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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:22 AM Apr 2016

Pending, Mississippi law: no sex outside of marriage, women can be forced to wear make up by boss,

and also anti-LGBT laws.

FFS, is it time to build a wall around Mississippi?

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/01/mississippi_vs_everyone_states_pushing_obscene_law_thats_not_only_anti_lgbt_it_could_also_force_women_to_wear_makeup/



The 2016 legislative session has been a competition between red states to see who can pass the most hateful anti-LGBT bills under the guise of “religious freedom,’ but Mississippi state Republicans look like they’re going to emerge the winner. Friday, the state house passed the final version of a bill meant to protect and encourage business owners in the state to discriminate against LGBT people, while simultaneously enshrining, in violation of the constitution, the idea that conservative Christianity is the only legitimate religion.

But, because they have to win the war of the Bible-thumpers, Mississippi Republicans went a step further than other states that have passed similar anti-gay bills. This law not only protects discrimination against LGBT people, but against any person who has sex outside of marriage. It also makes it easier for employers and schools to strictly police the way you dress to make sure it’s masculine or feminine enough. If your boss thinks proper ladies wear make-up, he can cite “religious freedom” as a reason to force you to do so, and the law will protect him for it.

The state laid out three religious beliefs that give business owners broad permission to discriminate against people on the basis of:

The sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions protected by this act are the belief or conviction that:

(a) Marriage is or should be recognized as the union of
one man and one woman;

(b) Sexual relations are properly reserved to such a
marriage; and

(c) Male (man) or female (woman) refer to an individual’s immutable biological sex as objectively determined by anatomy and genetics at time of birth.

