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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWillyT has been banned.
This isn't a grave dancing post, just an informational one.
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MIR Team (EarlG) banned WillyT
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Reason:
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives". The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.
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redstateblues
(10,565 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That a group of voters may be supporting someone who consistently votes against their interests? It may be presumptuous to assert people don't know what they are doing but calling it racist belittles actual racism does it not? I have heard many African-American leaders and activists agree so it's hardly seems out of bounds. People get swindled and hoodwinked into supporting counterproductive candidates all the time. Many agree Hillary is exactly one of these. I didn't read the post but the description just seems like more vitriol from haters from the Hillary camp.
bvf
(6,604 posts)
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)influence and, outrageously, making excuses for someone who participated in and even encouraged incessant partisan group attacks on black voters -- and especially our own black members - prove that this was a necessary, and enormously overdue, ban.
Shame on all the people who want it back. This was always wrong.
dchill
(38,520 posts)All the race cards have been dealt from the Clinton deck.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)
still_one
(92,372 posts)that the Admins new rules were carte blanche that anything goes, he really blew it
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)thats usually correct. Certain people would rather be banned than quit their membership. Course in the long run it's stupid because your name remains usually as well as all your posts. In the other instance your name is ______ and your posts go away as the age of the thread gets older...
still_one
(92,372 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)suspects was after Willy and is now gloating about Willy. I will miss him.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a similar post, in the not too distant future ... from a low post count member.
LuvLoogie
(7,022 posts)Gothmog
(145,489 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)like progressives. Rascism used to silence those that don't follow the right worldview.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
Squinch
(50,993 posts)
sheshe2
(83,862 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I didn't read the post. But I bet many anti-racist activists wouldn't believe a word of this. We have all witnessed firsthand the lies and misrepresentations from the Hillary camp.
Squinch
(50,993 posts)of something you are completely ignorant about.
Typical bro.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Tells me all I need to know.
Btw the owners of this site are the finsl judge here and they felt it was a racist op.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)
Sid
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)You're defending someone for posting something that you claim to have not read? Really?
"GO TEAM! "
"Yes, I'll have some Kool-Aid, Mr. Jones"
"He may be a bastard; but, he's OUR bastard"
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And I've seen enough boy who cried wolf lies to be extremely suspicious. I've seen people here called sexist for not supporting NSA or the Iraq War. Ive seen people called racist for saying a group of people aren't voting in their own interests. It may be presumptuous to assert people don't know what they are doing with their vote but racist? The belittles actual racism. Many people get hoodwinked into supporting a candidate that screws them over. I can't read the op because it's gone. I will say this though. As I minority I will never support a candidate that voted for mass incarceration. It's one of my biggest issues and one of the most evil things one can support doing to a people.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)That's pretty... well ... silly.
And, WTF is "ACTUAL RACISM"? That comment, especially when directed to, a Black person, is silly, as well ... your "minority" status, not withstanding.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Just saying what I've seen. Many people have been personally attacked on DU when it wasn't warranted. It's their fault if people are skeptical now. Is someone calls a person sexist for not supporting Hillarys NSA or War votes then I assert that's not "actual sexism". Actual sexism can be a multitude of things I hope you agree. The same would go for racism right? Or is the whole point just to suppress the discussion. I've seen it so bad that I seriously could see some of the usual suspects calling MLK racist or Angela Davis sexist. It just demeans the whole process. I didn't defend the post. I merely commented on what else I have personally witnessed.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that your don't have the first idea about. That is silly.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)But you are entitled to your opinion.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Not surprising I guess. I know one thing...I never thought I would see the day that Bernie is labeled a racist which has occurred by your allies on numerous occasions. I recall very clearly when Hillary smeared Obama as being a radical Muslim in a turban. This is directly tied to the fact that he is Black and that imagery was exploited by Clintonites many of whom I would match my own involvement with civil rights against theres any day of the week. I like your comments mostly but not always but some of the company you keep makes me scratch my head. Of course I will vote for Hillary against Trump but I will hold my nose and be disgusted with myself. I will also fight for true liberals afterward which of course will be in direct opposition to that war-mongering, mass incarcerating liar. I will probably go back to supporting direct actions and protests in the streets where the only change ever occurs. I do know that many people I know will leave the democratic party and start a progressive party. Just the way it is and well deserved.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Bernie has never been labeled a racist, except for the straw man that his supporters built in order to deflect from Bernie's campaign's failure to connect with the Black electorate. Saying/noting that Bernie's platform/worldview prioritizes economic justice over social justice is NOT calling him a racist; saying/noting that Bernie's platform/worldview resonates most strongly among young, white, educated, higher than the median incomed males is not calling Bernie a racist; hell, saying/noting that Bernie comes off as racially clueless/clumsy is not calling him a racist.
All of that is irrelevant to this discussion.
I'm sure no more than your blind defense of the latest fallen hero of DU:progressives, has me scratching my head.
That is good. And I thank you for your vote, should HRC in deed win the nomination. I will do the same should Bernie win the nomination, minus the histrionics and characterizations.
Great. Maybe, we can form a coalition; but, honestly, I think that is more talk than fact. Building a party is hard work ... certainly more difficult than post stuff to the internet.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)My biggest issue besides economic inequality and corruption is the perversion of the justice system. Mass incarceration and the drug war is what makes us a police state and mass spying is the tool as it is at the highest levels of our society where people's private data is used to blackmail them. Judges judge a certain way, journalists write a certain way, generals attack a certain way, attorneys argue a certain way, activists protest a certain way etc etc when they have personal information leveraged against them. This is why you see so many inexplicable flip-flops these days. Its called blackmail and it affects our leaders as much as it does low-level drug distributors. Our society is cracking. I have been around long enough to know Hillary is as much a part of the problem as any Bush (who she fawns over and is proud to be called an honorary member of their family). And Bernie was labeled a racist by many Clintonites on DU so you are wrong. And it is relevant that she exploited racist imagery against Obama in 2008...you are wrong there too. I'll be curious to see if the national security establishment takes out Trump. Bernie can still win as can Hillary and either will defeat Trump although Hillary has a bigger disadvantage there. The Rethugs are going to run a 3rd Party candidate. A lot can happen and Im curious what would happen if Clinton's email scandal gained more traction. I doubt it will because she is the only real ally of the security state left and they would be shooting themselves in the foot going after her. But the law is the law...just ask Petraus.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I have found that results are often directly related to personality. People tend to not support those they find "difficult" ... But I don't see how that is related to this discussion. 
Nor, this:
Bullshit ... post a link to support your assertion. To avoid embarrassment, that post/link should probably not be a that of a Bernie supporter "interpreting" the "inference" of someone.
How can I be wrong about what I have not spoken on? (See the above, re: Bernie supporter "interpreting" the "inference" of someone.
Opinions vary.
And that's good thing for Democrats, and for me, personally, as it make easier the path for a Democratic presidency ... though it might make negatively affect the down ticket races.
There is a huge difference between what Petraus did and what HRC did ... I think it sad that the left, can't make the distinction; but, any port in a partisan storm, right?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You said it was irrelevant about Hillary parading the photos of Obama in a turban in your annotated notes on my post. And Im not going through thousands of comments but I assure you Hillary supporters labeled Bernie racist during the BLM tangles. Many times in fact. Maybe not you but many did. Ive also seen people called sexist simply for not agreeing with Clinton...often.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Hillary is irrelevant to THIS discussion, i.e., WillyT and his/her racist screeds.
I suspect that's because all you will find is Bernie supporters "interpreting" the "inferences" of others.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Get a life outside of the internet.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
Says the guy/gal that comes into a thread, shouting and stomping his/her feet, with hands firmly over his/her ears. 1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in no uncertain terms that the stuff is racist?
kristopher
(29,798 posts)If you'd prefer to reply via Pm that would be fine.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Can you explain why the claim about "Plantation mentality" is considered racist (when said by a white person)?
Most PoC and Progressives, and even DU:progressive, are in near unanimity on that.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)But I can surmise what it's trying to describe. I don't see how either is racist in and of themselves though. I'm a cultural anthropologist and I can speculate about the reasons it's offensive from that perspective, but I'm not a psychologist nor am I a sociologist; so it would help me if someone who deems it a racist concept could take a moment to explain their personal feelings and thoughts on how it reflects a view that promotes one class of individuals as being better or worse than another?
Again, if you'd rather keep the entire topic off the public forum feel free to PM me.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a cultural anthropologist (presumably in America) that has never heard the term plantation mentality ... Sorry, not buying it.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Look, it's a simple, but personal question. I thought you might be willing to help.
Thank you anyway.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)than understanding.
If you truly have an interest in understanding, as a cultural anthropologist, you certainly have the tools to gain it.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)It isn't possible to learn what you think unless you choose to share. I know this environment isn't one that is conducive to trust, so thanks anyway.
MADem
(135,425 posts)and becomes something else entirely.
I am pleased that the admins lowered the boom. His racist views were hurtful and offensive.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Purge all that disagree.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the fallen hero of DU:progressives, who just hates them some racism ... when they're not excusing it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Silly me. How judgmental!
When people say racist things, I make the grand leap that they are racist.
And noting it, pointing it out, and objecting to it, is NOT "pillorying."
It's taking a zero-tolerance policy to HATE.
People who don't want to be put on your imaginary little "list" and "purged" shouldn't say racist, hate-filled things.
Problem solved.
smh.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Problem Solved.
SMGDH
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)you tried to convince a site that doesn't like progressives that they should listen to you. I give you props for sticking around and not being liked.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)No matter how much they hate the 1%, the oligarchy, and the establishment, or how much dope they want to smoke.
polly7
(20,582 posts)their mates sexist filth? If I hadn't had close friends point it out to me as something that partially explained my own situation, I might still be in it.
Stockholm Syndrome is real .......... you're making a fucking sick joke of it. It applies to many groups of people who have been hurt badly by those in power over them yet choose to remain; you should do a bit of research.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)In the mean time, perhaps you should focus you advocacy and concerns on the white folks that consistently vote for republicans.
polly7
(20,582 posts)that actually DOES affect huge numbers of people (that you obviously can't even bring yourself to consider). Maybe you should do that before you jump up and down for joy seeing someone shit-canned here for mentioning it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)silly you are being?
You tell me not to tell you what to focus on, while reserving the right to tell me what I should focus on?
Go Team!
polly7
(20,582 posts)it wrt to the same claim being made towards many of women, children and men worldwide who remain stuck in circumstances under which they've suffered?
That's not silly .......... it's just plain disingenuous and damaging. You don't want anything to change or improve for millions, I get that - you've got yours. I have no problem whatsoever asking another woman (and I have, many times) why she can't bring herself to leave an abusive relationship and point out that there really is a well-documented reason that may partially explain it. Is it sexist when I do that? Or is that 'silly' to even ask?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I want a lot to change, and am active working to bring those changes about ... and you are correct, I have gotten mine, despite, the racist headwind I have faced.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Exactly how those who don't get any personal benefit by helping women in abusive situations don't care at all about having them allowed the information they may not have, and very much need to be able to even begin to make changes that will help them live the lives they were meant to.
I also believe it's part of the same game that was begun since Sanders first announced - racist, sexist ........ whatever else could be thrown at him and his horrible supporters.
