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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPending, Mississippi law: no sex outside of marriage, women can be forced to wear make up by boss,
and also anti-LGBT laws.
FFS, is it time to build a wall around Mississippi?
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/01/mississippi_vs_everyone_states_pushing_obscene_law_thats_not_only_anti_lgbt_it_could_also_force_women_to_wear_makeup/
But, because they have to win the war of the Bible-thumpers, Mississippi Republicans went a step further than other states that have passed similar anti-gay bills. This law not only protects discrimination against LGBT people, but against any person who has sex outside of marriage. It also makes it easier for employers and schools to strictly police the way you dress to make sure its masculine or feminine enough. If your boss thinks proper ladies wear make-up, he can cite religious freedom as a reason to force you to do so, and the law will protect him for it.
The state laid out three religious beliefs that give business owners broad permission to discriminate against people on the basis of:
The sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions protected by this act are the belief or conviction that:
(a) Marriage is or should be recognized as the union of
one man and one woman;
(b) Sexual relations are properly reserved to such a
marriage; and
(c) Male (man) or female (woman) refer to an individuals immutable biological sex as objectively determined by anatomy and genetics at time of birth.
These are, to be clear, the only religious beliefs the state deems worthy of extra-special protection. If you belong to a church that doesnt preach hate and there are many faiths, both Christian and otherwise, that accept LGBT people and dont think premarital sex is a sin too bad, so sad. The state of Mississippi doesnt think your religion is a legitimate one.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)patricia92243
(12,597 posts)Also, now that we don't have a proper Supreme Court, I don't know what would happen if it is a tie.
What a mess.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)parts of the US.
moonbabygo
(281 posts)then it goes back to the lower court's decision.
So much hate is taking a toll on me
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)It is beyond dumb.
yardwork
(61,680 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)yardwork
(61,680 posts)Congress is extremely right wing. They have to approve the Supreme Court nominees. There's no use in nominating people who would never get approved.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)full of people who loath HRC are going to just roll over due to her "experience" and approve her nominees?
Got it.
yardwork
(61,680 posts)Politics is not for the faint of heart.
Bernie knows all this. He's been a senator for decades. His recent rhetoric is as cynical as it gets. He pretends to be pure, but it's all an act.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and HRC is totally consistent in her actions.
At least until the next poll comes out.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)yardwork
(61,680 posts)MisterFred
(525 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Reagan quickly convinced everyone that the government was the problem, and we've been paying the price ever since. I'd be happy if Bernie just used the White House pulpit to talk about putting this country on a different path. Even if "nothing" gets done it's better than getting rightwing crap done (e.g. TPP) for the sake of getting "something" done.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)He's been a Senator for a long time, but you don't think he understands how things work? He has more experience than Clinton.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)And probably knows a hell of a lot more than a woman who just breezed through with no real accomplishments -- just to get a line on her resume for when she ran for president.
MisterFred
(525 posts)It's like these posters don't realize that, other than her own confirmation, Hillary has considerably LESS experience than Sanders in dealing with Congress!
And far fewer legislative accomplishments.
I guess that's what conventional wisdom gets you...
yardwork
(61,680 posts)MisterFred
(525 posts)Appoint people conservative enough that Republicans will vote for them!
Winning!
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Bernie or Bust!!!!!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and lots of money. I am waiting for one of the states to take a way women's right to vote. It is the only thing they haven't tried yet.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)You know he's projecting to the max.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)hey, don't look behind my closed door. This guy and his cohorts have some pretty peculiar stuff going on in their minds.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)Seriously - if that's all they want, I am sure a one way ticket to Kabul or Riyadh can be arranged.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Is there anything less sexy than a religious fundamentalist? I know they're obedient and all, and they have a duty to perform, but still...
Mira
(22,380 posts)It's time to invest in light blue fabric for burkas.
Oneironaut
(5,516 posts)Therefore, Sharia law = bad, but Christian fundamentalism that is just as oppressive = good.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)which is what they are trying to do as they work to take over the government of the US.
Oneironaut
(5,516 posts)'The only amendment that matters is the 2nd one, and we're gonna put the fear of Jesus in:
- Women
- Blacks
- Muslims
Etc. Etc.
These ignorant fucks will fear-monger, cheat, and threaten their way as far as they can. 90% of America hates their guts.
avebury
(10,952 posts)of investigators to get the goods on all the idiots who try ot pass idiotic laws like this. You know that there has to be a large number of them who act in a manner that violates their alleged religious principles.
I wish that Anonymous would step in and start ripping off the bandaid of their hypocricy.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Vinca
(50,299 posts)They seem to be proving they are as dumb as the people who vote them into office.
