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Tab

(11,093 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 08:40 PM Feb 2016

How To Invent Sci-Fi Languages (And get paid for it, too)

Just thought this was interesting. I'm not a linguist, but I'm fascinated by "manufactured" languages, probably started by Tolkien, and evolving (so to speak) into Klingon. I'd like to create my own, and I've played with it, but I don't really know what I'm doing.



As a college freshman, David J. Peterson became fascinated with languages. He then began inventing his own words and grammar. “It was kind of like crocheting,” he says. “Except you can make money with crocheting.” Peterson finally hit payday in 2009, when he won a competition to design the Dothraki language for Game of Thrones. Soon, he was crafting fictional tongues for TV shows like Defiance and The 100.
How do you start inventing a language?

I separate the process into three distinct branches: sounds, word meanings, and grammar. I usually start with the sound system, which affects grammar, and also with nouns. Then I base the language on whatever desire I have for the grammar’s shape to take.
In the real world, languages evolve over time. Do yours?

I am creating the language to look as if it evolved in the real world, so it has to have a realistic character to it. But since I am emulating thousands of years of linguistic evolution on paper, it is a monumentally difficult task.
Is there anything you try to consciously avoid?

I don’t like articles and verbs. Languages like Russian, which have no definite or indefinite articles, get on fine without them—and that’s wonderful.

http://www.popsci.com/inventing-sci-fi-languages
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How To Invent Sci-Fi Languages (And get paid for it, too) (Original Post) Tab Feb 2016 OP
Neat! frogmarch Feb 2016 #1
I'd say thank you for posting this ... Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #2
Perhaps "Summer is coming," is the thank you. NV Whino Feb 2016 #4
Oh my sweet summer child Krytan11c Feb 2016 #11
Ursula Le Guin was a master of alien languages also. NV Whino Feb 2016 #3
IIRC, James Doohan invented the first Klingonese for Star Trek. longship Feb 2016 #5
A language without verbs? You're shitting me. longship Feb 2016 #6
Nowhere in the OP is it stated that such a thing exists, or could exist. eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #9
Well, how else would one interpret "I don't like verbs"? longship Feb 2016 #10
The true master was J.R.R. Tolkien. backscatter712 Feb 2016 #7
Land of the Lost's Lost Language eShirl Feb 2016 #8
Gee, I invented a language when I was eleven years old Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2016 #12
Yeah, but you didn't market it, did you? Tab Feb 2016 #13

frogmarch

(12,158 posts)
1. Neat!
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 08:49 PM
Feb 2016

But how could there be a language without verbs? Articles (a, an, the) might be fluff, but verbs would be important in any language, real or fictional, I'd think.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
2. I'd say thank you for posting this ...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

but there is no word for "thank you" in the Dothraki language.

Winter is coming ....

Krytan11c

(271 posts)
11. Oh my sweet summer child
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
Feb 2016

You've never experienced the harshness of winter.

Jk, of course, all in good humor.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. IIRC, James Doohan invented the first Klingonese for Star Trek.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:10 PM - Edit history (1)

That's right Montgomery Scott himself. For Star Trek -- The Motion Picture. (The Director's cut, produced by director Robert Wise before he died, is better than the rushed to the screen original. Available on DVD.)

Doohan's Klingonese was later expanded on in subsequent Star Treks films and programs.

But how cool is it that apparently Doohan started it?

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. A language without verbs? You're shitting me.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

Name one! Just one. I'll expect academic citation, BTW.

Addressed to the article's author, not to the DU poster, obviously.


eppur_se_muova

(36,281 posts)
9. Nowhere in the OP is it stated that such a thing exists, or could exist.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:46 PM
Feb 2016

He just said "I don't like ... verbs". Presumably he doesn't invent any more than he has to, or keeps the conjugations simple.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
7. The true master was J.R.R. Tolkien.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
Feb 2016

He invented not just the Sindarin tongue used by the Elves in Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, he also invented it's "Latin", the older Elvish language Quenya.

He invented dozens of languages, for Elves, Dwarves, humans. He invented the Black Speech used by Sauron and his minions. And he invented a whole bunch of other languages.

eShirl

(18,502 posts)
8. Land of the Lost's Lost Language
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5283736/land-of-the-losts-lost-language

Series co-creator Marty Krofft, speaking to British magazine SFX in 1997, said the initial impulse to create an artificial language for the show came from the network, which, hoping to appease the FCC, wanted to ensure that the kids' show had a positive educational component. Sid and Marty Krofft hired linguist Victoria Fromkin to create the language.

In the same issue of SFX, Fromkin said that she developed the language to be revealed over time in the series, so that kids watching could learn new words every week the same way Will and Holly did in their attempts to understand Cha-Ka, by picking up the Paku vocabulary and grammar in context as Cha-Ka used them. (Unfortunately, Fromkin said, the episodes would frequently air out of sequence in reruns, spoiling her lesson plan.) "Since I did a lot of work on West African languages, particularly Akan, the major language of Ghana, Paku appears to be in the Kwa family of Bantu languages," she said. "Or at least if some linguist 2000 years from now would find excerpts of it, through reconstruction methods they would probably conclude that."

Not only was Paku the first artificial language created for a kid's show (according to Stephen Corley and Tim Cain's Encyclopedia of Fictional and Fantastic Languages), but it was also the first instance of a television show hiring a professional linguist to develop such a language. Fromkin went on to invent the far less extensive vampire language spoken in the 1998 film Blade.

Fromkin created a 200-word vocabulary for the Pakuni. A good chunk of which survives in this Pakuni-English dictionary reconstructed by LOTL fan Nels Olsen. So if you're watching the reruns again on SyFy, you can consult the list and learn not to confuse an aganka (iguana) with an agamba (dinosaur).
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