I've done well too, despite the very abusive headwind I faced - partly d/t no-one shutting up those people who helped me realize what I needed to know.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)
polly7
(20,582 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Keep on connecting and setting that fine example of a DU'er....
Proceed....
polly7
(20,582 posts)Give yourself a smile while you're at it though, eh? Might make the 'stupid' go down better.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Ta! 
You can move on now to someone who actually cares to hear what you say. Not sure why you are trying to engage me.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I usually smile too .... and I actually laugh at comments like yours that make no sense whatsoever. 'Living with stupid for so long'? Wtf does that even mean?
Do you always smile though when you jump in to call people stupid? I think there's a name for that ......
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)
I know you don't get why racists and bigots aren't welcomed in a progressive society (or here at DU)...Maybe you should just not interact with anyone while you work through your confusion. Maybe go have some of that Willie's Tea...on second hand, maybe not.
Have a good one polly, glad I could make you laugh...please hit that ignore button now and get some rest...
polly7
(20,582 posts)I don't think that even you know wtf you're talking about.
You're the one that was 'mad' enough to call someone stupid. Don't you think you should lie down for a bit?
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)
polly7
(20,582 posts)That's fucking awesome. 
Digital Puppy
(496 posts) polly7
(20,582 posts)
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)...bless your little heart!
polly7
(20,582 posts)Yours seems awful tiny.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)
polly7
(20,582 posts)Don't ever play poker, k? (and I'm only telling you this out of genuine concern, honest).
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Is that what you and Willie think about all those poor souls who don't think like you? So great to know you are concerned, thanks very much. Let me go and post some racists stuff to keep up with you and your boy. You guys are great role models!
Let's see: "Can you believe this????" or "Let me just leave this right here!" or "Wow!!!! Look-ee-here"
Now to find some really racists and homophobic stuff to attach to an entire populous or minority group to go along with the subject title... How am I doing? Is that the image you want? Am I doing it right??? Wouldn't want your 'concern' to go wasted...
polly7
(20,582 posts)Get it?!?!?!
No, I wasn't lesser than anyone else, less educated, less able physically or mentally - I was trapped in a hell I thought I'd somehow made for myself and fucking grateful for the 'good' days I didn't get punched in the mouth or thrown into a wall. I actually stuck up for him out of some misguided sense of loyalty.
Look up the definition of the syndrome before you go crapping all over someone for mentioning the term.
Are you denying millions of battered and abused women suffer from the syndrome? If not, are you calling them deficient in some way? Let's get this straight!!!
I find real racists, homophobes and sexists abhorrent - I find those willing to stand by and demonize others for bringing up possibilities for why it might be happening almost as bad.
Are abused women who stay in relationships being demonized if told about a proven phenomenon that just may help them improve their chance at fucking living??
Come on, ........... explain to me how we are.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)It's obvious you didn't follow the thread. What *you* believe is irrelevant...you do not belong to one of the minority groups affected. You think because it's not what YOU believe that others have no cause to be outraged. It's all about you and not the group being victimized. Demanding that I explain to you anything is b.s. It's your job to understand why so many of us were offended by the idiot.
You say others shouldn't be offended or hurt or mad based on YOUR definition. There are enough people on this board to dispute your definition and say they were offended. They told him that in multiple threads over multiple months. He did exactly what you are doing and dismissed that concern....even worse: doubled down like a spoiled child and played victim.
Not sure how you are finding the racist in your life, but I live in black skin so I encounter it regularly. You are defending a racist and that's fine...I'm glad to expose you.
polly7
(20,582 posts)You are SICK.
Anything to run as far away as possible for the proven FACT that Stockholm Syndrome exists in MANY different circumstances and with many different groups. My case is just one example - I thought it might make it a bit easier for you to understand. But someone with not one ounce of empathy or even the desire to understand isn't capable of reason, apparently. It's all about terrible, horrible WillyT!!! for mentioning it.
You are transparent ......... like a fucking window.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)There are plenty who saw what Willie was doing...You choose to bring your interpretation of what and who victims are.
You say transparent like it's a bad thing...you obviously have some crush on Willie and his legacy....I told you fine, you love him and his racist ways...now what? Who are you trying to convince? What is your motivation? Are you trying to get me to change my mind about him? Not going to happen. You mad that he's gone? Take it up with Skinner and EarlG.
polly7
(20,582 posts)My motivation's truth. What's yours, defending decades of harm from 'tough on crime', 'welfare reform', 'super-predator' - 'bring them to heel' and every other harmful thing done to NOT ONLY black minorities? Why? Has hate for Sanders and his life of protesting all of these things for some reason blinded you to anyone but yourself??
Guess what's not going to fucking happen? You convincing me you're in this but for any other reason than to slime anyone who sees vision in Sanders' candidacy. PLENTY of minorities have spoken up wondering the exact same things that the author of the article WillyT copied here did.
Suck it up.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Yeah, going to convince a bunch of people to get on your team with that attitude.
For the record, unlike yourself, I'm not against anyone - except for those trying to explain why I'm sick, ugly and ignorant.
I don't really care about your need to convince me to vote for one person or another. I *do* care about racist, homophobic, and sexist posters running around unchecked. Your attacks in this thread are providing a wonderful example for all to see how rabid Willie's followers are. Contorting yourself to justify his hate speech...bravo. Again, it seems like you have an issue with EarlG and Skinner. I didn't boot him...I'm just glad that he's gone.
You need to chill out, since your hostility toward me is beyond tiresome and your tone is over the top.
polly7
(20,582 posts)
But your 'stupid' was a bit of sweetness and light.
I learned from you .......... that's something. Little game-playing, it's not just for toddlers.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)I guess I should have use that same one when you came crying in this thread about the poor persecuted Willie...sniff, sniff...
So you are saying that POC have a sickness and that it is akin to battered wives because they don't vote for the candidate you like? Please tell me how deep that belief is...
Oh, and just in case you forgot:
http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=109627&sub=trans
polly7
(20,582 posts)No, POC don't have a sickness any more than I FUCKING HAD.
You really are a piece of work.
Puke. You are actually ................. gross.
I have to go run my dog, and then to bed. Try to think of something interesting before I'm back on in the next day or two, ok? If I'm not banned by then for speaking truth to ignorance. You can take that up with whomever you like.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)You? buaahhaaha!! That's a good one! Whatever, man.
I'll be around the next time you try and defend Stockholm Syndrome used to blanket an entire community or equate POC with 'battered wives'.
Playing victim, hunh? Seriously, man, you need to calm down...think about your blood pressure. Did you need me to speak to someone about getting you banned? If you don't want to be here, just leave. If you don't like my gifs, just ignore!
polly7
(20,582 posts)no worries there.
I'll leave when I want to. Tattle to whoever you want to.
The only thing I need is to stop reading your absolute ignorance about real life and desperation in running away from all those Clinton imposed programs that have harmed so many - did you think blabbering on and on would make me forget those questions? I've offered examples of another group of people who've been questioned the same way this OP did about voluntarily choosing loyalty to someone whose practices have harmed their lives directly and indirectly.
The Bernie Bro!, racist!!! shit got old the second it was first trotted out. It was official campaign policy - aren't you the good little soldier.
And I don't even know WillyT apart from reading his posts for years and learning much from them. Where are all your informative posts? Oh that's right ............ you don't have any. 
polly7
(20,582 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts)I've told you my point is to expose racists and homophobes like Willie...You are defending him. Is that why you are posting on this thread?
polly7
(20,582 posts)world. The question is - WHO are you defending??
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)That was easy...now that you know, you can chill and take your nap.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm fine, you tired yet?
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Seriously, if your anger is about poor Willie's Teat, then go talk to Skinner and EarlG. All your faux anger towards people in this thread is making you look more silly than normal. "Millions of victims" LOL...whatever, man.
polly7
(20,582 posts)You're the angry one, remember?
Do you believe the world ends at your borders? Still claim that Stockholm Syndrome is just a 'thing' used to be racist towards blacks (not all minorities, mind you - especially not women)? You never answered any of my questions regarding the Clintons harmful policies - are they not a 'thing'? Shouldn't you be angrier about your poor Willie's 'Teat'? Seems to me they did a fuck of a lot more harm to millions than WillyT's copy and paste article mentioning a medical truth. But ....... like, man ........ whatever.
P.S. Copying strange little gifs to try to run away from real discussion isn't really all that convincing, ya know?
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Just frustrated that I have to deal with a racist apologist like yourself.
I don't have to respond to your non-sequiturs when you have a problem with Skinner and EarlG. Remember, you don't have to convince me....your 'truth' is limited to Willie and the other racists.
P.S. You know you need to get on the gif bandwagon! It will make you feel better and not be so angry!! You should just admit that you miss your boy...it's cool, man...we'll understand!
polly7
(20,582 posts)at the mouth.
Doesn't bother me one way or the other.
Btw ................ how about all those Clinton policies towards minorities questions I asked? Still no answers? (Not sure you're the sharpest knife in the drawer, so don't worry too much if you can't explain how they devastated so many).
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I figured it was better to rip the band-aid off, so to speak, and get it all in one thread.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Pffft. Suspects.
If "suspects" are people who don't put up with racism and sexism at DU, sign me up.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)I can't believe some of the garbage I've read here recently.
mcar
(42,372 posts)
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)greymouse
(872 posts)
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)I've dealt with that for years on here
LisaM
(27,827 posts)I get tired of that, too. All people need to do is give a little respect.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)it's easier that way
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Has been from the start.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)
we can do it
(12,190 posts)sheshe2
(83,862 posts)
William769
(55,147 posts) 1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)yardwork
(61,700 posts)
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)
Racist trolls don't belong here. Their enablers are just as vile.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And plenty of rationalizations from his fan club as to why we should tolerate racist sentiments.
(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as irrelevant and petulant as the other)
angrychair
(8,733 posts)To my shock I learned here in December, it is perfectly ok here to post antisemitic and holocaust-denial websites and their conspiracy theories as long as they are against Sanders. It's just post and comments against HRC that are not allowed.
George II
(67,782 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)I never said that what he posted was acceptable.
but some things are more acceptable than others around here.
George II
(67,782 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...he was taken to task for it. Raising it again and calling ALL AAs "battered wives" obviously was the last straw.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Then, I'm happy to consider myself among the so-called suspects.
Well done Admins. and none too soon. He's been flying too close to the wind for quite some time.
used in his remembrance. LOL!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,018 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)
obamanut2012
(26,111 posts)Then, yes.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's been a while since I've been called a usual suspect, but if it means not wanting racists on DU, I'm in.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the gif in your sig line- is that Jed Clampett? I can't stop looking at it.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)
MADem
(135,425 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)So did Chris Russo and Anthony Hopkins. My buddy who was a Rollins alum told me when the latter came back to speak he asked the dean where he could buy some weed.
MADem
(135,425 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)Suspects of what, exactly? You're apparently referring to DUers who oppose racism and prejudice. DUers who object to using terms like "battered wives" to refer to people of color who choose to vote for the candidate they prefer.
Of what are they suspected? Such opinions are actually quite progressive, after all. So, are they suspected of being progressives?
I don't think your statement is very clear, really. Also, the poster being discussed regularly searched for and posted just about anything available in opposition to President Obama, starting right after his inauguration in 2008. So, are the "suspects" to whom you refer supporters of our Democratic President?
