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https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/insulting-new-abortion-law-forces-women-to-pay-for-fetus-funeralsOn Thursday, Indiana Governor Mike Pence signed one of the most vicious anti-abortion bills in the country into law. It forbids women from getting abortions in cases of fetal disability, requires women to inter or cremate fetal remains, and a whole host of other fucked-up things.
On Thursday, Indiana Governor Mike Pence signed one of the most extreme anti-abortion bills in the country into law. In addition to some of the typical restrictions now favored in large swaths of the South and Midwestmedically unnecessary requirements that force clinics to shut down, for examplethe bill, titled House Bill 1337, contains some uniquely disturbing provisions as well.
There are several parts of the unsettlingly comprehensive bill that different outlets have singled out: It requires women to pay for funeral services for their fetuses after getting an abortion or miscarrying. It forces women who want to get an abortion due to lethal fetal abnormalities to undergo counseling that encourages them to carry the doomed and potentially dangerous pregnancy to term. It forbids women from getting an abortion based on fetal disability. It prohibits sex-selective abortionsa fairly common justification for abortion restrictions, one for which there is "limited and inconclusive evidence," according to the Guttmacher Institute. In a statement, the National Network of Abortion Funds (NNAF) called the legislation "one of the most vicious omnibus anti-abortion bills the United States has ever seen."
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Every time they...
Well, you get the picture.
Every sperm is sacred.
So pay for 2 billion funerals every time you jack off.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)Vinca
(50,304 posts)I was going to suggest lopping off their . . . you know . . . but some things are hard to find.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Maybe if they impregnate someone that ends in an abortion,the men should have to pay for the funeral.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)and replace them with elected officials who will keep the government out of women's bodies.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Indiana WANT as their elected officials. They didn't get there by accident = they were voted in by people in one of the most reliably RW States in the Union.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #32)
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COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)with your obvious penchant for totally uncalled-for ad hominem attacks. Secondly, I never said that elections were unanimous. But the majority of the voters in Indiana did vote for these assholes so the majority got exactly what they wanted - have you seen today's headlines about Indiana now requiring that women who abort must now provide funerals for the aborted fetus???
Bob Loblaw
(1,900 posts)of the politics, I live in Indiana. I've been at DU longer than you have, have never voted for a republican, and don't need your endorsement of my bona fides. My original read of your posts was that they were like the posts of so many others when it comes to the crap other people like me fight against but live with every day in this state. That somehow we (in this case even those that this law was meant to punish) get what we deserve because we're outnumbered by RWNJs. That, my friend is an attack appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect.
You may be right I may not be around long. But it won't be because I disagree with your sentiment on this issue... hell, I may feel even stronger about it than you do. I'm just tired of fighting the good fight every day out there and then coming to DU and having to fight some more.
Peace.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,702 posts)How is it possible to inflict these sorts of damaging laws on women?
FFS.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)remember what it was like before "roe v. wade".
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,702 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)So many women died horrible deaths at the hands of back alley butchers.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)I'm old enough to also know that making abortion illegal will not stop abortion from happening.
It sickens and saddens me...
Hekate
(90,793 posts)They want to punish women for having miscarriages as well, in several states.
What appalling would-be slave-holders.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)Laws like this defy logic and because they do, they are clearly intended to target, shame and humiliate women.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Seems to me that Pence et al enjoy bankrupting women for nonsensical funerals or by raising disabled children.
These people are monsters.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)which, effectively, stops the chance of aborting.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Us Hoosier taxpayers whom hate the law will have our tax dollars spent to defend this law in court for the next few years.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)From a miscarriage? Are you fucking kidding me?
To have to do this after an abortion is bad enough, but a miscarriage...something your body does automatically? what if it's an early miscarriage and you don't even know it's happened until you flush it? Do you go to jail?
tblue37
(65,488 posts)are supposed to inter or cremate the product of all heavy periods, just in case they might actually be early miscarriages.
These men have no clue at all about women's bodies, but they sure do feel they have a right to control every aspect of them.
F'n idiots.
mountain grammy
(26,650 posts)Is not the population of the state of Indiana at least 50% female. What the fuck, ladies?? What the ever loving fuck??
spooky3
(34,477 posts)Sexist, misogynist law.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)"religious freedom" laws, including last year in Indiana. Why is there no equivalent pressure placed on states with such ridiculous laws regarding restrictions on womens' rights?
valerief
(53,235 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)when they take over a state. I know that Indiana was right before Pence...the gov there was was shit hat CEO from Lilly...I lived there then...and that wonderful asshat senator so called democrat Evan fucking Biegh...I don't care if I spelled his name wrong.
But walker in Wisconsin and whoever in No Carolina.
They create so much damage in a short time.
I wish that Democrats could do as much good in such short bits of time.
mnhtnbb
(31,404 posts)Yes, indeed. Incredible damage in less than four years.
