Denmark plans to strip citizenship & deport imams who preach death to gays/apostates/adulterers/jews

[climber3986]

A needed step in IMO. If you want to move to a progressive western country, you should not start preaching about how gay people or jews are sinners and should be killed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/danish-government-denmark-radical-imams-citizenship-aarhus-mosque-islam-extremism-a6949651.html

[tk2kewl]

1. will they do the same to christian preachers?

[2naSalit]

3. Geeze, I wish......nt

[climber3986]

4. I dont see why they wouldn't

But there hasn't been a rash of christian hate preachers in Denmark who try get people blown up.

Hopefully this guy is the first to go:

[angstlessk]

9. When Christian preachers in the EU want gays et all stoned or beheaded

I would agree, except they don't

[jberryhill]

10. Does the name Anders Breivik ring a bell with you?

[angstlessk]

12. He was not a preacher..he was a murderer

Christians murder too..but can you name his Christian preacher who wanted him to murder other Christians in his country?

[jberryhill]

15. He certainly preached

...and certainly there are others like him.

What, exactly, does it take to be a "preacher" in your book?

[angstlessk]

20. To have a church and congregates...

what does preacher mean to you? someone who stands on a soapbox and preaches...that is not a preacher if he/she were they would have a church, otherwise they were outcasts and fanatics.

[jberryhill]

22. Is the Danmarks Nationalsocialistiske Bevægelse organized?

[climber3986]

13. No it doesn't

What Danish church is he a pastor of?

[jberryhill]

16. I was responding to the post above mine, which referenced the EU more generally

It is remarkable that there seem to be a number of organized supporters of his message, but if they do not call themselves a "church", then preaching hate is okay, depending on whom it is directed at.

[snagglepuss]

25. He said himself he is not religious. He describes himself as as cultural Christian

"Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian.”





http://www.christiantoday.com/article/just.how.christian.is.anders.behring.breivik/28334.htm

[jberryhill]

26. Ah, well, his victims will be glad to hear that

[Lancero]

45. Breivik immigrated to the EU to preach hate and is currently walking free?

Huh, odd. I though he was born in Norway and is currently serving a life sentence in Norway as a result of crimes committed in Norway.

Norway is apart of the EU, so I don't really see how you're saying that he immigrated to his own country of birth, or how you figure that he could be deported to his country of birth when he was already in his country of birth.

[Scootaloo]

59. So, where will native-born Danes be deported to?

[Diclotican]

46. jberryhill

jberryhill

Anders Breivik was not a preacher - even if he claimed to be a christian - even if a hatefully one of that.... He was a terrorist, a domestic terrorist, but terrorist anyway - and is currently serving what might as well ba called a life sentence - as he will not be allowed out on the streets anytime soon - and in fact, his position is to dangerous, that he have to be protected against the rest of the population of the prison he live in - as many have flat out stated, if given the chance, they would kill him, or do him harm....

Diclotican

[FrodosPet]

55. Breivik: I am not a Christian

http://www.vl.no/nyhet/breivik-jeg-er-ikke-kristen-1.465538

(Google Translation)

Published 15 November 2015

In a letter terrorist Anders Behring Breivik has sent to several media, he says he believes in Odin and that is not and never has been, Christian.

"There are few things in the world that is more pathetic than the Jesus figure and his message, and I have always despised the weakness and the internationalism that the church represents" writes Breivik including in the letter.

~ snip ~

Journalist and writer Øyvind Stream believe Breivik's belief in Odin could change the image of him as a "Christian terrorist" writes Day.

- To look at him as a Christian terrorist has never been particularly apposite. That picture is wrong on all counts and is characterized by people who had not gone into the ideology he put forward in his manifesto, says Stream.

~ snip ~

[bullwinkle428]

62. Ted Cruz appeared on stage/pulpit with preacher who talked about killing gays.

Okay - not in Europe, but in America.

[davidn3600]

11. Probably, but they don't really have a huge problem with Christian fascists there

Denmark is not a country that would take great acceptance to hatred from any religion. Having been to Copenhagen on a few occasions, it's a fairly liberal and secular city, and quite friendly with a low crime rate. They have churches, mosques, and synagogues as any city. But they aren't really that radical.

If an Imam shows up there and starts talking publicly about killing Jews or gays and adulterers, I can certainly see the Danes throwing their asses out pretty quick. Their tolerance has a limit.