These are, to be clear, the only religious beliefs the state deems worthy of extra-special protection. If you belong to a church that doesn’t preach hate — and there are many faiths, both Christian and otherwise, that accept LGBT people and don’t think premarital sex is a sin — too bad, so sad. The state of Mississippi doesn’t think your religion is a legitimate one.
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Pending, Mississippi law: no sex outside of marriage, women can be forced to wear make up by boss, (Original Post) RKP5637 Apr 2016 OP
OMD In_The_Wind Apr 2016 #1
Can stuff like this be taken to the Supreme Court and overturned? patricia92243 Apr 2016 #2
One would think so. So much is a mess anymore it's hard to tell. Logic and sanity seem to be fleeing RKP5637 Apr 2016 #12
If it's a tie moonbabygo Apr 2016 #13
Hopefully, even the Fifth Circuit would call this law illegal JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #14
This is an example of why the elections matter. yardwork Apr 2016 #28
YES SO TRUE. GO BERNIE !! pangaia Apr 2016 #40
I don't know that Bernie understands how to get nominees approved by Congress. yardwork Apr 2016 #44
And an extremely rightwing congress Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #51
Politics is a game, and Hillary is skilled at it. yardwork Apr 2016 #70
So, Bernie is "all an act" Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #91
I think you meant to say Hillary not Bernie...Hillary, it's all an act. There, fixed it for you. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #124
Capitulate to the right wing! It's the Clintonian way! Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #60
What is your solution? yardwork Apr 2016 #69
Other than not do the Republicans' work for them? nt MisterFred Apr 2016 #104
Step One: Change the fucking conversation! Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #123
That's absurd, truly noiretextatique Apr 2016 #75
Bernie has spent a long time in Congress nichomachus Apr 2016 #100
Seriously! MisterFred Apr 2016 #105
How many senators have endorsed Bernie? yardwork Apr 2016 #115
Hillary understands how to get nominees through Congress. MisterFred Apr 2016 #103
Based on exactly what? nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #114
Yeah, so wake up Politicalboi Apr 2016 #101
Yes, taking years awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #58
I wonder what he's doing behind closed doors. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #3
Yep, that is generally what is going on. Psychological projection, look at them, they are bad, but RKP5637 Apr 2016 #4
Mississippi to rewrite bill to make Incest the only form of legal sex in Mississippi! RKP5637 Apr 2016 #30
Sharia Law!!! Yay!!! Lucky Luciano Apr 2016 #5
Exactly! Christian Sharia Law! These people are so F'ed up words pale to describe them. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #11
I'm at a loss for words as well. It's a wonder they procreate. sammythecat Apr 2016 #49
Just what I was thinking after throwing up my breakfast Mira Apr 2016 #24
It's only bad if they disagree with it. Oneironaut Apr 2016 #62
Christian fundamentalism would be doing exactly the same if they could get away with it, RKP5637 Apr 2016 #67
Exactly. 'Screw the Constitution!' Oneironaut Apr 2016 #71
I wish that I could win a megabucks lottery just to have a team avebury Apr 2016 #6
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #10
That's going to put a real crimp in the style of GOP politicians. Vinca Apr 2016 #7
Good thing it isn't Alabama. nt TeamPooka Apr 2016 #66
he could use a trowel or two tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #8
Really, this cannot be legal. AllyCat Apr 2016 #9
But did they provide a definition of "sexual relations"? Divernan Apr 2016 #15
Sadly, there are people on DU, who claim to be progressives skepticscott Apr 2016 #16
It's their Christian Sharia Law! People now need to call it out for what it is. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #20
Oh and there are quite a few here who aren't quite sure Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #22
As a former repair plumber, I can tell you it really, really doesn't matter, regardless of what they jtuck004 Apr 2016 #36
Oh, it's religion alright... Cult of the Chromosome ck4829 Apr 2016 #17
Words fail. nt IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #18
They really just need their own country. KentuckyWoman Apr 2016 #19
And people continue to flee religion in the US and these damn fools and their ilk wonder RKP5637 Apr 2016 #23
But The South is Super Liberal!!!!! I do not forgive them, I will not forgive them. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #21
Mississippi, a good example of what happens when education fails and masses sink into the RKP5637 Apr 2016 #25
This! smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #42
Just way too much incest in Mississippi to allow for good genetic diversity. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #78
Soon, they will probably make incest the only legal sex in Mississippi. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #79
Or only allow those under 25 to have sex. Just as long as more Clevons can be bred. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #82
One of my friends had to go there for two years from a CA company. They gave him a huge increase in RKP5637 Apr 2016 #85
This would criminalize the Virgin Mary jpak Apr 2016 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author RKP5637 Apr 2016 #27
My religion prohibits me from dealing with self-righteous hypocrites who do not sinkingfeeling Apr 2016 #29