Now we're fighting the latest battle compelling bathroom use by birth certificate gender designation
and prohibiting communities from addressing discrimination against LGBT people with local
ordinances--all under the guise of "protecting women and children" from peeping Tom's entering
a women's room in a dress because that's the logical consequence to these idiots from allowing
trans women to use a women's bathroom.
So they want to make trans women use the men's room and trans men use the women's room. No chance
for violence there. Nope.
These Republican politicians--and the people supporting them-- are a mean-spirited, hateful, ignorant, disrespectful bunch of bigots.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)Women will die.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)is because they don't want the competition. If they could get away with it, xtian fundies would be as bad as the islamic ones.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)However, I think this one will end up getting overturned in the courts. The government can't dictate how a fetus is disposed. The bill would automatically force the parents (or mother if single) to pay for a funeral, something that would be a financial strain beyond the cost of the abortion itself. It also assumes that a woman who miscarried did so on purpose. I'm sure if there is literature out there on women's miscarriages that it would prove that is rare.
phylny
(8,386 posts)Miscarriages happen so frequently - and I'm going to get graphic, so if you don't want to read graphic stuff, stop now.
My first miscarriage happened in stages, with the most traumatic time for me being with me sitting on a toilet as the "products of conception" as they were eventually called left my body.
This asshole governor would have women bury the tissue that is naturally expelled? He's just plain evil.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)I was 5-1/2 months pregnant. That was before Roe v Wade, when no one gave a crap about fetuses and miscarriages. My husband was told by the doctor to just toss the remains in a roadside ditch or something.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)After all, isn't that the ultimate goal?
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)with a Kiln and business card? Thanks Gov Pence, we'll make it nice and easy for these ladies to cremate or inter their dearly departed cluster of vaguely shaped cells.
Now that I think about it...does Gov Pence have friends in the body trade?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...
JohnnyRingo
(18,641 posts)All it will take is one example to be sent to court.
A woman could report to police that she had a miscarriage and flushed it unceremoniously down the toilet. Because of the law, the police have to act. When the state tries to asses a fee, or better, arrest her for abuse of a corpse, the law will most certainly be struck down. There are groups that will gladly cover her legal fees.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Like most Republicans now, I guess.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)The state did go for Barack Obama in November 2008.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)I think the last time before that the state went for a Democratic presidential candidate was in the 1964 Johnson / Goldwater race.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)It's a shit hole in the sticks. Backward assholes everywhere that think book learning is liberalism. ugh. I only go back there because of my 83 yr Mother and 54 yr old brother and his daughter. The rest of the family are tea party assholes. They think I'm a traitor because I moved to Europe. Gun toting bible thumping idiots. I can't believe some of those siblings came from my liberal Mother's womb.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How on earth are they even getting away with proposing such a measure? It's barbaric and hateful!
Takket
(21,625 posts)isn't this the same party the has been telling us that forcing someone to buy insurance or pay a fine (ACA) is the greatest affront to freedom since the Holocaust? And I'm seriously not even exaggerating.... I've heard Obamacare compared to the Nazis. So how they can be forcing someone to pay for something they don't want?
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)Horrific that it is real.
Johonny
(20,888 posts)The totally F'd up world GOP live in. This is disgusting, hateful, delusional, and just fucking weird. I makes you think every single person that voted for it is one sick person. They need professional help and not an elected office.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)dembotoz
(16,832 posts)Suspect you would not wanna get caught
Initech
(100,102 posts)And that's how we get bullshit laws like this. Fuck pro lifers, seriously.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I cannot wait for that party to go the way of the Dodo bird. Fucking ghouls from top to bottom.
RecoveringJournalist
(148 posts)I've lived in this state my entire life. I didn't and would NEVER vote for Pence. MANY other Hoosiers think as I do. This is not legislation we want! Don't throw me and MANY more like me under the bus! It's just that the majority of VOTING Hoosiers in the last go around voted Republican.
I see that changing this time. Some of my friends who are VERY reliable Republicans are truly getting sick of the fool. The anti-Pence rhetoric is really starting to swell in the circles I've seen. Pence's opponent in the last election, Democrat John Gregg, saw his support steadily rise during the last election. He was catching up as people began to see what a disaster Pence would be for the state. He just ran out of time. He's running again this time. And I think Gregg will do it this time. And it's VERY likely some people will ride his coattails.
So let me be the first (as far as I know) to say:
DIS-PENCE!!! Vote Gregg!
AwakeAtLast
(14,133 posts)Even if Gregg becomes Governor, it won't mean anything if the Statehouse can override every veto.
We MUST gain seats! Let's hope Mr. Pence's shenanigans help make that happen.
3catwoman3
(24,046 posts)...happily chip in to a fund for Pence's funeral, political or actual.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)ck4829
(35,091 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Pence and his pack of lackeys are fucking aweful.
I'm waiting for more of the same in KY.
They_Live
(3,240 posts)when filing income taxes?
Darb
(2,807 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)not at all