See, I think that phrase is much misused by people who don't actually understand what it means.
I can't say I'm sad to see that poster gone from DU. I stopped reading most of his posts a long time ago. I grew weary of constant attacks on duly elected Democrats from questionable sources.
I suppose I'm one of the "usual suspects" you mentioned. I'm OK with that, though.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I missed this other one, but I think this banning was overdue and well-deserved.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Ah, yes.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts) 
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)
jonno99
(2,620 posts) wryter2000
(46,077 posts)I've met him. He's white.
I'm glad that kind of crap is no longer acceptable here.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)seaglass
(8,173 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)A really good, really fabulous week. 
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)A little early this time but completely expected.
Enjoy your echo chamber where independent thought is discouraged.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)You have someone who received 6 hides in one day, including three 7-0 and two 6-1 jury votes and actually posted "Fuck you! I am so fucking done with this site!" now allowed amnesty and posting pretty consistently yet again.
Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)Trying to keep track of all the background infighting on this website. Very tough to do AND keep track of the important issues.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Then there will be many HRC supporters with more than 10 hides and they'll get a long time off.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)The whole point of the amnesty was to get the Hillary supporters back in here. I don't foresee any time in the future where the policy will change until it favors them.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)We can mock them on their hide counts at least.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)You can not, however, mock us on our delegate count.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Sounds fair....
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)
iandhr
(6,852 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)dchill
(38,520 posts)No. It is not funny. A better description, IMO, would be "symptomatic."
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)alert stalked and tried to bully into silence all the Hillary supporters here?
Or how allergic many of them are to dissent?
Or how they cannot respect the boundaries of a protected group because heavens forbid someone disagrees with them somewhere on the internet - even in a place that is specifically *not* designed for them?
That is rich coming from the Bernie side of DU. Just too rich.
sheshe2
(83,862 posts)Skinner only gave amnestry to Hill supporters? No BSers were on time out?
Wow. that could be read many different ways.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Let's dispense with the notion that Skinner doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Problem is it has to be done carefully because they might need our votes. (She will NEVER have my vote for anything but a vote for "Guilty as charged"
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)
SylviaD
(721 posts)Hekate
(90,778 posts)...it might help with that emotional stress you're having.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)So only Hillary supporters are the bad guys eh? I think it's about even from what I have been reading.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)no.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)hated that we are the majority. They thought purging the most outspoken would intimidate us. Many progressive have left but not because they were intimidated. It's their site and if they want to require everyone to bow before the Clinton Aristocracy, it's their choice.
I hoped to debate issues here but Clinton supporters have never discussed issues except to say they support Clinton's position whatever it might be. She is tough and that's enough.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I assume "here" was supposed to be "had", but that's quite the admission. It shows that Skinner was dead on, and that abuse continues. The hidden posts in this thread make it obvious that Skinner's warning is being ignored.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the alerts, locks and hides. The only people that get banned are progressives. You've declared war on us. We at least had the jury system to keep the bullies at bay. Now Skinner has turned the bullies lose and told them there would be no retrobution for violating Community Standards.
Progressives have an uphill fight for the 99% against the domination of the bullies of Big Money. Why should it be different here.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Funny, both sides accuse neutrals of being on the other side. What a wacky mindset.
But, you just admitted to your side dominating and abusing the jury system. I laugh at your continued claims of being dominated by what you claim is only 20% of DUers.
Either you're completely wrong, your math is really bad, or it's something akin to Stockholm Syndrome that keeps you suppressed.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)
Sid
merrily
(45,251 posts)I jury a lot. I have seen hides on the right that were richly deserved and hides on the right that were ridiculous. However, I have also seen posts on this board and screen caps elsewehere by the right that said they were trying to drive us off the board. So, deliberate baiting from the right was going on. I never saw the counterpart of those posts on the left. And I saw posts on the left that never should have been hidden, too. I saw more posts on the left that never should have been hidden than I saw deserved hides on the left.
So either the left did not always control juries or jurors on the left were shooting down posters on the left for no good reason. I tend to think the latter was not happening.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)
patricia92243
(12,598 posts)that it is not. The admins are very good about changing their mind when it is needed and they see a policy is not working as they hoped it would.
Be patient and don't give up on DU.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)It's ironic that posters with five hundred posts are trashing posters with tens of thousands of posts and have contributed to this site for over a decade...
I have never had a time out but have come perilously close because I am in the minority here when it comes to candidate choice. Some of my friends weren't as lucky.
I still have two hides that are absolutely indefensible marring my once stellar record.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I know blatant racism is.
Not to defend Justin, but the infractions are not in the same league.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)And yes, up until two days ago it was against the TOS. Anyone previously stating "Fuck this site" would have received a tombstone in the past and a hearty, well earned, grave dancing thread.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and people have been doing it for years.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)People have been saying "Fuck this site" for years and sticking around? They have been personally attacking other posters and sticking around? They have been given more than 5 hides and allowed to hang around during a normal suspension time?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)We didn't even have suspensions for the first two years of DU3. People racked up hidden posts well into the teens, and some into the twenties. Darkangel did several "Fuck this site" posts. She was banned for other reasons a few weeks ago.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I didn't know that. Thanks!
Number23
(24,544 posts)I had no idea this person had been banned. Good Lord, I knew she was off big time but that explanation message from EarlG shows she was even more screwed up than I thought she was.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)She's back in at DI, now cheering for Trump.
http://www.discussionist.com/1015773374
If there was any doubt before, there's none now.
Edit: D'oh! You're in the thread.
Sid
kath
(10,565 posts)Feb 8, 2016 Frequently on suspension for getting too many posts hidden by Jury, then sending abusive DU mail messages to other members. Final straw was harassing an Asian DU member with an unsolicited message insinuating that they weren't really Asian.
Gee - many of us know someone whom that description fits to a freakin' T! (Except for the specific details of a specific PM, of course)
Frequently on suspension for too many hides - check (and of her posts that aren't hidden, a large percent of them are posted just to stir up shit. she thrives on it, and has even admitted that she is only pretending to support a certain candidate in order to piss people off.)
Sending abusive DU mail messages - check
many people are aware of whom I am talking about, and we have wondered for months and months why she is still here - especially since, in addition to the 2 "sins" listed for angelfire, she has admitted that she is trolling.
WHY???
Number23
(24,544 posts)as well as endless entertainment to many others. I wonder why many people are still here as well.
So by all means, keep whining about her. Seriously.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Just because it isn't listed here, doesn't mean it's ok. If you post anything which is obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community, its members, or its values, you risk being in violation of these Terms of Service.
If something is voted on by a jury and receives a vote of 7-0 to hide, I would say that the community has found it in violation of this very term. If someone has 6 hides in a day, and only received 8 votes total in their favor, i would say the community has definitely spoken that it violates the terms of service.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)or why.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)It was against the TOS and that poster was put on suspension, which were the terms until two days ago. I didn't say ban the poster, but exceptions to the TOS have obviously been made.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)You don't get to decide what that means.
Admin has been fairly tolerant and consistent in their interpretation and enforcement of the TOS.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)"""
Don't do anything else which is similarly disruptive.
Just because it isn't listed here, doesn't mean it's ok. If you post anything which is obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community, its members, or its values, you risk being in violation of these Terms of Service.
"""
Is comment # 36 not "disruptive" or "malicious" or "repugnant to this community" ?
- 36. Yep. Let the fucking trolls out of their cages and watch the fun. -
"fucking trolls..." = other DU members, yes?
Is that not maliciousness aimed at other DU members?
How about # 52 ?
- 52. You're such a "special" guy. with puke
"smiley" -
Malicious sarcasm, obviously.
And no, I'm not planning to send an alert as some DU members might.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)that I quoted violated the TOS.
You seem to have a good idea so I thought you could share some light on the posts that I quoted. To me, they seemed pretty "malicious" toward DU members and they do not reflect the "values" that DU'ers are to adhere to... Do you agree? Did you read those quotes?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)I do believe you should have had to serve out your suspension though based on the quality of the hides. I can understand some people having questionable 4-3 hides and getting a second look. In your case, you received only 8 votes in your favor over six hides that contained fairly personal attacks. But, that's my opinion which is not shared by many or the administrators.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)But Skinner was gracious and I appreciated the amnesty.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts):pearls clutched:
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)It had to do with the standards of the site. If we are cool with saying "fuck this site" and compounding 7-0 hides with impunity, then hey, let's turn this place into the wild west. Based on this amnesty, I think we can assume that is cool, as long as you support the right person.
Marr
(20,317 posts)The rules are hard and fast for some, and for others, a nice little 'apology' is enough to set things right.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts) Marr
(20,317 posts)The fact is that people of a certain political stripe get much more leeway around here with their offensive posts and hides. I think we'd both acknowledge that right-wing types are easily banned-- and rightly so. But I'd say it extends to the left as well. I think it's fairly obvious, when you look at who gets banned here and who does not over the long haul.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And Willyt was banned for posting a racist op. He was warned.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Is because they are such a high percentage of the posters on DU. Per capita, more will get banned.
Marr
(20,317 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Standards violation.
very many here don't seem to remember that the Community Standards thing exists, or comprehend the difference between the two.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Seven hides in one day, including one telling the poster to go to hell. Not a nice thing from a devout Xstian who truly believes in a place of eternal torment.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)And can you confirm that it was actually seven hides in one day, and not six? That's a record I don't think I'll ever approach.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)I don't regret mine.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)But hey Scott thanks for your good thoughts. I always know you have my best interests at heart.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)I was in fact the only one who tried to get people to pray for you. If they'd actually done that instead of banning me from the prayer circle, you might have made it back even sooner, dude.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)I guess if you are going to go with it, go big.
kath
(10,565 posts),mind you, but piled up one or two at a time to get him to 5)
A good buddy of his, frequently on timeout but just got back from one before the brilliant amnesty went into effect, got a hide last night for a post saying "fuck you". That one also specializes in calling other DUers "motherfuckers" when he is feeling angry.
Then there are the ones who live just to stir the shit here...
Ain't it just great that so many people like this were let loose all at once?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,458 posts)I believe we are going to be discovering 'Flagged for review' is like The Roach Motel: Roaches check in, but they don't check out!!!!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)It all depends on which candidate one supports.
840high
(17,196 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)But the OP that did it is not one I would have ever considered posting. It was bad.
I will still never vote for Hillary though.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Seems progressives and liberals don't like racist and sexist claptrap.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)so long as one supports the same candidate as they do.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)
iandhr
(6,852 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)he has been posting racist and heterosexist stuff for a long while.
Just saying ...
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Looks like many will be leaving us since they hate DU so much, as well as hating our most-likely nominee.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)That's plenty of reason to dislike her, at least when one opposes things like Citizens United.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I'm sure the grass is greener elsewhere.
Once she is the nominee, these type slurs will be frowned upon - or so I hope.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I re-registered only to vote for Bernie in the Oregon Primary. Once that has concluded, I will again leave the Party that has put itself in opposition to progressive policy.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Sounds like this is not the place for you.
Too bad.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)so I try to share my vision on DU in the hopes that casual visitors to the site will see that not all Democrats are in the tank for Wall Street cronies.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I'm on the record here as saying I hope Bernie keeps on going.
I think he's been good for our party, and I do think he can influence Hillary's platform.
I've been very satisfied with our candidates.