Yep, they rewrite the book to their liking as they go along. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #31
You are witnessing sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #32
I feel bad for DUer Mississippians. lpbk2713 Apr 2016 #33
Unbelievable, unimaginable, unthinkable mountain grammy Apr 2016 #34
Does it seriously have a snowball's chance in hell of passing Flyingbird5066 Apr 2016 #35
It gets the knuckle draggers to the polls to vote for republican candidates. Iggo Apr 2016 #64
Why we will never visit MS Marthe48 Apr 2016 #37
I have a list like that too. Some of them I might have to drive through, but like a flyover state, RKP5637 Apr 2016 #46
You nailed it :) Marthe48 Apr 2016 #125
It's always amazing how some want to enshrie hatred into law, incredible. All of my thoughts are RKP5637 Apr 2016 #126
Thank you Marthe48 Apr 2016 #132
It's always amazing how some want to enshrine hatred into law, incredible. All of my thoughts are RKP5637 Apr 2016 #127
Phil Ochs was right: "Here's to the land you've torn out the heart of Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #38
Can you imagine a dispute that ends up in court? randome Apr 2016 #39
trying to shove that blue law shit down our throat again? allan01 Apr 2016 #41
What would Jebus do? Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #45
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #47
So true. DhhD Apr 2016 #95
Thanks Mississippi, for making Texas look good by comparison. Paladin Apr 2016 #48
Honestly, I feel sorry for them. kentauros Apr 2016 #130
Christian Sharia Law. Deadshot Apr 2016 #50
It is absolutely bizarre. I wonder if the majority of the people like this, or do they just RKP5637 Apr 2016 #52
Look at those sick eyes. I truly believe that eyes are the windows to the soul... Frustratedlady Apr 2016 #53
That, was the first thing I noticed too, the demented crazed look, like crazy with religion. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #54
These legislative proposals are a new low even for Mississippi. ladjf Apr 2016 #55
Truth be told Melurkyoulongtime Apr 2016 #56
LOL!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #59
It's their last chance to fuck things up. Maybe. Turbineguy Apr 2016 #57
What if a strict Muslim business owner demanded his employees wear full burkas? Oneironaut Apr 2016 #61
We don't need to worry about BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #63
Completely set aside sex and/or religion for a second Nevernose Apr 2016 #65
As much as I rail against the plutocracy, I have to admit the very conglomerates I hate Rex Apr 2016 #68
Wow Liberal_in_LA Apr 2016 #72
I can't believe this is happening in the 21st century. What an incredibly hateful and bizarre place! RKP5637 Apr 2016 #73
One of the guys in our group in CA had to go work there for 2 years. Our company RKP5637 Apr 2016 #74
Mississippistan Socal31 Apr 2016 #76
Home of the Christian Taliban enforcing Christian Sharia Law. RKP5637 Apr 2016 #77
I get the point but Depaysement Apr 2016 #80
American Taliban felix_numinous Apr 2016 #81
They really are, as they make the US the laughing stock of the international community! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #87
Religious freedom is complete and utter bullshit. Initech Apr 2016 #83
Just like all other GOP talking points, 'religious freedom' really means 'human oppression'. Rex Apr 2016 #84
And the creatures that run for presidential hopefulls. The GOP is an utterly demented RKP5637 Apr 2016 #88
We see it on display daily, sadly too much in Trumps case. Rex Apr 2016 #90
Yep, as we know, it's all about $$$$$$$'s. They could care less about the future of this country, RKP5637 Apr 2016 #92
He would flourish in 2016's America with an army of followers waiting for him. Rex Apr 2016 #93
Yes, definitely, Donald Trump! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #96
Religious Freedom, like Family Values, is often a code word for discrimination against all types RKP5637 Apr 2016 #86
What the assholes need to realize is that this is a direct 1st amendment violation. Initech Apr 2016 #89
Governor puts into Law New Clothing for People In Mississippi yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #94
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #97
if it's going to be that kind of party They_Live Apr 2016 #98
Idiocracy.... blackspade Apr 2016 #99
Yep, generational stupidity and now Idiocracy! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #102
............ desmiller Apr 2016 #106
And if this garbage actually becomes law, SheilaT Apr 2016 #107
That is beyond fucked up!!! rbrnmw Apr 2016 #108
So Adultery and Divorce are still A-OK? AwakeAtLast Apr 2016 #109
I found it... jmowreader Apr 2016 #110
Unconstitutional. mwooldri Apr 2016 #111
Looks void on its face, to me but what do I know? Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2016 #117
Glad you and I agree... except you have authority on the subject. mwooldri Apr 2016 #119
Question: Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #112
So in other words, the christian version of sharia law, yes? truebrit71 Apr 2016 #113
I condemn it for being anti-Christian. mwooldri Apr 2016 #120
American F*cking TALIBAN. Triana Apr 2016 #116
At least my grandparents got the hell out of Kosciusko after graduating from Mississippi A&M. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2016 #118
this confirms what i always suspected about this part of the country redruddyred Apr 2016 #121
Family values governors and politicians can fornicate Tsiyu Apr 2016 #122
makeup? Mary Mac Apr 2016 #128
Nobody, but... 3catwoman3 Apr 2016 #129
These laws are just getting ridiculous jonks2746 Apr 2016 #131
What if the boss is a woman? KamaAina Apr 2016 #133

