 2016 #11
This of course requires a picture nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #12
Yup...this guy needs to be in custody alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #40
Amazing that so many people are taking pictures during an armed standoff.... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #44
I would have... wearing of course tactical helmet nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #47
I would think he's doing a lot of the over the shoulder glance 2naSalit Feb 2016 #16
On Facebook he's smug as ever SHRED Feb 2016 #21
What's he saying? dmr Feb 2016 #25
Here are some screenshots SHRED Feb 2016 #29
Thank you. Wow, am sure the feds have screenshots of this. dmr Feb 2016 #39
They sure seem to miss being in combat... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #45
Gun nuts are so full of themselves.... mikeysnot Feb 2016 #52
Pardon my French ejbr Feb 2016 #20
Finally. nt Duppers Feb 2016 #22
Watch the Bundy Clan say they don't recognize the authority of the Federal Government. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #24
That won't keep them out of malaise Feb 2016 #36
Well, they WANTED to occupy a Gov't facility. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #46
I wonder how Dave is doing? flamingdem Feb 2016 #28
And that's just for starters. Elwood P Dowd Feb 2016 #30
Cliven Bundy will die in prison malaise Feb 2016 #34
HA! good one. eom Ligyron Feb 2016 #41
I really enjoyed reading that indictment! struggle4progress Feb 2016 #35
Exactly as I was telling all the folks screaming they were getting away with it Lee-Lee Feb 2016 #38
Good. A swift, timely trial would be good. MineralMan Feb 2016 #49
Poor cattle Johnny2X2X Feb 2016 #50
The utter ridiculousness of their position... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #51

missingfink

(174 posts)
3. Bundy's life would have better if had simply obeyed the law
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

and paid his grazing fees. After his armed defiance, he & his son's will be locked away for lengthy times. It was only money.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
8. Furthermore, even if they ever do get out, they will have lost their right to
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:48 PM
Feb 2016

possess guns. I bet that will be what bothers them most. In fact, one of the main concerns expressed by the last four holdouts at Malheur was that if they were charged and ended up convicted of felonies, they would be forbidden to own guns.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
13. and the ranch
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:32 AM
Feb 2016

and any other holdings in the forfeiture portion of the penalty.

Looks like there's gonna be a ranch for sale down in southern NV by next year.

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
26. I Think There Is Already A Line Formed Waiting For That One
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:48 AM
Feb 2016

It is my understanding that the ranch is already under the weight of a crushing federal lien for non payment of grazing fees. In fact, the Bundy Bunch may even have to hock their gunz in order to secure mediocre legal representation.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
43. That seems the most
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:07 PM
Feb 2016

likely scenario. If any of them ever do get out of prison, they won't have anything but probable debt. Ammo has that business in Idaho for which he secured a federal loan... that has to be paid back too. They really made a mess of their personal lives but the church will probably help them quietly.,, it's SOP for that group.

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #5)

Mister Ed

(5,940 posts)
31. Please reconsider.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:46 AM
Feb 2016

I'm hoping that, on reflection, you may agree that rape isn't really something to joke about or celebrate on DU, and self-delete the post. I guess I'd say the same goes for post #5 above.

Thanks.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
42. my comment was not about prison rape, btw
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

I was thinking along political lines..if other anti-gov. groups in prison would take the Bundy gang seriously or think they were clowns.

Mister Ed

(5,940 posts)
48. Thank you. Very sorry to have mischaracterized your statement.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

Especially embarrassed to have attributed such an unsavory sentiment to you. Again, my apologies.

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
6. Patience
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

got them without endangering lives. I hope they also get the snipers pictured with their guns aimed at the government agents. A long time in prison should take some of the glow off their "win" in that confrontation.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
18. How could they ignore his call for criminality on a grand scale.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:47 AM
Feb 2016


Stupidest criminal of the century, creates his own media orgfanization, records and broadcasts his crimes live, documents felonies, helps put co-conspirators away for life.

Life without parole is starting to look like a good plea bargain.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. I knew more charges were coming down the pike
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:51 PM
Feb 2016

so what federal pen do we send snacks to? Seems they will be occupying the facility for a LLLONNNNGGG time

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
14. Probably should just sign up
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:34 AM
Feb 2016

for a delivery of a bag o' dicks every month just to show them you are glad they made it to the "big house".

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
17. Well, it is a waste
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:40 AM
Feb 2016

of your time and money.
Funny, I have been waking up in the morning and wondering how these criminals feel every time they wake up and realize where they are... and then I get up and enjoy my day knowing I am not one of them.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
19. Lots more participants to be charged or turned as witnesses, no doubt.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

Anyone who was involved best phone the FBI now ...

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
11. I wonder if they will ever charge Eric Parker, the guy on the overpass aiming a long gun at the
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

federal agents during the Bundy ranch standoff. They should. At the very least that fool is probably starting to feel nervous, since he has probably up to now figured that since nothing had been done for so long, nothing would ever be done. Charging Clive and the other 4 this long afterward is bound to have Parker looking over his shoulder.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. I would have... wearing of course tactical helmet
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

and having my gas mask nearby of course.

Media (and many of these were not credentialed) will take amazing risks to get that money shot

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
16. I would think he's doing a lot of the over the shoulder glance
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

and he's probably holed up in his secret prepper bunker in Idaho. If/when he comes out, I hope he gets nabbed too. Might have to be a little more patient about that. the thing is, they have all the cell phones with the contacts lists and maybe other stuff that can help catch some others too.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
25. What's he saying?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:17 AM
Feb 2016

I don't log on to Facebook anymore.

If he's smug, then he's more stupid than ever.

That picture of him on the overpass angers me to no end. How dare he!

Aiming his sites on law enforcement. Argh .....

dmr

(28,347 posts)
39. Thank you. Wow, am sure the feds have screenshots of this.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:58 AM
Feb 2016

He's so proud of himself. Imagine that.

Hope he's arrested very soon.

Thanks again for the screenshots.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
45. They sure seem to miss being in combat...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

too bad it is illegal to sentence them to a tour of duty in the Middle East.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
30. And that's just for starters.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:03 AM
Feb 2016

When they complete all the detail work at the Oregon site, there will be many, many more. Weapons and explosives all over the place, ditches full of poop on protected Indian land, damages to Federal property, threatening Federal law enforcement, and the list goes on. These clowns will be in jail for decades except the ones that get on their knees, spill their guts, and start turning in the others not yet in the pokey. There are going to be lots of tight assholes out West the next few weeks.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
38. Exactly as I was telling all the folks screaming they were getting away with it
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:35 AM
Feb 2016

The Feds, if what you have done is of enough interest for them to bother, take their time, build a very solid case, and often don't make an arrest until years down the road.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
50. Poor cattle
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

Reading more about this terrorist, it seems he didn't even care for his cattle properly, letting them run wild and fend for themselves, of course all of this on our property. He was a lazy rancher who basically relied on the public to feed his cattle, many of which were sick or injured.

Guy was a free loader, plain and simple. This was all an effort to get free stuff for he and his family.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
51. The utter ridiculousness of their position...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

Is that the government was subsidizing 93% of his grazing fees. Charging him $.07 for every dollar a private landowner would charge for grazing. All he had to do was to follow a few basic rules, and pay his fees. Instead, the moron racks up a million in debt and fees, hundreds of thousands in legal fees and fines, loses his house and ranch, spends years in jail, and loses right to own guns, vote, and run for office. What a fucking moron. Unfortunately, that lesson will be lost on the other patriot morons who will view him as a martyred victim of government 'tyranny'.

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