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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:49 AM Feb 2016

I値l Take Hillary Clinton Over Donald Trump

Donald Trump could end up being the Republican nominee, and the idea fills many conservatives (like me) with despair. By “conservatives,” I mean actual conservatives, the people who believe in limited government, a strong national defense, American federalism, and who reject the nanny state in all of its smothering incarnations. Put another way, I mean: people who are not liberals, like Donald Trump.

Star-struck, low-information celebrity cultists will vote for Trump under any circumstances because they do not know any better and do not care. For them, Trump is whatever they want him to be, and they will never change their minds. The rest of us, however, have a much more difficult choice to make. Will we really oppose Trump to the point of accepting any alternative, including Hillary Clinton?

The answer, at least for me, is: Yes. If forced into a choice between Clinton and Trump, I will prefer Hillary Clinton. The future of the entire conservative movement is at stake, and a Clinton victory over Trump might be the only hope of saving it.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/24/ill-take-hillary-clinton-over-donald-trump/
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I値l Take Hillary Clinton Over Donald Trump (Original Post) SecularMotion Feb 2016 OP
Wow, a conservative supporting a conservative. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #1
A conservative democrat...just leans to the right. RichGirl Feb 2016 #3
Not a day goes by that I'm not painfully aware of the damage Reagan has done. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #4
的f we must have an enemy at the head of government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom pampango Feb 2016 #2
Kick SecularMotion Feb 2016 #5
Ugh... TipTok Feb 2016 #6

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
3. A conservative democrat...just leans to the right.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
Feb 2016

A conservative republican is ignorant and evil.

Keep in mind...Reagan did the most damage to this country and we haven't recovered. Before him, the richest made about 20 times more than the middle class. Since then, rich make 300 times more than middle class.

I can remember back when religion was never discussed by any political figure...not democrat or republican. Today the republicans have pretty much hi-jacked and redefined Christianity. They have absolutely NOTHING to offer the middle class...so they manipulate them to vote against their own best interest by using God's will...as in abortion, homosexuality, etc. Issues that don't put food on the table.

God says in the old testament at least 10 times that anyone who works on Sunday should be put to death. The whole second commandment is about honoring Sunday as Gods day. Yet...you don't hear republicans talking about that. Why? Because big business wouldn't give them big checks if they started talking about no business on Sundays. Big business is their god.

You simply cannot put Hillary in that category.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
4. Not a day goes by that I'm not painfully aware of the damage Reagan has done.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:44 AM
Feb 2016

Your post made me nostalgic for the pre-Reagan days. Sigh... I miss that.

I consider myself lucky that I lived in Pre-Reagan, Pre-Corporate times. To me having Bernie win would be the end of Reaganomics, at least the beginning of the end. The sentiment that is making Bernie so popular is not going away even if he doesn't get the nomination. A Hillary presidency is not an end to Reaganomics.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
2. 的f we must have an enemy at the head of government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:57 AM
Feb 2016

we are not responsible.”

In other words: Better to lose to a true enemy whose policies you can fight and repudiate, rather than to a false friend whose schemes will drag you down with him. This is a painful choice, but it also embraces realism while protecting the possibility of recovery in the future. The need to live to fight another day is why conservatives should adopt a Hamilton Rule if, God forbid, the choice comes down to Hillary and Trump.

I think Hillary Clinton is one of the worst human beings in American politics. She has few principles that I can discern, other than her firm conviction that she deserves the Oval Office for enabling and then defending her sexually neurotic husband. She lies as easily as the rest of us breathe. She has compromised national security through sheer laziness at best, and corrupt intent at worst. If elected, she will enrich Wall Street and raid the public coffers while preaching hateful doctrines of identity politics to distract America’s poor and working classes.

Conservatives can recover from four, or even eight, years of Hillary Clinton. We might even flourish: remember, President Obama’s cult of personality—to which Trump’s mindless fan base bears more than a little resemblance—sacrificed more than 900 Democratic seats and a passel of governorships on its altar over the past seven years. President Obama won two elections and the Democratic Party lost hundreds. If Trump’s victory means this kind of “winning,” conservatives should want no part of it.

If Trump is at the top of the ticket, Republicans will likely lose the Senate, but that pales in comparison to the overall discrediting of conservatism that will follow. In pulling down the GOP, Trump will take conservatism with it, and enshrine 30 or 40 more years of liberal dominance, beginning with his own liberal administration.

"Better to lose to a true enemy whose policies you can fight and repudiate, rather than to a false friend whose schemes will drag you down with him." Very interesting conservative point of view. Thanks for posting it, SecularMotion.
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