patricia92243

(12,597 posts)
2. Can stuff like this be taken to the Supreme Court and overturned?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016

Also, now that we don't have a proper Supreme Court, I don't know what would happen if it is a tie.

What a mess.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
12. One would think so. So much is a mess anymore it's hard to tell. Logic and sanity seem to be fleeing
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:09 AM
Apr 2016

parts of the US.

yardwork

(61,680 posts)
44. I don't know that Bernie understands how to get nominees approved by Congress.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:22 AM
Apr 2016

Congress is extremely right wing. They have to approve the Supreme Court nominees. There's no use in nominating people who would never get approved.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
51. And an extremely rightwing congress
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

full of people who loath HRC are going to just roll over due to her "experience" and approve her nominees?

Got it.

yardwork

(61,680 posts)
70. Politics is a game, and Hillary is skilled at it.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:16 PM
Apr 2016

Politics is not for the faint of heart.

Bernie knows all this. He's been a senator for decades. His recent rhetoric is as cynical as it gets. He pretends to be pure, but it's all an act.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
91. So, Bernie is "all an act"
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:56 PM
Apr 2016

and HRC is totally consistent in her actions.

At least until the next poll comes out.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
123. Step One: Change the fucking conversation!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016

Reagan quickly convinced everyone that the government was the problem, and we've been paying the price ever since. I'd be happy if Bernie just used the White House pulpit to talk about putting this country on a different path. Even if "nothing" gets done it's better than getting rightwing crap done (e.g. TPP) for the sake of getting "something" done.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
75. That's absurd, truly
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

He's been a Senator for a long time, but you don't think he understands how things work? He has more experience than Clinton.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
100. Bernie has spent a long time in Congress
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

And probably knows a hell of a lot more than a woman who just breezed through with no real accomplishments -- just to get a line on her resume for when she ran for president.

MisterFred

(525 posts)
105. Seriously!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:15 PM
Apr 2016

It's like these posters don't realize that, other than her own confirmation, Hillary has considerably LESS experience than Sanders in dealing with Congress!

And far fewer legislative accomplishments.

I guess that's what conventional wisdom gets you...

MisterFred

(525 posts)
103. Hillary understands how to get nominees through Congress.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

Appoint people conservative enough that Republicans will vote for them!

Winning!

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
58. Yes, taking years
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

and lots of money. I am waiting for one of the states to take a way women's right to vote. It is the only thing they haven't tried yet.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
4. Yep, that is generally what is going on. Psychological projection, look at them, they are bad, but
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

hey, don't look behind my closed door. This guy and his cohorts have some pretty peculiar stuff going on in their minds.

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
5. Sharia Law!!! Yay!!!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:56 AM
Apr 2016

Seriously - if that's all they want, I am sure a one way ticket to Kabul or Riyadh can be arranged.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
49. I'm at a loss for words as well. It's a wonder they procreate.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

Is there anything less sexy than a religious fundamentalist? I know they're obedient and all, and they have a duty to perform, but still...

Mira

(22,380 posts)
24. Just what I was thinking after throwing up my breakfast
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

It's time to invest in light blue fabric for burkas.

Oneironaut

(5,516 posts)
62. It's only bad if they disagree with it.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:12 PM
Apr 2016

Therefore, Sharia law = bad, but Christian fundamentalism that is just as oppressive = good.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
67. Christian fundamentalism would be doing exactly the same if they could get away with it,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

which is what they are trying to do as they work to take over the government of the US.

Oneironaut

(5,516 posts)
71. Exactly. 'Screw the Constitution!'
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:21 PM
Apr 2016

'The only amendment that matters is the 2nd one, and we're gonna put the fear of Jesus in:

- Women
- Blacks
- Muslims
Etc. Etc.

These ignorant fucks will fear-monger, cheat, and threaten their way as far as they can. 90% of America hates their guts.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
6. I wish that I could win a megabucks lottery just to have a team
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:57 AM
Apr 2016

of investigators to get the goods on all the idiots who try ot pass idiotic laws like this. You know that there has to be a large number of them who act in a manner that violates their alleged religious principles.

I wish that Anonymous would step in and start ripping off the bandaid of their hypocricy.

Vinca

(50,299 posts)
7. That's going to put a real crimp in the style of GOP politicians.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

They seem to be proving they are as dumb as the people who vote them into office.

AllyCat

(16,205 posts)
9. Really, this cannot be legal.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

I don't even think the Supremes would agree with this. Kennedy and probably not even Roberts would agree with this.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
15. But did they provide a definition of "sexual relations"?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

That was the wiggle room claimed by Bill when he was deposed.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
16. Sadly, there are people on DU, who claim to be progressives
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:20 AM
Apr 2016

who would try to blame this on "political" or "social" forces, rather than religiously inspired bigotry.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
36. As a former repair plumber, I can tell you it really, really doesn't matter, regardless of what they
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:00 AM
Apr 2016

think.

From my point I never could tell the difference.

KentuckyWoman

(6,689 posts)
19. They really just need their own country.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

Can't we just round them up and ship the Talibornagains off to Iraq or Afghanistan?

1. Puts them closer to the action in defeating those "muslins".
2. Puts them closer to the oil they think God put in the ground just for them.
3. Puts them closer to the Tigris and Euphrates where God is going to recreate the garden of Eden (Dinosaurs and all)
4. Gets them out of our hair.

