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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:24 PM Mar 2016

This cannot be said too many times: if you're suicidal, please please reach out.....

http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

1-800-273-8255

As a person who has had chronic depression for most of my 57 years, I can relate to suicidal people. Please call someone. Anyone responsible. It can get better.

Thank you for listening.

on edit: I'm fine, really. I'm reacting to someone else. If you're reading, please please call that number.
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This cannot be said too many times: if you're suicidal, please please reach out..... (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2016 OP
K and R etherealtruth Mar 2016 #1
K&R sheshe2 Mar 2016 #2
my pleasure steve2470 Mar 2016 #4
K&R demmiblue Mar 2016 #3
I am fine. Even if I wasn't, I would not leave this world before this election for anything. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #5
hopefully it will stay fun, with the Democrat winning in November! nt steve2470 Mar 2016 #6
As a person who has had several suicide attempts I completely agree with you Victor_c3 Mar 2016 #7
excellent post thanks nt steve2470 Mar 2016 #8
I am having fun again with lexapro for my bipolar. I love the manic coming out. It kind of LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #9
glad you're feeling better! nt steve2470 Mar 2016 #13
would you mind a question about the sentence that you said helped you? renate Apr 2016 #19
It would have depend on the person and the relationship Victor_c3 Apr 2016 #21
Thanks. It runs in my family. TygrBright Mar 2016 #10
I can first hand relate Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #11
K and R!!!! Stuart G Mar 2016 #12
Been there. Thanks for the post. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #14
K&R awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #15
I walked in on a friend who had a wire around their neck just tried hanging themselves by closing whereisjustice Mar 2016 #16
For the LGBTQ... Behind the Aegis Apr 2016 #17
excellent post! nt steve2470 Apr 2016 #18
K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #20

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
5. I am fine. Even if I wasn't, I would not leave this world before this election for anything.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

This is way to much fun.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
7. As a person who has had several suicide attempts I completely agree with you
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

However when I'm feeling suicidal I honestly could care less about anything. Depression, as I'm sure you're aware of, is terribly tough to overcome. If you truly don't care then there is nothing that can make you care.

Personally, for me, anything that can build a pause or a delay before I act is what I need. Do or say anything to make me slow down for just a few moments and I'm on my way to those feeling subsiding. Short of challenging me in my sincerity to kill myself, there was s nothing wrong a person could say to me.

I've spent a lot of time practicing just sitting with an emotion without acting on it. I'll wake up in the middle of the night with suicide on my mind and I'm ready to act on it, but if I can just make myself lay down for just a few minutes the feelings subside. The mantra "no feeling is final" does a lot of good for me. It's hard to believe otherwise at times, but I will feel a different emotion or feeling in the not-to-far-off future if I just stop.

Anyways I'm not sure if that has anything to do with anything, but I'll throw it out there

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
9. I am having fun again with lexapro for my bipolar. I love the manic coming out. It kind of
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

offsets the depression that is still there. Being old I take testosterone also. It really helps also. And I highly recommend getting sun in the winter. I found if I hit the tanning booth at the gym before I started cardio, I really felt great. Tired. But great. When I see my doc if I am feeling a little down, she tells me to "go to the gym".

renate

(13,776 posts)
19. would you mind a question about the sentence that you said helped you?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:38 PM
Apr 2016

"No feeling is final."

I'm wondering whether those exact four words would be helpful (coming from someone else, that is), or whether they would seem to dismiss what you mentioned earlier, the sincerity of your desire to kill yourself. Is there anything you'd suggest to preface them with? "It seems so dark right now, but..." or "I know it's hard to believe when you're feeling so broken, but..." or something like that? Or keep it short and sweet?

Thanks so much!

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
21. It would have depend on the person and the relationship
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:29 PM
Apr 2016

I would say that yes, any of those phrases you would be appropriate. Even if you can't convince the person you are addressing that no feeling is final, if you know this when you are tryin to de escalate the situation it can be helpful. You just have to buy time.