TeamPooka
(24,238 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)the irony does not go unnoticed
AllyCat
(16,205 posts)I don't even think the Supremes would agree with this. Kennedy and probably not even Roberts would agree with this.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)That was the wiggle room claimed by Bill when he was deposed.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)who would try to blame this on "political" or "social" forces, rather than religiously inspired bigotry.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)which bathroom my daughter should pee in.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)think.
From my point I never could tell the difference.
ck4829
(35,079 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,689 posts)Can't we just round them up and ship the Talibornagains off to Iraq or Afghanistan?
1. Puts them closer to the action in defeating those "muslins".
2. Puts them closer to the oil they think God put in the ground just for them.
3. Puts them closer to the Tigris and Euphrates where God is going to recreate the garden of Eden (Dinosaurs and all)
4. Gets them out of our hair.
Just seems like a win win win to me. Anyone who chooses to stay in the USA and professes to be an evangelical christian is allowed but is stripped of any right to vote or work in government.
It's ridiculous I know....... but eventually I think something like this is what it will come to.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)why! FFS, they are eroding into past centuries of horror and hatred.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"To be clear, being able to discriminate against gay people, transgender people and fornicators is already legal, to one extent or another, in Mississippi. What this law does is deny the state the right to discriminate against anyone who would do so. That might seem minor, but in reality, removing any threat of losing government money or contracts for forcing your bigoted religious beliefs on others is actually a pretty strong check on a lot of this behavior.
For instance, a lot of this bill would make it easier to discriminate against people who are seeking social services. As the ACLU of Mississippi points out, homeless shelters, food banks, and day cares who call themselves religious organizations i.e., many to most of them would be able to turn away a single mother and her children on the grounds that shes a sinful fornicator. Religious charter schools who get government money could expel students who are believed to be having sex. Adoption agencies can discriminate not just against gay couples and single people, but against any couple they believe had sex before they were married.
The law also offers broad protections to those who would deny medical care to people. If you work for hospital or clinic that gets government money, you can deny transgender people treatments related to their transition or psychological, counseling, or fertility services to anyone in the official list of naughty people. If a counseling service kicks you out for being gay or having sex outside of marriage, they cant lose their government contract over it under this bill."
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/01/mississippi_vs_everyone_states_pushing_obscene_law_thats_not_only_anti_lgbt_it_could_also_force_women_to_wear_makeup/
Mississippi. God damn.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)depths of stupidity, while proud of their ignorance and backwardness.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,723 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,723 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)pay to put up with Mississippi and a firm 2 year contract that he could come back to CA in two years with the same pay increase. He took it, and said living in Mississippi for 2 years was an absolutely dreadful experience.
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
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sinkingfeeling
(51,469 posts)obey the teachings of Jesus. So, I guess that's about 95% of evangelicals.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)the resurrection of legal nullification and a new foundation for Jim Crow if they can get away with it. It should not go unsaid that every one of these 'legislators' has taken an oath of allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, but hell, they've been pissing on that since 1860.
lpbk2713
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The rest of the world wants to point and giggle.
mountain grammy
(26,640 posts)and unconstitutional! Fuck off, Mississippi, who will spend taxpayers' dollars to defend their bullshit while schools, healthcare, roads and public services suffer.
Flyingbird5066
(75 posts)Iggo
(47,561 posts)Marthe48
(16,994 posts)or any other backward state. I have a list of states I won't visit, spend my money, recommend to visit. I wish all of these cretins would move to Kiribati.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)it's a drive through state. No stopping than for gas, no meals, no lodging, no visiting any park, place or anything. I know some truckers that do the same. Fuel outside the state and then a straight drive through. It's pathetic what some states are turning themselves into. In the long term, they will just be laughing stocks and holes of desperation. I feel so sorry for people stuck there for whatever reason, and those that get brainwashed into this prehistoric mindset of centuries of hatefulness and ignorance past.
Marthe48
(16,994 posts)I would have replied earlier, but my husband is very ill and he is all I care about right now. If citizens in those states see comments like this and businesses in those states realize that more people support equality than don't, maybe it'll make a difference. I just don't believe we still have to have this discussion. The Earth is a spaceship. If it were the Starship Enterprise, can you imagine if the red shirts hated the yellow shirts? It would have crashed into Mars.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)hoping your husband gets better! Thanks for your reply!
Marthe48
(16,994 posts)We haven't gotten any good news from the doctors. My husband is starting chemo Wed. but the doctors didn't give us any hope. So I am making my own hope. I appreciate your thoughtfulness more than you know.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)hoping your husband gets better! Thanks for your reply!
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Mississippi, find yourself another country to be part of."
randome
(34,845 posts)"But it says, right here, in Leviticus..."
"No, that's not what it says. Scholars think..."