Just seems like a win win win to me. Anyone who chooses to stay in the USA and professes to be an evangelical christian is allowed but is stripped of any right to vote or work in government.

It's ridiculous I know....... but eventually I think something like this is what it will come to.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
23. And people continue to flee religion in the US and these damn fools and their ilk wonder
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:50 AM
Apr 2016

why! FFS, they are eroding into past centuries of horror and hatred.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. But The South is Super Liberal!!!!! I do not forgive them, I will not forgive them.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

"To be clear, being able to discriminate against gay people, transgender people and fornicators is already legal, to one extent or another, in Mississippi. What this law does is deny the state the right to “discriminate” against anyone who would do so. That might seem minor, but in reality, removing any threat of losing government money or contracts for forcing your bigoted religious beliefs on others is actually a pretty strong check on a lot of this behavior.
For instance, a lot of this bill would make it easier to discriminate against people who are seeking social services. As the ACLU of Mississippi points out, homeless shelters, food banks, and day cares who call themselves “religious organizations” — i.e., many to most of them — would be able to turn away a single mother and her children on the grounds that she’s a sinful fornicator. Religious charter schools who get government money could expel students who are believed to be having sex. Adoption agencies can discriminate not just against gay couples and single people, but against any couple they believe had sex before they were married.

The law also offers broad protections to those who would deny medical care to people. If you work for hospital or clinic that gets government money, you can deny transgender people treatments related to their transition or “psychological, counseling, or fertility services” to anyone in the official list of naughty people. If a counseling service kicks you out for being gay or having sex outside of marriage, they can’t lose their government contract over it under this bill."
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/01/mississippi_vs_everyone_states_pushing_obscene_law_thats_not_only_anti_lgbt_it_could_also_force_women_to_wear_makeup/


Mississippi. God damn.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
25. Mississippi, a good example of what happens when education fails and masses sink into the
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

depths of stupidity, while proud of their ignorance and backwardness.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
85. One of my friends had to go there for two years from a CA company. They gave him a huge increase in
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:24 PM
Apr 2016

pay to put up with Mississippi and a firm 2 year contract that he could come back to CA in two years with the same pay increase. He took it, and said living in Mississippi for 2 years was an absolutely dreadful experience.

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sinkingfeeling

(51,469 posts)
29. My religion prohibits me from dealing with self-righteous hypocrites who do not
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

obey the teachings of Jesus. So, I guess that's about 95% of evangelicals.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
32. You are witnessing
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:50 AM
Apr 2016

the resurrection of legal nullification and a new foundation for Jim Crow if they can get away with it. It should not go unsaid that every one of these 'legislators' has taken an oath of allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, but hell, they've been pissing on that since 1860.


lpbk2713

(42,763 posts)
33. I feel bad for DUer Mississippians.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:53 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:54 PM - Edit history (1)




The rest of the world wants to point and giggle.




mountain grammy

(26,640 posts)
34. Unbelievable, unimaginable, unthinkable
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

and unconstitutional! Fuck off, Mississippi, who will spend taxpayers' dollars to defend their bullshit while schools, healthcare, roads and public services suffer.

Marthe48

(16,994 posts)
37. Why we will never visit MS
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

or any other backward state. I have a list of states I won't visit, spend my money, recommend to visit. I wish all of these cretins would move to Kiribati.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
46. I have a list like that too. Some of them I might have to drive through, but like a flyover state,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

it's a drive through state. No stopping than for gas, no meals, no lodging, no visiting any park, place or anything. I know some truckers that do the same. Fuel outside the state and then a straight drive through. It's pathetic what some states are turning themselves into. In the long term, they will just be laughing stocks and holes of desperation. I feel so sorry for people stuck there for whatever reason, and those that get brainwashed into this prehistoric mindset of centuries of hatefulness and ignorance past.

Marthe48

(16,994 posts)
125. You nailed it :)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

I would have replied earlier, but my husband is very ill and he is all I care about right now. If citizens in those states see comments like this and businesses in those states realize that more people support equality than don't, maybe it'll make a difference. I just don't believe we still have to have this discussion. The Earth is a spaceship. If it were the Starship Enterprise, can you imagine if the red shirts hated the yellow shirts? It would have crashed into Mars.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
126. It's always amazing how some want to enshrie hatred into law, incredible. All of my thoughts are
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:01 PM
Apr 2016

hoping your husband gets better! Thanks for your reply!