I will happily vote for whomever is nominated.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)and then turn around and vote for someone who is taking advantage of it.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hey, the primary race is not yet over.
Though a Hillary supporter, I've been around this old world long enough to know things can sometimes change quickly (and radically).
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)This wasn't a one time 'oopsy,' it was repeated.
Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #17)
Iris This message was self-deleted by its author.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)And the odd part is, they're the ones who strayed from the core principles of the party, and then condemn us for not playing along.
I happen to agree with Willy's assessment. They saw Bill playing his sax, said he was one of them, and fell in love. That last statement is almost word for word what Tim Black said. So it's coming from one who knows.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Oh wait...
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:43 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Really. I guess DU is going to be a ghost town full of Hillary gouls soon.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7693958
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Um... "Hillary gouls". Then proceeds to go on about how he agrees with the nasty post that just got a very long time DUer banned. Over the top, disruptive, and makes DU suck.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:51 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OTT
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I support Bernie, but I think Willy deserved to be banned. He was told by many DUers that his posts about African Americans was offensive, and yet he continued. But I don't see this post as being hide worthy. There is nothing offensive about it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Partisan alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Tough one. But I don't want us to get in the habit of banning anyone who agrees with someone else, even a reprehensible shit-stirrer like WillyT. The whining is getting to be tiresome. Soon we'll have our candidate, though, and the rest can go join Willy in the tavern instead of trying to learn from others.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the unwritten core principles of racism and heterosexism that the party held.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... more than you can count were disgusted by the racist posts and many resented Bernie Sanders being associated with racist garbage (and homophobic, sexist, xenophobic garbage) being posted
one_voice
(20,043 posts)
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)I hear JPR is nice this time of year.
kath
(10,565 posts)just curious. Several articles have mentioned how people of all races have bought in to the Clintons due to all the schmoozing, visits to churches etc, then totally ignore the awful consequences of Clinton policies (advocated by HRC, as well as Bill)
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I thought I could find the exact quote, but these are all ten minutes on average. This is coming from someone who I think knows his subject matter.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TimsTakeLive/videos
ismnotwasm
(41,999 posts)
R B Garr
(16,973 posts)and the rest of the internet survived without the short-lived Bernie bandwagon. Easy come, easy go.
How ridiculous to malign MILLIONS of people because they support the Clintons. Bill Clinton is one of the most popular politicians out there.
clg311
(119 posts)R B Garr
(16,973 posts)The post I responded to was smearing Clinton. How odd you bring up Reagan. He's been dead for 12 years
clg311
(119 posts)popularity doesn't mean you were a good president.
R B Garr
(16,973 posts)obvious irrational criticism. He is popular because he was a good President, among other things. He is one of the most popular politicians out there.
brer cat
(24,594 posts)spewing racist bull$%@??? There is no purge for respectful independent thought, only the vile has no place on this site.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)pandr32
(11,605 posts)I read the post he responded to and the foot fit the shoe just fine.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)As it was about the cat in the sig line, not the topic of the thread.
I think the chips on shoulders are getting much too large, and too precariously balanced.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)...not about the topic at hand. Sorry for the confusion.
pandr32
(11,605 posts) snooper2
(30,151 posts)BUT IS IS COMING FOR YOU!
'The Purge 3: Election Year' (2016)
gollygee
(22,336 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)It's welcome there
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)from a site named DemocraticUnderground, and is open to members of the Left, just because he supports the same candidate as you? How curious for a self-described "progressive".
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Racism not withstanding?
Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)
Post removed
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)You sound like the freepers who were sure Obama would declare martial law and declare himself dictator for life.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Stockholm's syndrome for getting banned.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)but is about a history of scientific racism attached to it. Look up drapetomania, the "mental illness" that caused slaves to escape captivity and the host of remedies for it. The same illness that says we constitute 3/5ths of a vote. The same independent thought run wild that led to re-enslavement of people after Emancipation well past the '30s. To double down, as you're doing, and saying "cult" thinking is still feeding into something heinous no matter how much you want to use Clinton for cover.
It's good that our frenemies are being exposed who think they're leading their dumb wards to enlightenment. We've been over it.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)And both a form of mania not based in rational thinking. Neither passes the test.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)if that's what you're aiming at
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)using the words cult and Stockholm Syndrome is just incredibly rude to describe people's thoughtful decisions about a candidate or that banning WillyT is indicative of a cult and an evil scheme.
I'm glad you were spared the whole reason for this OP. Frankly, the poster I responded to and I understand each other perfectly thru PMs. So I'm very happy.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)because that's a slam on women or gays
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)specific so I have no idea in what context you're using "passive-aggressive" as a tactical argument against women or gays.
spyker29
(89 posts)Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #13)
Post removed
Marr
(20,317 posts)Some people seem to have a much, much harder time getting banned than others.
Iris
(15,665 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)were saying months ago when Sanders supporters started abusing the jury system to run them off DU.
One unapologetic, repeat racist troll has been banned. That's hardly a purge.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Just because they ease into it don't mean it won't happen.
But an echo chamber is what they want...they being the "usual suspects."
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)For some reason some people just can't seem to help themselves and keep talking even when everyone is yelling at them to just shut up for a minute.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have done it myself
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Well, kinda. Thank you!
You good?
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)It looks like after 80 degree days for several weeks we are getting a freeze again this year. I guess it will kill the last of my fruit trees and berry plants. I may just spray Roundup over the whole yard and say to hell with it.
How are things up in the Northern Exposure area? I hope well.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was so surprised because our winter has been unwintry. You are so lucky, I would love to move down South. The weather. I think I might be tired of the cold.
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)Summer this year will be interesting. I have not had a real summer for about 3 years. I grew up in the 50's-60's and summer was 100-120 degrees and winter was a lot of snow and in the 10's - 30's. Now we seem to have an average down here. 40's-50's and 80's-90's. Every so often we may get a 100 degree day or a hard freeze for a couple of days and bouncing back to the 40's.
Nice for the electric bill, but Bees should not be flying around during winter.
Just weird and makes me feel for you younger people at what we left you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Since I live up here I still get cold but I notice the change. I think we will have to move into large climate controlled underground units, eventually after we can no longer go outside.
Maybe we will find a new planet...
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)24 hours a day for 18 months will drive a person berserk. Although I think a lot of people are going to have to rethink a lot of stuff over the next few years. Take care and stay warm.
yuiyoshida
(41,838 posts)again my friend. Looked again for your favoring my tweet on twitter!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I got stuck on du and need to get off!!!!
I posted so much my fingers hurt.
yuiyoshida
(41,838 posts)Well, you know, the cure for hurt fingers is obviously
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I need to go to the store.
yuiyoshida
(41,838 posts)ICE CREAM!!!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)are really making me see people I have respected in a bad way. What is it about this primary that is turning people into flaming assholes? Some say 08 was worse. I was a moderator then, and I don't remember seeing this many old timers go up in self-inflicted flames. I will probably be considered a quisling by some BS supporters because I think we shouldn't be tearing down either candidate, and are going to have to get behind the one that wins.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have seen how unapologetic they are while doing it. That is my problem.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)In the past I have used "what a maroon" in comments here. Someone filled me on the racist background of that- I just thought is was a Bugs Bunny thing. So, what did I do? I stopped using it. It is really pretty simple.
Rex
(65,616 posts)And I would be the last one to throw stones (I've been a foulmouthed demon at times on this site). Actually I am glad to see it, now that 'holier then thou' attitude some push will fall flat with me. I've seen them at their lowest form now.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Of course you justify it in your own minds as striking for righteousness. I would hope that people that consider themselves Democrats would object to mob rule.
DU has rules and methods to deal with people that violate Community Standards, Forum Statements of Purpose and/or the Terms of Service. But that's not as fun as getting together in a group and chanting "racist, racist, ban, ban, ban." Banning because he was an outspoken progressive and to the conservative wing, there is nothing worse.
Response to cyberswede (Original post)
sharp_stick This message was self-deleted by its author.
patricia92243
(12,598 posts)better sense.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)You'd think that posters who spend so much time railing against Citizens United and aggressive wars-of-choice would have better sense.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts) AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)There are a lot of racist and bigoted people out there who have no awareness they are racist or bigoted. They have blinds spots. This is why we have racial tensions that blow up like the Ferguson ordeal. To associate AA voters with the stockholm syndrome is incredibly condescending and bigoted. Just wow. And this coming from a so called progressive. Smh
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TBF
(32,086 posts)I wondered what had happened. 
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)He dredged that up and repeated some of the offensive remarks about AA voters. He deserved to be banned.
TBF
(32,086 posts)but I also realize that discussion has been on DU for quite some time (SS in general). One could argue that most of the country is affected by it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Packaged together as is so often done on the right 'You can have your racism paired with a fine homophobia or a classic antisemitism chosen from our cellars'.
In addition, that OP had many other posts attacking LGBT and defending Reagan. Took great offense that some of us see Reagan voters as bigots, he said 'we're Reagan Democrats!'
I am not a Reagan Democrat. Not even close.
TBF
(32,086 posts)of a long-term poster involved looking at many posts. I was simply addressing the Stockholm Syndrome comment.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)DU Member for: 13 years, 2 months, 22 days
Posts: 72,631
Recommendations: 23,815
Star member: Yes
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
demmiblue
(36,875 posts)Now I am going to trash this thread before more of the arsholes arrive (especially the ones who achieved amnesty).
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)The proper question is who was WillyT.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
revmclaren
(2,529 posts) 
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)They all do eventually.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)had been caught in the middle of crossfire or something! 
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #65)
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BooScout
(10,406 posts) ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)He has a LONG history of it. It's not a PC thing, it's a don't be a racist/sexist asshole thing.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)And some pigs are not judged more equal than others.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)Thank you those who stood up to WillieT. Democratic Underground is slowly becoming the site I was once happy to be a member of thank you all so much
herding cats
(19,567 posts)He was more than a decade and 10's of thousands of post beyond them. It was EarlG who did the deed.
Be sure to buy him a Valentine heart or two next year.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)which is a quote of a message that EarlG sent to MIRT members.
herding cats
(19,567 posts)I just didn't want any confusion on that part cropping up.
MIRT cannot ban long term members at will.
progree
(10,912 posts)[font color = red]On Edit:[/font] I just read the OP again. The title of the email message (if I interpret the OP right) is apparently, "MIR Team (EarlG) banned WillyT"
so I'm mystified. I always thought MIRT banned people below 100 post count and administrators banned those above 100 or somesuch. I guess administrators (like EarlG) are also MIRT members -- just very special ones. Or somesuch.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)and who marched with him in many, many anti-Bush actions, I can say without a doubt that he is a fine and passionate liberal who wants the Democratic Party to be the best Party is could be. He is NOT a racist nor is he sexist.
This is just one more sad day for this site, that a member of 13 plus years and who contributed so much is trashed in such a way.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)repeatedly, even after being told, repeatedly, that the stuff is racist?
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #115)
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cally
(21,596 posts)We need his voice on DU. It's a sad day for DU
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)fine man and is not racist, why did he, repeatedly, post racist stuff, even after being told, repeatedly, that the stuff is racist?
I mean, of course, beyond the celebrity, and now, fallen hero, status that some quarters of DU has afforded him.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)is able to contain it in real life, where abhorrent conduct has real consequences ... beyond the clapping of internet seals.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Seems pretty racist to me.
