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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:41 AM Feb 2016

a possible theory on why Sandoval was leaked

I know there was a time when half of DU was pondering whether or not Obama was playing chess, or being outmaneuvered. As far as this float of Sandoval, a fellow who should absolutely NOT be chosen, here is why I think Obama leaked the info about "vetting."

Right now, the Senate has dug it's heels into the ground, saying they will not, under any circumstances, hear on a new supreme court nominee until after the election, which of course we all know means until they can get a GOP pres in to stack the court. We all know that if Ruth Bader Ginsburg died they would impeach Obama for not putting someone in fast enough. Well, this calls their bluff. If they do dig their heels in, then Obama can show they do not even want a GOP governor in the slot. Remember when GOP governors were the darlings of Fox news, yet the Senate will not confrm him.

But wait, what if they decided to hear him, this guy Sandoval is a GOP scum. Yes, he is, but he is a pro choice, pro immigration scum. In other eras, it would be dangerous to risk him, but this is an age where even the people the GOP kept locked in the attic are marching right into the control room giving orders. There is no way a Trump, or even a Cruz, would support a PRO-ABORTION justice, even if the guy made a point of kicking democrat's puppies.

So, this means the Senate gets to fight, and it all gets on camera, which of course, has been the one way the Right wing dies; imploding on camera. Trump may know how to work the Camera, but that fight is either Hillary's or Bernie's to wage, on this front, I think Obama has the GOP in check.

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a possible theory on why Sandoval was leaked (Original Post) DonCoquixote Feb 2016 OP
I don't want a gambler in the White House. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #1
point noted,however DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #3
If they think they might lose the Presidential election? Yes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #4
PBO Firebrand Gary Feb 2016 #2
Me, too. One doesn't need to believe he's infallible but he's pretty damned smart. randome Feb 2016 #6
Yep rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #7
It would be a great strategy indeed: DetlefK Feb 2016 #5
He was just 'leaked' as a ploy to try to generate cracks in the republicans ... 4139 Feb 2016 #8
Very likely. If so, another "test" candidate will be along to Hortensis Feb 2016 #11
Sandoval is 'pro choice' by Republican standards, by my standards he is in favor of restrictions Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #9
by republican standards DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #10

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. I don't want a gambler in the White House.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:43 AM
Feb 2016

Any more than I want gamblers on Wall Street.

Eventually the odds catch up with you, and you get a disaster because the dice fall out wrong.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
3. point noted,however
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:46 AM
Feb 2016

do you think the senate is going to dare put a pro abortion judge on to replace St.Tony Scalia?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. If they think they might lose the Presidential election? Yes.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:52 AM
Feb 2016

Look, as we've seen, especially in the Senate, when it's time to shaft the people who put them in office, the religious types are ALWAYS the first in line. So they'll choose an anti-labour pro-abortion judge over a pro-labour anti-abortion judge any day of the week. Once they've thoroughly driven the rest of us into poverty, they can easily move to take away all of our social gains again. It's only when we the people have the economic strength to fight back that we can have any surety in our social gains.

And Sandoval is probably the best (for them) they'll get out of Obama.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
2. PBO
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:45 AM
Feb 2016

Has revealed himself to be the greatest strategist in the history of democratic politics; what ever his thinking is, I trust him.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Me, too. One doesn't need to believe he's infallible but he's pretty damned smart.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:19 AM
Feb 2016

Probably the smartest man to ever hold the office.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. It would be a great strategy indeed:
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:58 AM
Feb 2016

Spread a rumor that you consider Sandoval for Supreme Court.

When asked about it, refuse to comment, citing internal deliberations.

If the Republicans say they would block even a Republican, fine.
If the Republicans say they would be fine with confirmation-hearings for Sandoval, clarify that the WH never actually nominated Sandoval but that the WH would be happy to start the confirmation-hearings with another candidate.

4139

(1,893 posts)
8. He was just 'leaked' as a ploy to try to generate cracks in the republicans ...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:37 AM
Feb 2016

I don't believe the Pres was seriously considering him.

Probably something Harry Reid thought up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Very likely. If so, another "test" candidate will be along to
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

widen those cracks. Since allowing the GOP's rejection of Sandoval to play out before the public would be very bad for them, it's totally predictable that a White House "leak" would cause McConnell and the party to immediately put pressure on Sandoval to withdraw. Before the curtains really opened, but not before causing the beginnings of dissension backstage.

All 24 GOP Senators up for election have now had a just little taste of the anxiety and personal danger that McConnell's unprincipled strategy promises them.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. Sandoval is 'pro choice' by Republican standards, by my standards he is in favor of restrictions
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

on the reproductive rights of women far in excess of anything I find to be reasonable. To use the phrase 'pro abortion' for him is absolutely dishonest.

He is also opposed to marriage equality.

Many on DU adore anti gay and anti choice persons and so very clearly those rights are not very important to many of our posters. It's very obvious, and it is why I am voting for Bernie Sanders and not that lot.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
10. by republican standards
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:36 PM
Feb 2016

he is pro abortion. Yes, by human standards, he is right wing, and as I said, he should NOT be on the court. However, the GOP has the senate, and and as long Mitch and Ted are in there, they will find him unacceptable at all, plus to even look at him means they cannot dig their feet in the sand. If you thought I was being dishonest, keep in mind I was describing what THEY would think; the part where I said he should "absolutely not be chosen", and the part where I thought he would not serve, should have cleared that up. My point is that the GOP is so rabid at this point they cannot swallow him, and the fact they will gag on camera means we can lift away the veil of anybody being "reasonable."

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