"I don't care what scholars think. It says right here..."
"No, it doesn't."
And on and on and on.
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allan01
(1,950 posts)is alec behind these model bills ? hmmmm. then they whine ., billy . obama , sanders and hillary are dictators ? heil pffft seperation of church and state guys . remember ???????? and when "they " get caught , sputtter sputt sputt, and dont we have some of those laws already on the books ?
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Republican gerrymandering has been entrenched in the South for decades. I am sure that like Texas, there are a lot of Democrats/Progressives in MS., and the rest of the South. Having said that, the Republicans/Tea Party folks heavily outnumber liberals. I am licensed there after studying for the Bar exam for 4 days. Still, I watched several people get up during the test and quit because they found the exam too hard. These are people who went to law school there and just graduated. It's supposedly still fresh in their minds!
The poverty and poor public education has allowed the corruption to run rampant. It is much like the movie Idiocracy. They (speaking generally) have a poor understanding of the world outside of their state. With this limited world view and tons of RW propaganda, they have become something that Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida can point to and say "at least we are not Mississippi!"
Small consolation when my own state produces Loui Gohmert, Tom Delay, John "Cornholio" Cornyn, Ted Poe, and a host of other RW crazies! If we could ever register and get them to the voting booth, we have a very large minority population that historically votes Democratic. We could even overcome the severe gerrymandering to turn Texas blue. Unfortunately, the DNC will not compete here, or support the Democratic candidates that do run, so we hear only Tea Party campaign ads and never hear the views of Democrats and Progressives. Bernie's attendance numbers at his events here demonstrate that there is a large population of hungry Democrats/Progressives that are underserved by our Party
To my fellow Northern Democrats, please don't write us off, tell us we should secede or some other stupid crap. Help us drive them out of power and we all benefit! It can be done, but not without outside help.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Paladin
(28,268 posts)At least for the time being.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Mississippi is the poorest state in the union, and is continually spit upon by both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives by the asinine laws they enact, like this one, and from liberals who react by turning their backs and refusing to help turn things around.
It's when things like this happen that make me question why we still even have state governments at all. I'd much rather the important things like elections, healthcare, anti-discrimination, and all of our other major liberal ideals were federally-run and regulated. Leaving those things to the states has given us situations like in Mississippi and others. Some things are just more important than leaving it up to the locals.
Deadshot
(384 posts)I don't see how this could even stand once the courts get a hold of it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)vote in crazy politicians because of gerrymandering. They are so preoccupied over an individual's private parts, I would say there is a great deal of perversion in the legislature. It's just damn weird.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)and I wouldn't want to see his soul.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)Melurkyoulongtime
(136 posts)he could use a little makeup himself. And moisturizer, lots and lots of moisturizer
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Turbineguy
(37,360 posts)Are republicans aware there is an election in November or do they already know the fix is in?
Oneironaut
(5,516 posts)Would they still uphold the law? How about if a business owner made a rule that Christians had to denounce their faith and then pray to Allah with the business owner?
Is Atheism protected? Could I then hang a poster calling the Christian church a fraud and the Bible a collection of fairy tales?
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Daesh or any other fundamentalist group that claims it has the ONLY right religious path. We have the Xtian Taliban right here in MS.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)When I do that, I still see a medieval view of the world, one in which noble and peasant is still the most sacred, important relationship. These assholes just replace the words "master" and "serf" with "employer" and "employee."
It goes down to their belief that the reason they're rich is primarily because God wants them to be, and that the best way for the nobility to "help" their serfs is for the serfs to give everything they can to God's chosen and let the nobility's generosity trickle down to the peasantry.
Theses fucks still have a medieval viewpoint of religion and sex and politics and international relations and economics and everything else. This law is just one more facet of their backwards thinking.
Rex
(65,616 posts)will be the only entities that can save us. It is quite apparent by now that the GOP state leaders don't listen to their constituents nor do they care about just laws. So it will be up to Coke and Pepsi to pull up stakes in these states and move to more progressive states where the laws are not...shall we say...batshit insanely immoral and unconstitutional?
We have to depend on huge brands to save us now, the M$M and politicians are convinced we are all too stupid to vote them out or boycott them out of business. It will be up to other businesses to save us from this hell, protesting simply does not work anymore. Only money talks now.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)actually gave him hazardous duty pay to compensate him for putting up with the idiots in Mississippi, and the pay differential was significant, plus a contract to pull him out of there after 2 years. He said it was absolutely deplorable, the most hateful and ignorant place he had ever been.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)It is still probably gender discrimination under Title VII to force women in the workplace to comply with a strict dress code.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)are in power because of a weakened left. The left kept these RW extremists in check until the neo cons and neo liberals enabled them to thrive, and they are destroying the country, thanks guys.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Initech
(100,091 posts)The sooner these anti freedom laws are declared unconstitutional the better.