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iandhr
(6,852 posts)This person posted something that many African-Americans said was offensive and racist. Instead of apologizing he doubled down on the same post. The first time can be chalked up to someone being unaware. You could say something afterwords like "I am sorry if this was seen as racist by some people that was not my intent." Doubling down is intentional. If people of color keep telling you something is racist and you keep repeating it you are a racist. It doesn't matter if you're a "good liberal".
greyl
(22,990 posts)
SunSeeker
(51,662 posts)What you are "in real life" does not ameliorate racist, sexist posts.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)yardwork
(61,700 posts)WillyT defended the Reagans, often in the same posts where he insulted gay folks and African Americans.
His posts are a matter of record here.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Where you one of the people who agreed with the Stockholm Syndrome b.s.?
I have many doubts about him....
"fine and passionate", hunh? Rigghhhttt.......
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I think too many folks have lost all semblance of perspective and nuance or understanding of the challenges of politics in a Democracy.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)this primary season has made me sad.
desmiller
(747 posts) Paladin
(28,271 posts)
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Glad to see him given the boot. Over due.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Do you ever look at your own posts later and wonder what possessed you to write like a bad character from 1984?
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Meantime, have a good weekend.
FreedomRain
(413 posts)I never recced him, and I agree the ban is deserved. But keep in mind he could have been reced by people who just wanted his misbehavior seen.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)SunSeeker
(51,662 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... or genders etc is bigoted on its face.
The number of recs his overtly and openly racist post get is heart braking
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ecstatic
(32,729 posts)
underpants
(182,868 posts)is like getting fired on your day off.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)getting fired on Xmas
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the admins give amnesty, then keep an eyeball on those who were given amnesty. Pretty smart- it is hard to keep track of everybody on such a large site. I guess some people just enjoy shooting themselves in the foot.
Orrex
(63,220 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)
liberal N proud
(60,340 posts)Response to cyberswede (Original post)
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Phentex
(16,334 posts)this made me laugh out loud.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)much less 7-0.
Marr
(20,317 posts)You can't imagine why people might vote to hide a classy comment like, 'bye bye, fucker'?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Why would he deserve our protection, after the shit he's done here? I see it as no different than Skinner saying "PS. Fuck Donald Trump" in his recent announcement.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=5098
Marr
(20,317 posts)And if that alert's results are any indication, my crowd is a little larger.
and maybe it's what Skinner was talking about yesterday.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)obamanut2012
(26,111 posts)He wasn't fooling anyone.
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)on a jury last night.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511519949#post134
He entered that thread five minutes after that post, and his first post in the thread was hidden.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Do you have those jury results?
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)... to the Stalin stage.
Or in American terms.... into the McCarthy era.
So.... who's next, Commissars?
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)Its a bullshit subjective accusation. They are going to purge the fuck outta this place.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)poison.
A reader would have to have a VERY. narrow, small and timid mind to arrive at that deduction.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)He is publishing racist viewpoints he agrees with, that represents his point of view.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)accusing others of Soviet-style purging is just too thick here.
Especially when that socialist's supporters have spent so hard declaring every single person even slightly critical of them counterrevolutionaries and tools of the bourgeoisie/1%, no matter how liberal they actually are.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)UtahLib
(3,179 posts)
struggle4progress
(118,331 posts)We can always use uncompromisingly anti-status-quo voices, that provide detailed analytical perspectives with a careful factual basis -- but mere ideological noise, without much regard for logic, and with only the thinnest factual support is poisonous: it undermines our ability to think lucidly, and it deprives us of the necessary grounding-in-reality that we require to move forward
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Very excellent comment.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)over much less, much sooner.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)Got it.
Hogan's Heroes' stooge Sgt. Schultz: "I see NOTHEEEENG!"
Let me see if I get this straight, sharing with and educating DU members about the observed long-term effects of racism and listing theories about the political effect on a formerly enslaved segment of society is not allowed at DU.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)An alternative.
senz
(11,945 posts)He is hopeful, kind, cheerful and rather innocent. He is so pro-AA that for months I thought he was an AA. I've never seen him be racist and never seen him be sexist, either.
I never understood the local AA offense at Willy's theory that some AA's might have experienced Stockholm Syndrome, because having that syndrome is no criticism of the one who has it. The criticism is of those who abused them. The criticism would be of whites.
I am positive I had Stockholm Syndrome as a child. It took me many, many years to learn to judge and hate my abuser. I don't think having it made me a bad person at all. My abuser was the bad person.
However, based on observation, I don't think very many people who have been abused by whites actually have Stockholm Syndrome. I can't see it, so I don't know what Willy based his theory on. But it is not a bad thing to say to a person. The implication is that some whites have behaved horribly toward nonwhites.
I do not understand the anger by Hillary supporters against him, unless it's simply because he was a Bernie supporter who wrote a lot of OPs. I do not think that is a valid reason to ban him.
He was a sweet person and I shall miss him.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)obamanut2012
(26,111 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)What can I say? I've seen your snarky, insulting posts for months. Never anything thoughtful or interesting, just little digs and putdowns. You do what what you do because you are what you are.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He was told by AAs many times his posts were racist. He didn't listen.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I was on jury. You were exonerated. Good.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)xxx
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)What a charmer you are.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Years ago, he wrote What's the Matter with Kansas?, which explored how people are convinced to vote against their interests. I think it was a fair and legitimate question then, and I think it's a fair and legitimate question now.
The creeping authoritarianism that has descended over these boards and, for that matter, the entire country, is truly chilling.
We have people banned or given "time outs" for bringing up difficult issues or asking uncomfortable questions. How long before DU members are instructed to "shelter in place."?
senz
(11,945 posts)for the present environment. There is a positive hostility here toward any attempt to discuss what's going on at a broader level. I used to think the inability to see the big picture was a rightwing characteristic created through decades of propaganda. It's called "socially constructed reality," and I rejected the notion for ages until acquiescing to its validity. It's entirely natural, has been going on for ages, but can be very dangerous in the hands of the unprincipled, as anyone who's tried to talk followers of Limbaugh, et. al. can attest. Rightwing theorists like Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove, and especially Frank Luntz have almost perfected the art of dumbing people down and handing them ready-made realities. I wish there were a "meta" forum where progressives could talk freely about what's happening to our culture.
That photo of the white rat cowering in a corner of its open cage? It's called learned helplessness. I was there once upon a time. You really can't move. You don't know what to do.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Glad you overcame your inertia, senz!
Here's a shout out to you and to Martin Seligman, too!
senz
(11,945 posts)I had to look up Martin Seligman. He sounds interesting, but what proved helpful to me were the works of Onno van der Hart, Bessel van der Kolk, Pete Walker, and others.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I know a little something about social psychology and social cognitive neuroscience. Not much. But some!
Thanks for the names. Hadn't heard of any of them. (See what I mean? )
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)"Fool" ignore is a wonderful thing.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)
To them, Hillary Clinton is awful and never to be supported, ever.
But a racist troll is to be defended and celebrated.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I, personally, hope a lot of people involved on both sides of this issue reach their last chance sooner rather than later. I'm tired of it. If you can't handle a message board, maybe it is not for you. And far too many of the characters on both sides of this battle can't handle a message board.
Have a good day DU
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)they still exist. unfortunately. and I don't think I'll go any farther on that what with some of the KKK removing their support of Trump and endorsing someone else.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)So I am not going to be rushing to his defense.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Because this odious attitude is counterproductive.
I'm facebook friends with a DNC delegate, and from public postings I've seen from them, they've been inundated with threats from Sanders supporters. Safe to say, this has not endeared them the good Senator.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Rex
(65,616 posts)it came from. Well, people can say what they want to...but just go look at his post and it is horrible. Calling AA folks battered wives and am I to assume it is because of their support for HRC? Fucking disgusting. I expected more from WillyT.
You know...I have kept really quiet lately about who I support, a few people know by now...because so many on this site cannot stand it if you support the other pony! SO MANY.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)He honed his message over the months to focus very specifically on African Americans.
It's too bad it went on for so long.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I am sorry you had to put up with that shit yardwork, I had no idea he was putting out such horrible stuff.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)Thanks for your kind words. You're a good egg.
Rex
(65,616 posts)When I think of some of the better mannered posters on DU, I think of you yardwork and the OP for that matter. What makes me mad is seeing friendly posters get shit on by people that know better. I read a lot of threads by WillyT and had no idea he was under the radar. However I do know there is an intelligent mind inside WillyT's head...so he must have known what he was doing and that leads me to have very little sympathy for him.
If it was some low post count poster, I would just chalk it up to bored Stormfront idiots...but WillyT knew better and I have to say I am really disappointed in his behavior.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but then I have GD Primary, the Bernie group, and the Hillary group trashed for my sanity.
Rex
(65,616 posts)A good call imo. I go and read in both groups and sometimes say high in a few but just hang in GD. Kept my blood pressure down.
kath
(10,565 posts)Willy T's earlier OP about Stockholm Syndrome that caused such an uproar on DU happened sometime in the past year (I'm thinking last summer, but could be off a little on that.)
Willy did not call anyone "battered wives" - the article he posted a portion of and linked to did.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)blame third-party voting for Iraq? they vote for it and endorse Lieberman's sour-grapes run
say the purge will begin? DUers there from the beginning start vanishing
scream that we can't cut the DINOs? they torpedo Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, John Russell, Buono, Lutrin, Rev. Manuel Sykes, Weiland, Wendy Davis, Grimes
yell about voters not turning out? they veal-pen activists and then lose three Congresses in a row
G_j
(40,367 posts)been here for years, seen those torpedoes... fairly consistently
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)I've seen WilllyT's posts over the years here, and I never thought they stood out collectively as racist. Perhaps, I just didn't follow the threads that bore evidence of that, but no one has demonstrated any proof in this thread. What I have picked up, is that he made an unpopular argument with some PoC about Stockholm Syndrome. His banning appears to be over his OP using another's opinion to support his assertion, originally published on Counterpunch.
Now, Counterpunch has been thrown under the bus here at DU more than once, over the years, but it's hardly a white power site. I took the time to look at the author's other pieces there and found this.
The Confederate flag is an emblem of white supremacy bigotry, and its continued use along with all Confederate monuments and names of public places and facilities is an unambiguous affirmation of that bigotry.
All the disingenuous babble about the continued use of the Confederate flag as part of a “heritage” is just smarmy dissembling to essentially beg the world at large to “please respect my bigotry.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/26/the-red-badge-of-bigotry/
Not exactly Stormfront material. So what we have here is a DUer making a bad argument, sometimes rudely, and finding supporting sources, which he ran with. And a mob of DUer's shouting "J'accuse!"
What I don't get, is how are we supposed to discuss and analyze the results of the Black vote in the primaries, without looking for reasons that pertain specifically to that group? The proposed answers may not be popular with that group, but I have yet to hear much beyond "candidate loyalty", with no underlying explanation for it's endurance beyond reason in my, and many others', minds. I do not support the Stockholm Syndrome argument myself; I think it's an overwrought generalization, at best, and understandably insulting to many with good reason for their support for HRC; but it's silly to call it racist, unless you either think it applies globally, or American Blacks are now their own race. They are a voting bloc, whose behavior bears examination as a distinct entity.
