Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
32 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Memo from the powers that be: (Original Post) mia Mar 2016 OP
then we will just have to take it from them. litlbilly Mar 2016 #1
You know what power we have? We can vote. upaloopa Mar 2016 #2
We could if we could get a progressive in the WH but Clinton isn't interested in any of those rhett o rick Mar 2016 #3
You are wrong. I can't say it any clearer. upaloopa Mar 2016 #4
She is beholden to the rich and super-rich. They didn't make her wealthy so she could rhett o rick Mar 2016 #5
they do not care SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #6
I know. Oblivious to those among us struggling because of the ravishes of the capitalistic excesses rhett o rick Mar 2016 #8
Yep, impervious to facts. kath Mar 2016 #13
That's how I felt about Obama in 08 zeemike Mar 2016 #15
I happen to think he got a lot done. nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #22
Well said. I could not agree more. nt Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #27
Here is the one issue! TPP DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #17
You are right, of course. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #9
Its a tragedy really since the whole thing rests on 2020 making 2016 as critical or more so. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #11
RNC member: ‘Political parties choose their nominee, not the general public’ mia Mar 2016 #7
But got to start at the bottom. mwooldri Mar 2016 #10
Still confusing "Dem" with "Liberal" I see. gcomeau Mar 2016 #19
If voting really accomplished anything in controlling TPTB, it wouldn't be legal. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #30
Like Carlin said ... lpbk2713 Mar 2016 #12
Nailed It billhicks76 Mar 2016 #14
Right. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #23
Reply to the powers that be . . . Jack Rabbit Mar 2016 #16
... +1 In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #32
Power will never be voluntarily ceded... Wounded Bear Mar 2016 #18
As many have already posted... PFunk1 Mar 2016 #20
doesn't cost them a dime that is why. watch out if we come after the money/power. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #21
Hillary is running on social issues for the most part. Abortion rights do not cost the corporations JDPriestly Mar 2016 #24
bingo Hiraeth Mar 2016 #26
Well said. mia Mar 2016 #29
Ok MohRokTah Mar 2016 #25
"If voting really made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it." Mark Twain NT Ex Lurker Mar 2016 #28
We'll give THEM LiberalElite Mar 2016 #31

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. You know what power we have? We can vote.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:54 PM
Mar 2016

We can elect a Dem President

We can elect a Dem Senate.

We can put Liberals on the Supreme Court.

We can overturn Citizens United.

We can win State Legislatures

We can redraw the election maps

We can take back the House

We can get tens of millions involved


All starts with voting in November. And takes years of involvement.

We out number them

But it means nothing if we don't vote.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
3. We could if we could get a progressive in the WH but Clinton isn't interested in any of those
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:00 PM
Mar 2016

that you've listed. She is interested in amassing more and more money and power.

We out number those that side with Clinton and the Ruling Class.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. You are wrong. I can't say it any clearer.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:05 PM
Mar 2016

Any real look at Hillary's life show's how concerned she is for other people. But some of you will just have to wait and see for yourselves.

What I think is that you all have invested in Hillary all the negatives you are fighting against. You needed a foil and she is convenient.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
5. She is beholden to the rich and super-rich. They didn't make her wealthy so she could
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:13 PM
Mar 2016

champion the lower classes. She is one of them, she has proven that amassing huge wealth is her top priority. We can look at her life and she fought for power at the expense of the lower classes. She is against medical marijuana. That should show you that profits of big pharm are more important to her than helping elevate the pain and suffering of those that need it. Here is what Black Lives Matters said about her:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”


She is not the friend of the AA community. She is not a friend of the lower 99%.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. I know. Oblivious to those among us struggling because of the ravishes of the capitalistic excesses
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:37 PM
Mar 2016

of the Ruling Class. They believe that the wealthy are anointed by god to take care of us in the lower classes.

The revolution is in progress but won't be televised by the Ruling Class Media. We will drag the corrupt oligarchs from our government and throw them in the streets. I don't support violence but I think we can do it non-violently.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
15. That's how I felt about Obama in 08
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

Any real look at his life showed me how concerned he was for other people...I bought into the hope and change thing...and I waited to see it happen for myself.
After 4 years I thought for sure after he did not have to run again that change would come...fooled me again.