At least with my own wrestlings its all about buying time and just letting the waves of feelings run their course.

Honestly, I don't think a person can really say the wrong thing. It's to better to try to say something - anything.

TygrBright

(20,765 posts)
10. Thanks. It runs in my family.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

And I've come close a couple of times myself.

It's taken a long time to build the mental health practices, cognitive scripts, and coping tools that keep me from sliding all the way into that pit.

Here's another bit of advice, if you *think* someone you know/love might be on that downslope: Reach out. Ask for some time.

Don't make assumptions, don't have expectations. Just spend a little time together.

Sometimes the awareness of connections, no matter how detached or distant you feel, is enough to get you through the next day.

gratefully,
Bright

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
11. I can first hand relate
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

but at that time, I was so lower than low, I had no other thought. I just wanted it to end. I don't think I would have called the number.

What this can help with is people that are just starting to think about suicide. They should know about and have the number readily available. And they should call while they still can.

Because when you reach the end of your rope.....

Thank you for posting this, Steve!

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
15. K&R
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

I don't know how many times I have thought about over the last three years. That is why I won't own a gun- it makes it too easy.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
16. I walked in on a friend who had a wire around their neck just tried hanging themselves by closing
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:39 PM
Mar 2016

a closet door over the wire.

They stood on an ottoman, closed the door over the wire, jumped off, thinking it would hold them up. It slipped, creating a deep notch at the top of the door and they had a nasty burn around their neck. They left the front door open and a note so they could be found without any hassle.

I'll never get seeing that rope burn out of my brain. I don't know if I helped or not but that was a while ago and they are still here today. But who really knows for how long because people will hide their suffering.

I researched places that could help, and saw first hand how our society (and this includes Democrats) refuses to recognize that we have little to ZERO help for people struggling with serious problems. Instead we want them out of the way as if they are defective. I got nowhere and the local chapter of mental health professionals could do nothing more than send a bullshit pdf file on how to talk to a suicidal person while offering worthless advice, probably watered down for liability reasons.

I'll never know/understand the pain another person is experiencing and find it difficult to judge someone who decides to take their own life. Suicide seems to be becoming more common especially for middle aged people.

I believe a person can experience pain and/or suffering that cannot be healed and must be like living with torture every day. And I wonder who am I to demand that they "fight it out" and struggle in a life of chaos and pain for the dubious moral values I have decided are so much better than theirs because my genetic makeup entitles me to only imagine what they are going through.

I'm skeptical of the "it will all work out" mindset, especially in America where we are mostly a cruel society that worships success and expects the less fortunate to stay hidden in the shadows. For many, I suspect it doesn't all work out. Patronizing insincerity via the Hallmark school of psychology will only make it worse.

And the $200 per hour shrinks are probably the worst examples of cruel human scum in the world. To profit (obscenely) from someone's mental anguish and then to say we have a mental health crisis in America, well there's a special place in hell for those guys. I can remember worried sick about my friend, all the fancy shrinks kept recommending the creepy state hospital as the only alternative to their platinum-class services.

Maybe this is the price of living in America and consistently valuing "success" over life. We make choices everyday that determine whether things will get better or worse. Historically, I'm not optimistic we are mature and stable enough to make the modest personal sacrifices to reverse the dehumanizing disparity and injustice tearing us apart. A more equitable tax structure, universal health care, etc.

From our prisons to schools and military, we are making life harder and harder every day. Suicide is one consequence of America's twisted value system. We don't seem willing to deal with it.

One edit: The person who attempted the deed was deathly ashamed of seeking help. They were embarrassed and I had to quietly research options because there was no way they would ever take that step themselves, I think it is the stigma associated with admitting weakness. Ironically this person was once very well-off and the thought of relying on public health, well they were not about to do it because of shame, probably hammered into them by the way our idiotic right-wing media treats people with disabilities.


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