It's too bad WillyT couldn't let go of his argument, in the face of such widespread condemnation here, but sometimes we all go so invested in a position here that we lose our sense of proportion. I think DU just lost a good progressive, though.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)When you post something that is roundly condemned, that is offensive to many members, you deserve a warning that such material doesn't meet the community standards.
When you repost it, you're pushing your luck. If I did the same thing I'd expect a ban hammer.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Has been doing so for months. He had been here long enough to know the deal.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)But I will have to consider the advocacy of the DUer's who know him in real life as to whether or not he is a racist, over the "community" that did not consult me, and does not know him IRL.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)His behavior here is what matters. There's no need for anyone to consult you.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)Didn't sound any better from you.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)but it's nice to know we're in agreement.
Number23
(24,544 posts)his and are still defending him in this very thread.
Which is one of the many, many reasons that so many AA posters do not and probably never will consider ourselves part of the overall DU community and are all too happy to consign ourselves to small corners of it.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Admin warns us all not to push our luck in the TOS. WillyT was here long enough to know that.
TM99
(8,352 posts)It was challenging enough to a small but vocal group that enjoys undue sway and influence here though.
I am not surprised he was purged. I expect more 'reasons' and 'excuses' will appear for others to be so as well.
He posted an article that asked the same difficult question that he did in a previous post. If anything, it was confirmation that another minority person recognized some worth discussing or at least worth asking.
I have never seen anything of WillyT's that made feel like he was racist in any way, shape, or form. Never.
He will be missed here but thankfully there are other places now where he will be more than welcome.
Enjoy the echo-chamber.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)And many many other posters, as well.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)In fact, it offended a number of DUers who aren't A/A.
Posting something offensive doesn't mean he's racist. Posting it twice makes him disruptive though and disruptive in a particularly racially insensitive way.
That crap isn't needed here and there will still be plenty of diversity of opinions here without it.
TM99
(8,352 posts)The supposed reason was because it was 'offensive to AA'.
And don't you dare try to 'whitesplain' to me about what is or isn't offensive or should be.
He didn't post it twice. He posted an article from another minority asking a similar question and referencing the same non-racist term.
That you can't even get the facts straight means it was an emotional over-reaction by the posse and nothing more.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)If I were part of an 'overreaction posse' I would hit the alert button on your post full of accusations that you apparently pulled out of your backside.
You seem unclear about what happened. Perhaps you should read the banning message again:
MIR Team (EarlG) banned WillyT
Mail Message
Reason:
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives". The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.
kath
(10,565 posts)This.
It is amazing, and disturbing, how much power some people have here.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Response to cyberswede (Original post)
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onehandle
(51,122 posts)oasis
(49,401 posts) Bon voyage.
Skittles
(153,182 posts)oasis
(49,401 posts)gives me a chance to get an idea of the topic before I reduce the load.
I go way back way early on DU and never used ignore.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)And they squashed mine! Saying "Bye bye Willy T"!
What a peculiar website this is becoming...
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)I have to admit I've had him on ignore for awhile now, he was just so over-the-top. I am sure he's a committed liberal but that's not the only criterion for membership here.
I don't necessarily agree that this is the start of a "purge", we'll have to see.
Sad to see someone go after this amount of time and activity on DU, however there are others with similar time/activity that I wouldn't shed a tear over so that is not a reason by itself not to ban someone either.
This "Stockholm Syndrome" thing is extremely disturbing to me and I don't want to see it on DU. Period.
Warpy
(111,332 posts)He was a good longtime poster driven off the rails by Primary War II.
chillfactor
(7,580 posts)his posts were nauseous....
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)He hurt a lot of people, had zero remorse and learned nothing.
In light of his recently posting history, I cannot help but post this:
And oldie, but definitely appropriate.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Squinch
(50,993 posts) 
Turin_C3PO
(14,033 posts)of his posts over the long years, I'm gonna miss him.
That being said, there really is no excuse to double down on an idea that is very offensive to Black and other Americans. I hope it's something he said due to disappointment over Bernie's performance with AA's rather than truly held ideas. Maybe after the election he can email the Admins and request unbanning conditional on good behavior.
TacoD
(581 posts)
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Multiple times, in fact...
Nickel79
(81 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:34 PM - Edit history (2)
From one point of view, I would say it's certainly racist to address all black democrats as a single voting bloc. The media does this too, and I've always felt it was racist in spirit. There are ultra-progressive black democrats, there are centrist/nearly-conservative black democrats, and everything else in between. Referring to one "color group" as a single voting block is incredibly offensive, and yet, it's incredibly common in American politics.
Where I do agree with him is in being shocked by so many black democrats supporting HRC. What has she done to help minorities? How has she earned that respect? Honestly, I believe she's got nothing more than name recognition. Candidates who have minorities close to their hearts don't support private prisons, the death penalty, corporations that outsource jobs, and destructive foreign policies.
senz
(11,945 posts) Nickel79
(81 posts)Just speaking from the heart.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)As to single blocks. Some folks do it, with all minorities by the way. Oh and I agree, it misses the complexity within cultures and communities.
As to tje rest, I fear that issue is almost verboten on this site, never mind it is historically accurate
Nickel79
(81 posts)by people like Hillary supporters who think I'm not smart enough - obviously because of skin color - to do my own research and make my own decisions. I need to be coddled and guided in the right direction, "for my own good." It's unbelievably insulting, and unbelievably racist. Fortunately, I've got more education than most of them so that usually shuts them down. Hillary has done zilch for me or people like me, and her sudden move to the left is nothing more than a plea for coronation.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)To my shock and surprise I was born in Iowa, not Mexico City...yeah, it is that ugly.
We cover minority issues. You know this because you live it, but the discussion on democrats has started within the AA community in earnest. At least locally it is starting to divide folks. Again, this is verboten here.
The DNC is in for a surprise IMO. If not this term, relatively soon minorities will start to demand more, if you get my drift, or change voting patterns. I hear the rumblings locally. This happens with party realignments though
Nickel79
(81 posts)part of what you're highlighting is why so many in minority communities are disenfranchised. We feel used for votes. Our children are used for stage props. Then when it comes time for action, there are other "more pressing issues."
"Hey folks, vote for me because I'm the one who cares about you! Okay, thanks for the vote--see you in four years!"
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Heard it more than once.
You cannot say it here though. Even some folks who are minority, I suspect are either blind, or are hoping to get something out of it. Aka part of the machine
JEB
(4,748 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Thanks for bringing some rationality to the thread.
It also strikes me as offensive the constant reference by the media to black Americans as a single voting bloc.
Only peripherally related, but at a homeschooling (unschooling) conference years ago, there was a woman there from the Netherlands who expressed her total shock at how "race" is often a space to be completed on many of the forms that we fill out here in the U.S. She said this information was never requested on forms there, and if the question were ever asked, it would be considered highly offensive. (I think the setting was in a discussion group about prejudice, where Dr. Seuss's Star-Bellied Sneeches was discussed. IIRC, people from the Dallas Holocaust Museum led the discussion). We are sadly so very, very far from being a color-blind society.
I agree with your second paragraph, and as a black man you are allowed to say those things here at DU (I guess?). But as an aging white woman I would likely get skewered here (by the group who holds such sway and power at DU referenced above) for expressing such thoughts.
Nickel79
(81 posts)and it literally happened to me again, just a few minutes ago on this very site. Another Hillary supporter referring to us as a single voting bloc in order to "correct" me. It's astonishing how blatantly racist some people are, and some of them don't even realize they're doing it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,376 posts)a near homogeneous country that is 85% ethnic Dutch.
There is nothing in Europe that remotely resembles the diversity of the U.S. And of all places, given their central role in the Atlantic slave trade.
We are still living with the repercussions off their literal crimes against humanity.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Certain people like to make a case out of just about anything.
I've been called all manner of vile things just for linking to an article that supported Gov. Don Siegelman or demonstrated the connections between the House of Bush and the House of bin Laden.
randome
(34,845 posts)And Joe Scar says he isn't sexist, either. I guess we have to wait for someone to use the actual word 'sexist' or 'racist' in order to call them out?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]
Octafish
(55,745 posts)If so, please show me where it is racist. If so, I will write to CounterPunch and ask them to tell us why they would publish a racist writer.
randome
(34,845 posts)What do you want? Some sort of 'sliding scale' to determine whether someone or an article is racist or not? The collective community at DU decided it. It's the responsibility of every community -virtual or not- to determine whether racism exists within its borders.
End of story.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'm in Detroit. I've seen most every day for the past 48 years how little the "sliding scale" of justice has moved for the people of my community -- about 82-percent of whom are African American.
What has Hillary Clinton done in her career done to make life better for Detroit? I can think of several things, such as voting for the Bankruptcy Bill, that actually have hurt many people I know.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)in Detroit and all over the US.
She voted for TARP, which kept banks from going under and also provided funds for the auto-bailout and to deal with the mortgage crisis -- all of which helped cities like Detroit.
Automotive Industry Financing Program
General Motors
(paid back)
Chrysler
(paid back)
GMAC
Chrysler Financial
(paid back)
$80.1 billion
$49.9 billion
($361 million)
$15.2 billion
($280 million)
$13.5 billion
$1.5 billion
($1.5 billion)
$77.6 billion
Auto Supplier Support Program
GM Supplier Receivables
(paid back)
Chrysler Receivables
$5 billion
$3.5 billion
($140 million)
$1.5 billion
$3.5 billion
$2.5 billion
($140 million)
$1 billion
Making Home Affordable
* See additional $25 billion component
* See full list of participating servicers
$50 billion $27.4 billion
Multipronged foreclosure prevention plan to help as many as 9 million borrowers by modifying or refinancing loans.
SNIP
Skittles
(153,182 posts)yeah OK he's on the anti-Hillary bandwagon big time but no less than a bunch of others on this site
I will miss WillyT
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)This dude would not listen and insisted on insulting entire communities of DU'ers here. Instead of listening to folks who are actually living as POC and try to be sensitive with the language and attitude he portrayed, he acted like a predator and relied on people like you to turn a blind eye on his racists posts and bail him out time and time again on juries. How many Rec's did he receive for all the b.s. he posted??? How many people agree that POC are too dumb to vote for *their* candidate???
You miss him, hunh. Pathetic and insulting.
Boo-f'ing-hoo.
Skittles
(153,182 posts)I guess YOU speak for an entire group
BYE BYE NOW
Digital Puppy
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)to do sabotage on the campaign.
He never reflected what we were or are about.
I'm glad he was gone.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)(If Brock ever writes a late-in-life memoir, I predict he will cop to it).
Others probably were recruited by the GOP(it was THAT, not the Sanders campaign itself, that was a right-wing plot).
Some showed up on their own just to stir up shit and because it was a chance to bait women. Guys like that were and are Olympic-class assholes.
A smaller number would be actual Sanders supporters who have growing-up to do.
He certainly wasn't helping Bernie with what he posted here.
I'm glad he is gone.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I'm glad he is gone.
The Sanders campaign was not responsible for his actions, though. And we never deserved to be collectively attacked for what he did.
Some of us called him out on his shit over and over and over again.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And whoever he was he deserved his ppr.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)A lot were younger people who simply didn't get the implications of what he was saying.
