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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhich former republican said "I'm proud to be a Democrat" today?
Elizabeth Warren on MSNBC.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,783 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Oh wait, that's only Hillary.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,783 posts)People can honestly and legitimately change their minds about a lot of things. However, when a strongly-expressed opinion suddenly morphs into the opposite position, just coincidentally while that person is running for office, you have to wonder whether it is a true evolution or merely political posturing for an audience. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/
Orrex
(63,218 posts)EVOLUTION!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,783 posts)and has always voted with them and supported Democratic principles? That independent?
Orrex
(63,218 posts)I mean the Independent who joined the Democratic party once it suited his convenience.
Maybe he saw an opportunity to benefit from the party's electoral apparatus. Why would a proud Independent not proudly campaign as an Independent? Did he "evolve," perhaps?
When it's over, will he "evolve" back into an Independent?
If Clinton had tried such a maneuver, she'd be called out for carpet-bagging.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,783 posts)because that's exactly what she did. She ran for an open senate seat in New York despite having no prior connection with that state because New York is where the money comes from. Arkansas wouldn't have got her where she is today because she wouldn't have been able to hobnob with the likes of Lloyd Blankfein.
Bernie ran as a Democrat because our stupid political system does not make it possible for third party candidates to be anything but spoilers. He didn't want to be a spoiler and hand the election to the GOP, but he wanted to offer a progressive alternative to Hillary's squishy center-right No We Can't politics.
Orrex
(63,218 posts)LisaM
(27,817 posts)And by all accounts, she was strongly encouraged to run by Daniel Moynihan.
Geeze, is everyone who moves going to be considered a carpetbagger? Didn't they buy their property there before she ran? I know Bill had planned to set up his office in Harlem before he left office.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)day she basically said 'I support it now' without any detail nor insight into her 'evolution'. She also 'evolved' when to do so was advantageous and clearly so. I compare that to President Obama who not only spoke in detail about his change of position he incorporated his own family members into his story of growth and most importantly he did this just before he stood for reelection. Many DU Straights were sure he could not do that and win the election but President Obama put his own job on the line and it very much might not have been advantageous to him. Even if it was a small risk it was a risk taken for the sake of equality and progress and that's why President Obama is so well loved. He came in like an opponent in his first term and by the second he was the fierce advocate he promised he'd be.
Profoundly meaningful that he acted prior to the election. That action was him actually standing with us, come what may.
That's not what Hillary has done at all. Also this past weekend she demonstrated a disturbing ignorance about HIV/AIDS history and the villainous actions of the Reagans. She claimed they were heroes when in fact they presided over a genocide of neglect.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)It's that she kept the exact same positions and beliefs when she did and merely changed her party identification, going on to degrade the bedrock principles and values of her new party.
Going from being a wolf dressed like a wolf to a wolf dressed like a sheep isn't evolution, it's mimicry.
If her values and positions were Democratic values and positions, I'd be as happy to have her as I am to have Elizabeth Warren in our party. Hillary was a Republican that became a Democrat then promptly started working to remake the Democratic party in the image of the moderate Republican she used to be. That's unacceptable.
merrily
(45,251 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)DWS.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)She was a Republican until she was 18. At 18 (you know, legal voting age), she registered Democrat. She was in her second year of law school when they met.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)this is just an inane OP. Barking up an idiotic tree.
I'll take that point.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Children often do misguided things.
It's the constant "Hillary was a Goldwater Girl" BS that keeps the "Elizabeth Warren was a Republican for 30 years" meme going. If it's bad that Hillary supported Goldwater as a kid, then it's even worse that Elizabeth Warren voted for Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush.
Or, you can just chalk it up to personal growth on both parts. That's what I do.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)War, Wall Street, banksters, trade, prision industry.
"It was a mistake" ad infinitum. Somehow, she doesn't have to defend all of her mistakes but every other candidate did, even Fiorina. An impressive resume on paper, but comes undone once you delve into the results and outcomes. And yes, I chose a woman, because everyone except Hillary's supporters think women are fair game. Hillary is a 24 year policy gaffe factory.
You're arguing with the wrong person.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal; introduced Arkansas's Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
Yup, this screams Republican!"
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)look at the policies that separate the Third Way from Progressives. This shit isn't difficult. People who like the Clintons are DLC Third Way Dems. OWN IT.
surrealAmerican
(11,362 posts)She was born in 1947, which means she turned 18 in 1965. The voting age wasn't lowered to 18 until 1971.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I forgot that 21 used to be the legal voting age. She didn't register until she was 21. But she was a Democrat in law school.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)She's proudly helping drag it back to conservatism, too. Lovely...
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)I think that would have been news.
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)Hillary is raked over the coals for being a former Goldwater girl. Eons ago!
Double standards?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Your OP is failsauce.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Warren is a treasure.
MatthewStLouis
(904 posts)I literally love Elizabeth Warren! Thank the stars we have her!