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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Only Way to Save Your Beloved Bananas Might Be Genetic Engineering
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2015/12/hate-gmos-then-prepare-kiss-bananas-goodbye"Bananas have reached such all-star status in the American diet that we now consume more of them than apples every year. Yet you're probably used to seeing just one type of banana at your supermarket: the relatively bland yellow Cavendish. It has high yields, ships pretty well, and ripens slowly, making it appetizing to global food distributors.
Unfortunately, the popularity of the Cavendish might also be its downfall. A nasty and incurable fungus known as Tropical Race 4 (TR4) has spread in Cavendish-producing countries around the world, and it could be making its way straight toward banana heartland: Latin America, which produces 80 percent of the world's exports.
For a paper published in November in the journal PLOS Pathogens, researchers confirmed that the version of TR4 afflicting bananas in different countries around the globeincluding China, the Philippines, Jordan, Oman, and Australiaappears to come from a single clone. Ever since the fungus migrated from Asia and Australia into Africa and the Middle East starting in 2013, the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization has urged countries to step up their quarantining of sick plants. Yet the Pathogens paper confirms that these quarantines, seemingly the only prevention against the spread of the fungus, which can live in soil for up to 50 years, have mostly failed. "It indicates pretty strongly that we've been moving this thing around," says professor James Dale, one of the world's experts on bananas and the director of the Queensland University of Technology's Centre for Tropical Crops and Biocommodities. "It hasn't just popped up out of the blue."
The finding seems to confirm every banana grower's worst fear: that the Cavendish will go down the same way our old favorite banana did. A century ago, Americans ate only Gros Michel bananas, said to have more complex flavor and a heartier composition than today's Cavendish variety. Then, the monoculture fell prey to the fungal disease Tropical Race 1, or "Panama disease," which wiped out the crop around the globe. There was nothing anything could do to stop it.
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Noting the anti-GMO movement's unethical attacks on research of the banana developed to contain more vitamin A, as part of an attempt to save lives, this story seems somewhat relevant, even if it's a couple months old.
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HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Ludicrous projections are, well. Still just ludicrous projections.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)Maybe the banana technicians & corporate managers haven't yet figured out what chemical toxins to spray on their GMO bananas (so they can maximize profits from secondary inputs) but chances are they will. The big bucks are in the chemical inputs.
Here's the GMO glyphosate universe in a nutshell (or banana peel):
"Glyphosate-resistant crops represent more than 80% of the 120 million ha of transgenic crops grown annually worldwide..." http://www.agbioforum.org/v12n34/v12n34a10-duke.htm
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)
Glyphosate resistance is not a trait being employed here. You are convoluting different traits, simply because the technology utilized to create them is the same. That does not make sense.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)welcome to DU!
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hunter
(38,313 posts)But the English speaking world has known this since at least the Great Famine of the 1840s, Other cultures have known it much longer, even the pre-corporate, pre-imperial English.
Some of those wonderful agriculture corporations that fund genetic modifications thrive on monoculture. They call it "market share" and other fucked up unsustainable Wall Street economic bullshit.
But if one crop fails it's a pretty good idea to be growing other crops that won't fail. It's also a good idea to have a wide variety of home-grown seeds on hand, adapted to the quirks of the local environment, ready to plant next season just in case that delivery from Monster Seed Inc. gets put on hold for some unexpected reason.
I'm not going to cry for the Cavendish banana. I will cry for the workers in those plantations whose lives go from suckage to worse suckage, all for market "efficiency" and "productivity" that have no relation to scientific reality, but are in fact the practices of a bizarre religious cult that is destroying the very environment that supports humankind.
No technology is going to save any of us from the consequences of our collective stupidity. We'll burn more fossil fuels, we'll continue with our ignorant (but very "profitable" agricultural practices until one way or another it's our turn to be kicked in the head by Mother Nature, just like all the people on the Cavendish banana plantations are getting kicked in the head right now.
Someone is always dangling a fucking "technological fix" in front of our faces, even as they are tearing the place apart and pissing on us. Things on earth are already incredibly horrid for the non-human people we share the planet with, people like orangutans and orcas, and already horrid for billions of human people living without any prospect of a better world for themselves or their children, except of walking or taking a dangerous boat ride to some place that might not be as bad.
I hate to disparage innate (and often deadly) human optimism, but technology isn't inherently good or evil, and all of it has unintended consequences. We always seem to be just so surprised when our clever "solutions" to problems turn out to be the next problem, a problem that's even worse.
Ultimately there is hope. Exponential population growth in a species always ends. We can end it on our own terms, in the most gentle, humane and rational way we can, or we can do nothing and let nature do the job in her usual grim manner, which in traditional human societies also involves a lot of fighting between and within tribes.
Oh well, maybe I should get serious about my guitar playing. Maybe I can someday be like this guy:
Or maybe, at least, my skull could decorate some monster truck. This blood bag put up a good fight, he did!
But let's be realistic. My basic nature is crazy homeless guy. Maybe that's a survival skill in rough times. Maybe I shouldn't have changed majors in college from engineering to evolutionary biology. I could be dreaming of genetically engineered rice, fusion power plants, and spaceships, but instead I'm looking around thinking, "oh no, not this shit again."
This planet has seen many of innovative species come and go. We're just one more.
It sure would be nice if we humans could simply be kind to one another and all those other species we share the planet with. Wouldn't it be great if all those people working on pesticide drenched Cavendish banana plantations could now find better things to do?