I agree with you that no supporter of any candidate should have defended that post, but it's not fair to argue that it delegitimized the entire Sanders campaign and made it obligatory to support the much-more-conservative alternative.
As to the references to Bernie's work in the freedom movement and his support for Jesse Jackson...those were brought up because those events proved that Bernie wasn't weak on his antiracist commitment.
We are now in the absurd situation in which POC have, to this point, voted heavily for a candidate who played a leading role in what was arguably the most anti-POC Democratic presidency since the early days of FDR. The candidate who appeased white racist claims that blackness was synonymous criminality, welfare fraud, and out-of-wedlock parenting. The candidate who fought, to the bitter end, to stop the party nominating a black man for president eight years ago.
Can you understand, looking at this as an Englishman, with some distance on the situation, why this can seem frustrating and incomprehensible to the supporters of the far-more-progressive and far-more-antiracist candidate?
We are supporting a civil rights activist and being accused of abetting social oppression for doing so.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)his terminal post and the hundreds of posts in defense of him and his posts ... all of whom are Bernie supporters.
Do they, also, not reflect what Sander supporters are about?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Plenty of us attacked that post. Some of us alerted on it. Some of us begged him to self-delete it.
What we were saying was that Bernie wasn't responsible for what that post said and that he as a candidate shouldn't be under attack for it.
WillyT acted in ways that were very suspicious to me. He doubled-down on his offensiveness just at the times we were beginning to make headway on this.
I'm glad he is gone.
merrily
(45,251 posts)jury your posts or pm you or have any other internet "power" over you sucks scissors, no matter what or who is involved.
Maybe I have succumbed to it at some point before forming that opinion, but I don't recall doing that and I sure hope I haven't done it. If I have danced on the grave of a banned poster, or of anyone who traveled off the planet for the last time, I am truly sorry and humbly and sincerely apologize to the person or persons and to all of DU, even those posters, if any, who agreed with me, and to the zeitgeist, but also to my own soul and integrity.
Just so you know, more than one person has questioned your own bona fides as a Sanders supporter. So while I cannot stop you from judging others, I can at least let you know that you have not been strolling a one-way street.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I consider calling out bad actors among his supporters and pushing the campaign to correct mistakes in strategy to be a form of support. The campaign has done some things well and has many good people within it. There have been less effective choices and there have been some people who have, in the name of supporting Bernie, done the campaign real harm.
I take no pleasure in Willy having been banned. It had been my hope that he stop doing the things that got him banned. I liked some of what he posted. But he did us damage. There was no excuse for that one post(I won't name it, you know the one)and for his insistence on doubling down on the sentiment last week.
It was our campaign's fault in many(but not all respects)that we have not done better with African-American voters. It was not the fault of African American voters themselves, and none of them should have been attacked for their decision not to support us. And it's up to us to learn from that and change in response to it.
I am a loyal supporter of Bernie and of what this campaign has stood for. It's my plan to be involved in whatever long-term movement arises from this campaign. But I can't be an uncritical or unquestioning supporter of any cause or any campaign I am involved in. When I see bad choices or offensive rhetoric used in that campaign or that cause, I'll speak out about that, in the name of protecting the campaign or the cause itself.
merrily
(45,251 posts)from the start, and also that he is not a racist. However, what WillyT might say if he could--and probably has said in the past-- certainly hasn't stopped you or certain others from saying otherwise. So I doubt that your claims about yourself will stop anyone from saying otherwise about you.
I am not going to debate WillyT. I have a general understanding of what happened, but I didn't follow it as it was happening, so I have no depth of understanding about it. So I did not argue anything with you. I simply stated my own position, which is: saying things about someone who cannot reply for himself is cowardly and generally crappy. You chose basically chosen to ignore my only point, instead using my reply as an excuse to say more negative things about WillyT, someone who, as I pointed out, no longer can reply to you on his own behalf. I think that says an awful lot about you.
I have no interest in discussing this with you any further, since you obviously have no interest in what I had to say about the entire tack being cowardly and crappy. Therefore, if you want the last word, it's yours. I won't even look at it.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If I had no interest in what you had said I wouldn't have responded to it.
And no longer wish to discuss the poster you brought up in this exchange.
My intent was not malicious, and I'll leave it at that.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)the way to a more fucked up political process. Put so many rules and regulations it is impossible to protest or dissent without being banned.
DU is a homogenous monoculture of people posting by proxy the work of other people aka pundits. It's too dangerous to post your own opinion. It must first be vetted by mainstream media.
So sad. Plays perfectly into the hands of the ex-Republicans who have taken ownership of the Democratic Party.
Make it so generic and safe that any threat to status quo is eliminated.
RIP WillyT. You are one of the very good guys.
Unbelievable how far right wing and intolerant Democrats have become. There is no balance from the left.
It's kind like global warming. Seems fine until it isn't. Then everyone wonders how things got so bad.
kath
(10,565 posts)"So sad. Plays perfectly into the hands of the ex-Republicans who have taken ownership of the Democratic Party."
Man, you sure got that right!
Democat
(11,617 posts)This is a pro-Democrats site.
I don't care if you are bashing Sanders or Clinton, I support banning anyone who spends all of their time bashing Democrats on a site called Democratic Underground.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)No it isn't. Or if it is it should be stated that diisent against the right wing trickle down Reagan,-as-hero, Hillart above all, Democratic Party thinkspin will be the only messaging allowed.
Democratic Party has become too small, too elite, too rich and out of touch.
And they are using every trick in the book to eliminate choice while shilling for WallStreet and idiotic military interventions and privatization of public services and resources. If that sounds alot like what Republicans are doing that's no coincidence. The "social liberal" economic conservatives have sucked hope and the future out if the party with the message "no we can't"
So the thought police are now purging and rounding up those who don't like our corporate party and giving them the scarlet letter.
Sounds like something Republicans would do doesnt it. Yes it does.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Half of the people bashing Democrats on this site are probably right wing trolls.
There are valid criticisms of both Democratic candidates, but that is not what we are seeing. People here are bashing the candidates with stupid personal attacks just like right wingers. Sanders or Clinton will be our candidate. This site should be a place to support them and work to get them elected, not be a place to bash them all of the time.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)
Run as Republican and push them left instead of pushing Democrats to the right. And her personal behavior is fair game. She is an unapologetic Wall Street shill constantly scolding working families for wanting more from our nation than a life of souless servitude to the 1%.
It is fair game to remind people owf a candidates history and the consequences of blindly following the status quo.
Free Republic. Yea, sure. Lol.
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MisterP
(23,730 posts)its members and you're a victim who has to be amnestied
right
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Intolerance is never a good way to go. When you ban those who disagree with you, you look weak, as though either your views are indefensible or you are not smart enough to defend your views without banning the person with views that differ from yours.
senseandsensibility
(17,114 posts)I don't agree with everything Willy T. posted, and especially with his tone deafness on this issue. But he never seemed to be in
the least bit trollish. And I confess that it is bothering me that the strong Bernie supporters are banned while the Hillary supporters are reinstated. I guess the handwriting's on the wall.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)All he would do is cut and paste articles from elsewhere, and never engage in a back and forth discussion about the issue. His views had to be deduced from the articles, and that wasn't pretty at all.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Seriously??? Were you one of the 'select' who Rec'd up his Stockholm Syndrome thread? You really think that was about people mad that he was a Bernie supporter???
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Try advocating for Trump here, and see where it gets you.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)get members to look at a subject from a different viewpoint, with lots of references linked, I got no where. Well, I got ridiculed. Folks don't want to get off their tail feathers long enough to read and hopefully learn and grow. Personally, I read a lot in the hinterlands on the internet that upsets me but to be informed of what's out there being said, I read it to stay informed. To each his own, I guess.
Bernblu
(441 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts)There are a bunch of sites where he can have his free (racist and homophobic) speech.
Sounds like you were a fan so I feel for you...but he brought nothing but divisiveness with his hatred of POC and LGBT communities.
Good riddance, and oh, you may need to add me to your ignore list since I'm one of those lurkers who call out racist homophobic douchbaggery.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Rules are rules and breaking them has consequences. At least for most of us.
kath
(10,565 posts)Yeppers.
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".
wundermaus
(1,673 posts)In the real world, people say things that are sometimes offensive, vulgar, and untrue.
We have all done it, at least any of us that have been around for more than a few decades.
Lord knows I've stepped in more than my share of cow patties.
So are we so thin skinned, so incapable of standing in another person's moccasins that we deny them a moment on the public soap box?
So much for democracy.
So much for freedom of speech.
So much for the farce we have all become.
Fascism has won.
And we, the people have lost.
No better example than the silencing of a citizen's voice in a public forum.
Shame on us all.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear: This includes any post which states opposition to full equal rights for gays and lesbians; it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel, or arguing that Holocaust deniers are just misunderstood. In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when — and only when — such doubt exists.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
HTH.
wundermaus
(1,673 posts)Sure is amazing the abilities we have attained, to know the depths of a person's heart.
I guess I'm a little slow on the uptake.
Maybe we should leave it to others to decide for us who is a racist, a bigot, and a purveyor of hatred since we have become incapable of thinking for our selves.
I know nothing.
I am absolutely sure of nothing.
And as i get older, I am certain of less and less.
Until we will eventually know nothing at all.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)This is a privately owned site with rules and stuff. You break the rules, you get kicked out. It's simple, really.
wundermaus
(1,673 posts)but it provides a public forum for discussion. In case you didn't notice, the posts on this forum can be read and posted globally. If this is not a public forum then what the hell is it?
It sure does quack like a duck.
As for the rules, well, that depends on who breaks them, right?
You do know about the golden rule? Gold rules.
And about that forgiveness thing... a christian myth, right?
Thought so.
Stick you hands in the dirt.
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)Gotcha.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)specifically warned. Those people don't belong here.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)posting the truth.
RIP WillyT
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)inevitable when we try to fit it!
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)I can't fucking believe it.
It hasn't been that long since he received a boat load of hearts, yet some people here act like he's been disliked for a long time.
I will miss you terribly, WillyT and all of the passionate posts you've made.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)
Renew Deal
(81,870 posts) billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And a climate of fear keeps me in line.
proud patriot
(100,715 posts)this was my only contact with him as he doesn't facebook..
fun guy in person ..
polly7
(20,582 posts)It was a re-posted article.
If it wasn't so sad for millions of minorities, I'd almost laugh at the transparency of the trolls on DU who've done their best from day one to paint Sanders and his mean, bad supporters as racist, sexist boogeymen. A man who's worked all his life for equality and to improve the lives of those millions hurting as the result of REAL racism and bigotry, against the profit-prison industry that disproportionally targets PoC and leaves families devastated, convicted persons lives ruined - often unable to ever vote again, get decent employment, etc. Clinton has made good money from lobbyists for this industry, and still is.
The 'tough on crime' bill her husband put into place and that she championed with her 'superpredators' - we've got to 'bring them to heel' bullshit.
The welfare reform act her husband worked out so that so many black mothers were forced to work in starvation wage paying jobs, unable to afford child-care, transportation and suffered greatly.
The 'war on drugs' that also disproportionately targets PoC, LE racial profiling and brutality - some here don't give one shit about Sanders positions to address these in a real way. Transparent as fuck.