Now the sell job is even greater...and much harder to believe.
Not going to happen this time.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
17. Here is the one issue! TPP
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:35 AM
Mar 2016

If she votes for the TPP, even a slightly modified one, then she's not for the people.

After the TPP, the votes of the people in many countries won't do a thing to move the needle.

Because any move towards socialism in those countries will result in law suits from corporations.

Oh and didn't Hillary call TPP the Gold standard? Making Goldman Sachs the standard bearer for the world.

mia

(8,361 posts)
7. RNC member: ‘Political parties choose their nominee, not the general public’
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:34 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027690162

Washington Post:


Curly Haugland, a Republican National Committee member, says the nomination process is pretty straightforward: The party, not the voters, chooses the nominee.

In an appearance on CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Wednesday morning, Haugland, a North Dakotan and current member of the RNC's Rules Committee, said that any assumption otherwise is misguided.

"That's the problem: The media has created the perception that the voters will decide the nomination," he said. He went on: "Political parties choose their nominee, not the general public, contrary to popular belief."


Technically, and historically, he's right, but I think we can imagine where this will be going...

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
10. But got to start at the bottom.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:04 AM
Mar 2016

First the "dog catcher's" race. Then the City Council. Then County Commissioner. Then State House & Senate. Then State Governor.

Go from ground up. It's the states that draw the electoral maps. Here the local politics have been getting more Republican than anything. Of course having Republicans take control of the NC House and Senate didn't help, plus them redrawing the electoral maps... plus them sticking their nose into local affairs by re-doing Greensboros' city electoral boundaries... plus wresting control of Asheboro's water system away from the city and Charlottes' airport from the city council... so they're heavily Democratic may be co-incidental to their so-called "improvements".

A local tv station here has a slogan: "start local, stay local." Same thing needs to happen with Democratic Party politics.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
19. Still confusing "Dem" with "Liberal" I see.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:45 AM
Mar 2016

Not. Synonyms.

And the Democratic Party is absolutely intent on nominating the candidate who spent the primary trashing liberal policy positions for president.


That isn't taking your power back, that's prostrating yourself like a good peon. And I refuse to be complicit in supporting it.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
14. Nailed It
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

The real issues are wealth disparity, mass incarceration, a massive drug war that rules society whether dumbasses realize it or not, surveillance and wars and more wars and rumors of wars.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
16. Reply to the powers that be . . .
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:34 AM
Mar 2016

We don't need your permission have a black president
We don't need your permission to recognize that gay people have and have always had equal rights
We don't need your permission to elect woman president.
We won't wait for your permission to elect a socialist president.

We dont expect you to give up power.
We are just going to take it away from you, because you're a bunch of fuck ups bereft of the wisdom to use it properly,

PFunk1

(185 posts)
20. As many have already posted...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:48 AM
Mar 2016

If you don't cede power peacefully, you've eventually have it taken from you by force. And I fear we're headed for the latter and probally within my lifetime.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. Hillary is running on social issues for the most part. Abortion rights do not cost the corporations
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:11 AM
Mar 2016

a cent. Higher taxes to pay for free tuition to state colleges and universities -- does.

Single payer health insurance will be cheaper for most taxpayers but will cost people who invest in health insurance companies some money so that idea is off the platform.

Gay marriage -- doesn't cost anything so Hillary recently decided to support it.

Raising the cap to fund Social Security -- costs something so just wait Hillary will find that impossible to do.

Protecting the environment will cost money so Hillary is weak on it.

So will changing our justice system and Hillary was positively arrogant when meeting with the Black Lives Matters emissaries.

Over and over, Hillary placates her voters on social issues (which are important, I grant you) but says no to the economic issues.

That's why she supports maybe a $12 per hour minimum wage but won't got to a marginally livable $15 per hour.

Bernie is way ahead of her on the economic issues. She shies away from them. She knows what the wealthy and powerful want and she is on their side.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Memo from the powers that...