[jberryhill]

19. Hmmm....

http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/danish.htm





Nope. No fascists there.

[ish of the hammer]

30. there are assholes everywhere, but the Danes don't give them

a legal, tax-sheltered podium to spew their assholery, the way the U.S. does.

[meow2u3]

17. I also wish we could deport fundie preachers

Where, I don't know, but get them outta America!

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. Stripping an American Citizen of citizenship for even a uggly religous beliefs would not be

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constitutional.

Can Your U.S. Citizenship Be Revoked?
Although rare, it is possible for a naturalized U.S. citizen to have his or her citizenship stripped through a process called "denaturalization." Former citizens who are denaturalized are subject to removal (deportation) from the United States. Natural-born U.S. citizens may not have their citizenship revoked against their will, but may choose to renounce their citizenship on their own.

This article covers the grounds for having one's citizenship revoked, the basics of the denaturalization process, and defenses to denaturalization.

[meow2u3]

36. I already know a natural-born citizen can't be involuntarily stripped of their citizenship

But I can dream, can't I?

[Agnosticsherbet]

43. If they could strip someone you don't like citizenship, they can strip you.

That isn't a dream, it is a totalitarian nightmare.

[Marrah_G]

28. Not sure there are many in Denmark preaching that

If there is, can you provide examples?

[snagglepuss]

51. See video in post #4. Utterly disgusting.

[Marrah_G]

53. I meant Christian preachers doing that

[Ex Lurker]

31. Anddd the moral equivalnency shows up in the first post NT

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

54. Yep. Not surprised, huh?

nt

[w0nderer]

32. actually most 'hate speech' is already dealt with pretty severely in the nordic countries

[dbackjon]

44. +1

Or deny entry to people like Ted Cruz and his family?

[JI7]

49. does Ted cruz preach death to gays ?

[pnwmom]

64. I'm sure they would. But they'd have to find any first that were doing that. n/t

[DetroitSocialist83]

2. Don't let the door hit you on the way out

I wish we could do that with some of the religious psychos who advocate violence here.

[ZombieHorde]

5. That seems fair to me. nt

[angstlessk]

6. I agree....why go to a 'liberal' country, if you disagree, except to preach hate?

If Europeans want to become Muslims they should migrate to the Middle East!

[whatthehey]

23. Or.. just be Muslims not calling for a violent oppressive theocracy maybe?

Hell even I believe that's perfectly possible

[angstlessk]

24. If you are willing to integrate...fine

If you want to kill infidels...not so much!

[whatthehey]

50. Well that's a minimal standard

I think something like "I don't want to kill people who disagree with me" makes more sense.

[fbc]

33. Maybe fewer muslims would come to Europe if we weren't bombing them

and/or toppling their governments.

[angstlessk]

34. Now, I cannot argue with that point, but need to weed out the displaced

from the disgruntled!

[JI7]

48. They are fleeing from other Muslims

[GOLGO 13]

7. Such a simple and elegant solution.

Dropkick them right back to whatever lovely country they came from.

[Doctor_J]

8. Imagine if all of the adulterers were put to death

There would be about half of the congress left.

[stillwaiting]

14. Less. Much less. nt

[Yavin4]

18. Any organization that preaches violence should be expelled

I don't care who they are. Even if they are The Little Sisters of the Poor. You preach violence, you go.

[angstlessk]

21. ^1,000^

[Marrah_G]

27. Good- They should

And that goes for anyone preaching those things.

[angrychair]

35. What if they are Danish?

So, sounds like a law against brown people to me. Just like here in the United States, as long as you are white and Christian, you can say what you want.
People say it "likely" would apply to white Christian preachers but the article only talks about brown, "foreign" preachers.

Who gets to determine what is "hate speech"? This is abuse and bigotry waiting to happen. Sounds like a blanket excuse to get remove people you don't "like". Not sure what the difference is between the things that Cruz and tRump want to do and this.

If you don't agree with something you talk about it. If you see bigotry, racism, sexism and xenophobia than you stand against it. Bigots and others who trade in evil acts only live in your heart and mind because you let them in.

[Bluenorthwest]

56. Calling for the death of minority groups is hate speech. Do you disagree?

How is saying they will expel those who call for murder a blanket excuse?