As someone who was abused horribly for many years, I totally understand 'Stockholm Syndrome'. It doesn't just apply to abused women - it is a very REAL issue that affects many who CHOOSE to stay with someone who's actions have ruined or harmed their lives so much. If people can't take the fucking truth, they shouldn't be posting on a message board.
WillyT was just one of a long line of progressive voices that spoke too much truth. That the Admins used this to ban him was an excuse, and a bad one. Many PoC have since pointed out what a bad joke this has all become. They aren't a stupid, helpless group that needs to be protected from scary words - no matter how dishonestly they're used by those of a sad little group of posters on a message group that need gone the progressives here.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Mein Kampf to this message, along with your agreement with it ... Let's see how far "I didn't write it" gets you.
polly7
(20,582 posts) 1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Yet I never see the Hillary supporters say so. That's very weird. I just saw another photo of Bernie with MLK. He was the only white guy sitting with him. Yet everyone attacks Bernie? Hillary was supporting a racist at the very same time. I wonder what these Hillary supporters are like in real person. Anyone can hide behind a computer. I've marched in many an anti-racist movement. In the 80s I was one of a very tiny handful of people who risked my freedom in direct actions with the United Coalition Against Racism and the Black Action Movement. And these Hillary supporters personally attack me and jump at the chance to say racist or sexist simply for pointing out Hillarys policies are against minorities. It's Orwellian to say the least. Even worse the have alienated so many young people and independents who now refuse to vote for her if she's the nominee. Great work people. You probably want a medal too
undergroundpanther
(11,925 posts)Willy was right on some level. And he was. Very very wrong on another and a fucking racist ass.
Where he was right was yes americans are suffering from stockhom syndrome. Not just black americans all races fall into it. All races also have some who identify with the abuser too. Where each race stands on what issue varies but all races ate included in each atance And there are some of all races in this country who want out of this abuse game want a candidate that is honest kind and cares and wants to go past the abuse drama politics and heal. To get money out of politics and live like a sane country. Amounts of races in what position may vary according to personality education media exposure type of media exposure peers and a million other factors affecting the persons decision when it comes time to vote.
You cannot say blacks have stockholm syndrome without realizing how many other races of people out there exibiting the exact same.
Glad a racist shitwad has been purged from DU
Thanks peers and mods.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Yeah his posts were not timely, but I have heard what he posted from sources within minority communities...including African American sources.
If we ever find it timely, we will go to press on those divisions...suffice it to say, especially younger leaders are far from impressed with both older AA politicians, or the Clinton campaign. Nor am I shocked to hear a few openly consider Trump at this point
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Painting all black people as victims of the Stockholm Syndrome is racist.
He was asked to stop, and he doubled-down. It is all about Willy.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This is now being said (with those words exactly) by young African American leaders in my town. The division is real
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and ask them why the parents support Hillary. These young people clearly don't know, are convinced of their own rightness, and can't see any other logic than their own. Kinda like DU.
But declaring a large group of people as mindless is clearly delusional on the part of the speakers, not those spoken about, and is it's own form of bigotry.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)
Suffice it to say they specifically do not like the party for minor things the the school to prison pipeline.
Don't worry, I expect a surprise, at least for the DNC. That process has started
kwassa
(23,340 posts)To anything I said.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And we both know it
kwassa
(23,340 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)
Ah this place is rip roaring hilarious.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)What do you call that?
A delusion? A lie?
Or just a diversion from a point you can't answer?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It's funny
I did. I won't repeat myself. But at this point, I am hysterically laughing. Thanks, needed that
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Suffice it to say they specifically do not like the party for minor things the the school to prison pipeline.
And you are a journalist? This sentence, aside from terrible grammar, makes no sense.
It also avoids the point about the Stockholm Syndrome. Do you think large groups of voters suffer from the Stockholm syndrome? Do you think large groups of black voters are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)sense to hyper partisans. It is hysterical
kwassa
(23,340 posts)You can't stand and deliver, can you?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Kids, who you think should talk with mommy and daddy, are pissed with democrats for among other things the school to prison pipeline. Some of these young people are not talking to mommy and daddy, wait in many cases daddy is in prison, and gosh darn it they blame Bill Clinton directly for it, and are not going to vote for Hillary Clinton.
It gets worst, while mom is telling them but democrats, some of these young folks have told mom, they are voting for trump. We call that the making of a perfect storm. Oh and they are PoC and they do not need you to patronize them and tell them to go talk to mommy m'kay.
Ah party realignments, they are fun...we are seeing a generational split...that is exactly what that is called.
Oh and more than a few are not even bothering to vote since they feel their elders have betrayed them.
Then there are the older folks also getting on board the trump train. I suspect that between that, and all the new voters we are in for a surprise.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Poll shows that Millennials would flock to Clinton against Trump
Susan Page and Jenny Ung, USA TODAY 6:29 p.m. EDT March 14, 2016
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/14/poll-millennials-clinton-sanders-trump-president/81612520/
In a hypothetical Clinton v. Trump contest in November, voters under 35 would choose Clinton by a crushing 52%-19%, a preference that crosses demographic lines. Among whites, she'd be backed by nearly 2-1, 45%-26%. Among Hispanics, by more than 4-1, 61%-14%. Among Asian Americans, by 5-1, 60%-11%. Among African Americans, by 13-1, 67%-5%.
And the yawning gender gap she has against Sanders would vanish: Clinton would carry young men and women by almost identical margins of more than 2-1.
Nearly one in four Republicans would defect to the Democrats if the GOP nominated Trump against Clinton. Just 7% of Democrats would defect to the GOP.[
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Not all. And no poll is accounting for new, this seson, voters.
Oh and I take trump dead seriously. I have since last July. The DNC and media have not. (I suspect some bard rooms want Trump though)
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... especially in the context Willy T put it in
His post were overtly racist, the fact that a number of people on this site don't recognize overt racist is heart breaking.
No wonder Zimmerman was defended but a small but loud minority (in population) of people here
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and thanks for comparing the leaders of the African American community in San Diego to ZImmerman, that was sick on your part.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)hell there have been some exchanges I have witnessed, one that was particularly ugly on facebook, that if the participants were not African American you would call it racist. I just called it notes. Oh and some of the words in that essay from Common Dreams were used in that conversation. There were words and language that you would consider it ten times as bad. As I said, these became background for me.
The conversation has started. Whether you accept it or not, well, not my problem. It went into my background notes because I was tagged and was able to witness it. It reminded me of Occupy... and the division is truly between the young and the older leaders, as well as newer and older organizations.(That is very local, but I am willing to bet this is happening to different degrees nationally) And yes, at least one person in that conversation advocated voting for Donald Trump.
And like Occupy, some of these conversations are happening in places they should not... like Facebook. And they are rather public.
For the record, this is one reason I refuse to treat a community like a monolith... whether it is Latinos (it is divided by ethnic, class and national origin ten ways to Sunday), or African Americans, the division is along class lines, as well as region of the country, and life experience. And yes, the kids in the hood, who are over policed are the angriest, (and they should be), at both their community leaders, and the police. The we talk with one voice has gone the say of the dodo, and partly the same can be said about the Jewish community, or should I say communities?. I am familiar with all these three.
And the DNC is treating all these groups as interchangeable lego blocks, surprises are in the offing. For the record, so are whatever remains of the republican party, for different ideological reasons, mind you.
As I said, this is not about Willy, but a reality in the freaking of the internet real world.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... heart breaking, people shouldn't tolorate this crap here and I'm glad it's not allowed any longer
took a while though
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and myself am going to enjoy the show.
And you addressed none of what I said. Which is rather typical. And you are right, DU is not facebook, which is a bad thing, Those conversations that are happening on facebook WITHIN the local community, would not happen here becuase you would consider it racist. Suffice it to say, that conversation happened within the African American community, and for the record, it should have occurred within four walls, not facebook. But it did... oh and there are books about this division as well.
Go get yourself this book: Eugene Robinson is the author by the way. The title is Disintegration.
He is addressing exactly that process. So you can call it racist, I call it reality. That conversation is happening. And all of you, and I am addressing you as a member of the AA group, can pretend it is not happening, or can pretend it is racist to address the issue and how more than a few, at this point I cannot say how many, feel the democrats and AA politicians have betrayed them. But it is happening, and the process is only accelerating. I am seeing it in real time in the streets.
So when you scream... I am just enjoying the show and the pretense that is is not happening.
As I said, that article from Common Dreams was not timely, for DU, but this conversation will happen wether you like it or not, because it is happening. And internally the language being used is far worst than what was in that piece. I feel this place is truly, way behind the times of the many processes happening in reality in many communities, It is willful, and it is the DNC pretending things are not happening.
I am going to enjoy the surprises to come, starting this year, but going forward. D is no longer going guarantee certain things as we move forward. It is party realignment and sooner or later, reliable voting blocks realize this. The process has started.
You go on and pretend it is not happening, I will stick to reality.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... likings but they're not relevant.
"the issue" here is someone labeling a whole race of people negatively in context.
I don't think the context of the conversation you're referring to in the "community" is the same as WillT's overt racist shit.
My point here is the support for this overt racist shit is gob smacking, not the conversation of whether there are syndromes in marginalized populations.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)
It is going to be a hell of a fireworks display
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... people in such broad strokes as Willy T has done multiple times.
I wonder why on a progressive site this has to be explained, so many people defining his overtly racist bullshit
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)fortifying the Patriot act . It was characterized that I was a disruptive, rabble rouser . I canvas for Bernie and talk to many AA woman and would agree it is more about sisterhood than, issues, solution or history of past performance . I also agree that after someone is warned it is disrespectful to Amplify the comments that earned a warning .
A HERETIC I AM
(24,376 posts)DAMMIT!!!
Screwed up.
Shit
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)
Arkana
(24,347 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They should go to JAIL. Hillary cheats again.
http://www.wallstreetshill.com/ncarolina/
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)The Stockholm Syndrome accusations are disgusting and are absolutely unbecoming of a Democrat.
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orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)It happened.
Do you support Anti-Semitiam like that?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)kcr
(15,318 posts)on message boards doesn't help Bernie? Not even screencaps? That's a lot of effort, there, though.
kcr
(15,318 posts)I just saw the other hides. I couldn't see your link. This is getting scary.
kcr
(15,318 posts)Screenshots of stuff happening outside of DU is pretty weak.
hypothetically, if someone was found to be a Stormfront poster...okay because not DU?
Someone saying, "Look! This DUer is a Stormfront poster! Here's a screencap for proof!" Not okay. It's pretty weak for multiple reasons.
If someone HERE said, "I'm a Stormfront poster! *stormfront arglebargle*" Then yeah. Not okay.
stevil
(1,537 posts)About time.
snot
(10,530 posts)crying that Willy T is gone.
Insofar as any non-white can be non-racist, I don't think Willy T was one.
There aren't many old DU'er's – including many who fought for racial equality back in the 60's – left on DU.
I don't think this is good.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I have never seen such foul posts. Yet this person is still posting on DU thanks to Amnesty.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=117089&sub=trans
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)They are flagged for review.
Sometimes that status could last days, weeks, months or years.
It depends on the admins.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)
Turbineguy
(37,364 posts)are beginning to get tiresome. It's reminiscent of the Soviet Union. I like democracies where we can tolerate a bit more.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)I miss you, WillyT!
So Far From Heaven
(354 posts)I only got to read some of his last posts. Bummer.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)