Ah, fuck it, what kind of dream is that? Let's genetically engineer a cure because bland boring bananas at 79 cents a pound are the most fucking important thing in this Biggest Baddest Banana of the world's banana republics.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... And are privileged enough to not care.
hunter
(38,313 posts)I've lived most of my life in the eye of the storm. I can walk a few minutes in one direction to strawberry fields drenched in pesticides, grown in soils that have always been treated with methyl bromide, I can walk a few minutes in the other direction to places where immigrant farmworkers, multiple families and unrelated people, live crowded into fifty year old single family homes, and some of their kids become violent gangsters.
My kids got free lunches in school, not because we couldn't afford lunches, but because so many kids qualify for free lunch it's not worth the effort to collect money from those who can pay.
The older brother of one of my kid's childhood friends just got sent away to prison for life for a drive-by shooting. He missed the gangster he was aiming for, but killed a little kid in the house behind him. Down by the creek there's a huge camp of homeless people, a surprising number of them veterans.
There's evidence that some pesticides are linked to developmental disabilities which increase violent behavior. Just like lead.
That's right here in the U.S.A.. I'm pretty sure the banana plantations of less developed nations are even rougher places.
Disruptions in the market for 79 cents a pound retail monoculture bananas isn't the problem, genetic engineering of some resistant cheap banana variety is a bandaid on a huge gaping wound.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You really think you are discussing the OP?
Start your own OP, if you don't want to discuss this one. Thank you.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)Well said, Hunter. Thank you for your comment. As you observe, there are many - including many here on DU - who do not want to know, or who think for one reason or another that they cannot afford to know.
Avidyā is a Sanskrit word whose literal meaning is "ignorance", "delusion", "unlearned", "unwise" and opposite of, Vidya.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Hunter is attempting to discuss something other than the OP. This is typical behavior at DU any time the possibility that GE tech could be used for good. The fact that he!'s been called out for that, does not mean anyone is ignoring any other topic.
Also, your ludicrous fear-mongering meme convoluting hormones with GMOs tells everyone that you don't understand any of this, and that you will do anything to promote your emotion-based views.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Not even sure how saving the banana is good or bad. Save it from what? We'll just end up eating it.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The rest of your post is just bizarre. Where is this supposed emotion in the OP? Did you bother to read the whole article?
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)It's in the title. We wouldn't be saving the banana for the banana's benefit. We don't actually care about the banana. We wouldn't leave it on the tree or anything. We just want to eat it.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You took one line out of context, and failed to note that the pronoun used shows that the emotion part is not valuable. Also, you ignore the part about feeding people.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Feeling strongly about a banana. Nobody rationally loves a banana. It tastes good. That's all.
Where did I ignore anything about feeding people? I said we just want to eat it. We're not saving the banana for the banana's sake.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Sheesh.
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)specifically, to develop other varieties of banana to replace the Cavendish.
Developing other varieties likely will not replace the Cavendish but would diversify and reduce the chance and trauma of future catastrophic loss of a major cultivar.
The fungus that is destroying the Cavendish is a symptom of a monoculture with narrow genetic diversity.
I am personally not anti-GMO but I am pro-GMO with thought.
There is still a place for traditional plant breeding programs and alternative cultivation and pest management systems.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)So what's your point?
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)For once
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Perhaps you could acknowledge that reality for once.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)same (uninformative) talking points over and over.
You have yet to show any expertise in this area, yet you post ad-nauseum about it. It is sad really.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:26 PM - Edit history (1)
That doesn't make it ok to ask me to repeat what is already known. Monoculture is part of the problem, but that is not an issue with seed development technologies, for example. Thus, the convoluted attempt to paint a technology in a negative light with unrelated concerns is in evidence again.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You can pretend all you want to pretend...
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)just to post an article from 2010.
How sad.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And the article is still accurate, despite the fact that you refuse to recognize that reality.
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)is the title of the article and your post.
Commercial bananas have already been "saved" once (and for 100 years) without genetic engineering.
There are issues regarding over-reliance on gmo crops.
GMO crops are not the sole answer to anything but another more complex risk factor.
That said I am in favor of gmos and gmo research but not in reliance upon gmo crops for corporate agriculture.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:26 AM - Edit history (1)
Thus, your multiple red herrings fail to be of any value in an actual discussion.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... Who's hand is inside your sock.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I was spot on with that one.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Yeah, it is funny.
Sad.
But funny.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)Watch those socks. You're not fooling anyone.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)Yummy. Inedible seeds and mush.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Indeed. I was in my mid-30s before I discovered that bananas have flavor, in Hawai'i. They have several local varieties, of which the most popular is the "apple banana", which does not taste at all like apples. A friend had an ice cream banana plant in his yard; no, they did not taste like Ben & Jerry's, except possibly Chunky Monkey.
This has been known for some time. Why is there not another variety waiting to take over for the Cavendish?
Factoid: The demise of the Gros Michel gave rise to the song "Yes, We Have No Bananas".
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:03 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35131751On edit: It is interesting that, in an era where boutique groceries are all the rage, no one has pushed for more acreage of other bananas. Whole Foods could make quite a tidy profit, I'm sure.
bananas
(27,509 posts)As others have pointed, the real problem here is monoculture.
The GMO approach is another monoculture, which will inevitably succumb to a similar fate.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)GMO is a term used to describe plants developed using GE technology. Monoculture is a separate issue, and other seed development technologies can be used to develop seeds that are utilized in monoculture farming. In fact, the Cavendish is an example. Convoluting issues to falsely demonize a valuable technology serves no positive end.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)In fact it could be used and has been suggested to be used to creat genetic variety in the Cavedish banana to prevent this situation from happening in the future.