People calling for the murder of others is abuse and that is bigotry, streaming out of those who call for violence against LGBT and Jews. You think minorities should put up with threats and calls for genocide?

[angrychair]

58. It's an excuse

It's focus is against brown people. We have white Christians here preaching for the death and torture of LGBT, Jews, the adulterous and anyone non-Christian, I highly doubt we are that unique. Why is this new "law" not explicitly structured to cover them as well as radical Islam? Why was this idea never thought of before to cover radical Christians? Because they are white and Christian, that is why.
Seeing stuff like this makes me happy to be an atheist, as long as a radical Islamist or radical Christian doesn't kill me.

[Democat]

60. You have a low opinion of "brown people"

If you think they all hate gays and women.

[LiberalArkie]

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[angrychair]

63. What the hell are you talking about??

Where the fuck did you get that from what I typed?
It is very obvious that foreign born Imans are disproportionately people of color and from the ME, ergo it would impact people of color, (brown people is often used as a slam in reference to bigoted whites whom make no differentiation but I suspect you knew that)

Finally, my comments were directed at the fact that a standard was created for one religion but not the any other, with the presumption that Christians do not or cannot preach hate. How common of an occurrence can it be that it needs a law such as that? It only takes a 5 minute search on the Internet to determine that Christians and all religions, are very capable of hate. A significant contributing factor to why all religions are bullshit.

[Democat]

68. Sorry if I was wrong about your comment

It sounded similar to someone saying that laws against supporting Hitler's policies would be an attack on "white people". There are plenty of people of all colors who hate Hitler and hate these Danish bigots.

Regardless of color or religion, if someone is preaching that gay people and non believers should be killed and that women are second class citizens, then Denmark has a right to deal with them under their system.

[angrychair]

69. Thank you for the apology

I agree with your premise:
"Regardless of color or religion, if someone is preaching that gay people and non believers should be killed and that women are second class citizens, than Denmark has a right to deal with them under their system."

I have read a couple of articles related to this and the only focus appears to be Islam. My objective is to point out the hypocrisy when I see it. Christians preach death and hate towards members of the LGBTQ community as well as non believers, adulterers or women that don't obey men. The disparity of treatment and perception is hard to ignore.

[mainer]

37. Deport them where? What if no one wants them?

I foresee some logistical problems. But I agree with the impulse.

[PatrickforO]

38. That is good. I think the major mistake the European countries have made is that

they have allowed a de-facto ghettoization to happen to their Muslim immigrants. They all live in certain areas of the cities (the equivalent of the old ghettos), and tend to be in lower socioeconomic strata.

It would be a better idea to attempt assimilation, and getting rid of these ignorant hate-zealots is a great beginning.

[shadowmayor]

39. Meanwhile back in the USA

Pastor Hagee tells his fucked flock that Hitler was sent by god as a hunter. All in order to get the Jewish people to run to Jerusalem to hasten the return of Jesus. And he stood beside Magoo (McCain) when he was running for President. Our country is chock full of the same, we're just trained to turn a blind eye. Every Sunday the pews are filled with drooling idiots listening to hate and venom spewing from the preacher man - the Jews killed Christ, the Catholics are in league with the devil, the Pope is the Whore of Babylon, blacks have no souls, Muslims should be killed, kill the gays, burn the abortionists and more. Many in the pews are people you see in the markets, at the gas stations or even work with. And it is generally acceptable in this country to let them carry on in their churches. It's the true culture of "don't ask - don't tell".

[Mary Mac]

40. Amen

I applaud Denmark.

[840high]

41. Excellent.

[TygrBright]

42. Good start. Add priests, rabbis, pastors next... n/t

[JI7]

47. GOOD

[Scootaloo]

52. Amazed to see so many DU'ers happily lauding and supporting the neo-fascist Danish People's party

[GOLGO 13]

57. I have no prolem with them spending $$$ to pay for a 1 way ticket to wherever

they came from.

[rollin74]

65. good on Denmark. glad to hear this

[Donald Ian Rankin]

66. I think this is a bad and illiberal idea.

If someone is inciting criminal behaviour, it's reasonable to prosecute and imprison them for it.

It's not reasonable - or sensible - to strip them of their citizenship and deport them to somewhere they will go on doing it.

[Ilsa]

67. It's a good start towards

Making it clear that anyone's religion doesn't triumph over someone else's civil rights, and hate speech won't be tolerated.