Rex
(65,616 posts)They LOVE deny people their rights, then turn around and pretend Christians are being prosecuted for their faith. I cannot wait for the GOP to die off...the day will be a glorious day for all of human kind. We shall erect statues over it's demise.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)bunch of people. The GOP should really be classified as a mental health issue IMO.
Rex
(65,616 posts)That would lead one to also wonder why the M$M has such a mentally unhealthy relationship with their favorite presidential hopeful. As long as the M$M keeps reporting that Trump is an unstoppable monster, people will keep believing it. Even though it is a boldface lie. He is a paper tiger created by the cable industry and the political elite. And now that the GOP is exposed maggots and all, their 'guru's' like David Brooks will just ignore 35 years of systemic abuse to look for a new hook.
They've all been exposed as cheap con men looking for the next long con.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)and a major problem is soooo many Americans are so gullible. Joseph Goebbels would love today's America for spreading propaganda.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I think he would take a particular interest in Donald Trump.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)of people. Often religion is the US is like a disease, and people are fleeing from it as so diabolical and backward. And, it's often a big $$$$$$$$'s maker for those on the take in the religious rackets in the US. I'm amazed in the 21st century there is so much of this bullshit still going on.
Initech
(100,091 posts)Not only is it censorship of freedom of speech and expression, it also violates that whole "Congress shall make no law establishing religion." Part of the 1st amendment. But the fundamentalists don't care about that. Bring that up in a debate and they'll scream persecution at the drop of a hat.
yuiyoshida
(41,833 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)They_Live
(3,238 posts)I'm going to stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Fucking painful.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)Who in their right mind wants to vote for that garbage?!!!
Bryant, you fucking redneck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Shall we place bets on how many women get arrested for having sex outside of marriage? And how many men? The last number will be zero, I'm sure.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,132 posts)How Christian of them, bless their hateful hearts....
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)Riddle me this, DUers...there's a fairly comprehensive hit list in the Old Testament. You're supposed to whack:
1) Anyone who "sacrifices his children to Molech"
2) Anyone who "turns to mediums and spiritists"
3) Anyone who curses his parents
4) Anyone who has sex outside of marriage
5) Anyone who screws any of his or her relatives
6) Anyone who fucks a non-human animal...no children, "non-human animal" is not a synonym for "Republican"
7) Boys who like boys and girls who like girls
It is safe to assume that any person walking the streets in the US today falls into one of those seven categories. Does this then mean that I can kill anyone in Mississippi and beat the murder rap by playing the Jesus card?
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)While it doesn't establish a religion per-se, it does establish into law religious beliefs that are pertinent to a specific sect of a specific religion or two.
I can see this going to the federal Supreme Court and being struck down.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Besides having a law degree, and 30 hours of required courses including Constitutional Law.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)I'm not a lawyer. I haven't studied law.
I guess it follows the principle of whether it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... then by golly it must be a monkey. At least to who is writing this legislation.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)If a Protestant boss in Mississippi can cite religious freedom to tell a woman who works for him to wear make up, can the woman al cite religious freedom to refuse on the grounds that she is a Mormon?
Of course, the Mississippi law is a piece of trash.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Fucking idiots. This is blatantly unconstitutional and will be thrown out the second it is brought before a court.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Though it could be argued is that the law is more Islamic than Christian.
It's just hateful law.
Triana
(22,666 posts)WTF is next? Burkas?
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)And moving to Texas after World War I. My grandfather's brother moved to San Antonio and became a real estate developer.
I took my grandmother to her 60th high school reunion way back in 1976 in Kosciusko. I was totally appalled. I was convinced Texas was a bastion of liberalism. I have not been back in forty years, unsurprisingly.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)boring personal anecdote:
years ago, while living in the deep south, i got a short haircut to scare off sexual harrassers
it worked, but then i had to deal with OMG Teh Ghey
worth it tho, femininity is a fucking prison.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)like porn stars but the little people must control their nasty urges.
Too funny and sad at the same time. Southerners love to run their states like ISIS. Total theocratic control. Zero religious freedom.
You have to pity the stupid rubes who vote for these kinds of politicians. They honestly cast their ballots thinking these snakes "Love the Lard and Jeebus with all there hart."
What's the current wager on the date this law's sponsors are caught fucking people who are not their lawfully-wedded spouses?
Mary Mac
(323 posts)Surely not. I am speech less.
3catwoman3
(24,024 posts)...NOBODY better ever try to tell me to wear makeup.
jonks2746
(41 posts)Just unbelievable.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Can she force her male employees to wear makeup?