Marthe48

(16,994 posts)
132. Thank you
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:49 PM
Apr 2016

We haven't gotten any good news from the doctors. My husband is starting chemo Wed. but the doctors didn't give us any hope. So I am making my own hope. I appreciate your thoughtfulness more than you know.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
127. It's always amazing how some want to enshrine hatred into law, incredible. All of my thoughts are
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:02 PM
Apr 2016

hoping your husband gets better! Thanks for your reply!

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
38. Phil Ochs was right: "Here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

Mississippi, find yourself another country to be part of."

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. Can you imagine a dispute that ends up in court?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

"But it says, right here, in Leviticus..."

"No, that's not what it says. Scholars think..."

"I don't care what scholars think. It says right here..."

"No, it doesn't."

And on and on and on.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

allan01

(1,950 posts)
41. trying to shove that blue law shit down our throat again?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

is alec behind these model bills ? hmmmm. then they whine ., billy . obama , sanders and hillary are dictators ? heil pffft seperation of church and state guys . remember ???????? and when "they " get caught , sputtter sputt sputt, and dont we have some of those laws already on the books ?

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
45. What would Jebus do?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

Republican gerrymandering has been entrenched in the South for decades. I am sure that like Texas, there are a lot of Democrats/Progressives in MS., and the rest of the South. Having said that, the Republicans/Tea Party folks heavily outnumber liberals. I am licensed there after studying for the Bar exam for 4 days. Still, I watched several people get up during the test and quit because they found the exam too hard. These are people who went to law school there and just graduated. It's supposedly still fresh in their minds!

The poverty and poor public education has allowed the corruption to run rampant. It is much like the movie Idiocracy. They (speaking generally) have a poor understanding of the world outside of their state. With this limited world view and tons of RW propaganda, they have become something that Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida can point to and say "at least we are not Mississippi!"

Small consolation when my own state produces Loui Gohmert, Tom Delay, John "Cornholio" Cornyn, Ted Poe, and a host of other RW crazies! If we could ever register and get them to the voting booth, we have a very large minority population that historically votes Democratic. We could even overcome the severe gerrymandering to turn Texas blue. Unfortunately, the DNC will not compete here, or support the Democratic candidates that do run, so we hear only Tea Party campaign ads and never hear the views of Democrats and Progressives. Bernie's attendance numbers at his events here demonstrate that there is a large population of hungry Democrats/Progressives that are underserved by our Party

To my fellow Northern Democrats, please don't write us off, tell us we should secede or some other stupid crap. Help us drive them out of power and we all benefit! It can be done, but not without outside help.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
130. Honestly, I feel sorry for them.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

Mississippi is the poorest state in the union, and is continually spit upon by both conservatives and liberals. Conservatives by the asinine laws they enact, like this one, and from liberals who react by turning their backs and refusing to help turn things around.

It's when things like this happen that make me question why we still even have state governments at all. I'd much rather the important things like elections, healthcare, anti-discrimination, and all of our other major liberal ideals were federally-run and regulated. Leaving those things to the states has given us situations like in Mississippi and others. Some things are just more important than leaving it up to the locals.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
52. It is absolutely bizarre. I wonder if the majority of the people like this, or do they just
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

vote in crazy politicians because of gerrymandering. They are so preoccupied over an individual's private parts, I would say there is a great deal of perversion in the legislature. It's just damn weird.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
53. Look at those sick eyes. I truly believe that eyes are the windows to the soul...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

and I wouldn't want to see his soul.

Turbineguy

(37,360 posts)
57. It's their last chance to fuck things up. Maybe.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

Are republicans aware there is an election in November or do they already know the fix is in?

Oneironaut

(5,516 posts)
61. What if a strict Muslim business owner demanded his employees wear full burkas?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

Would they still uphold the law? How about if a business owner made a rule that Christians had to denounce their faith and then pray to Allah with the business owner?

Is Atheism protected? Could I then hang a poster calling the Christian church a fraud and the Bible a collection of fairy tales?

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
63. We don't need to worry about
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:16 PM
Apr 2016

Daesh or any other fundamentalist group that claims it has the ONLY right religious path. We have the Xtian Taliban right here in MS.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
65. Completely set aside sex and/or religion for a second
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

When I do that, I still see a medieval view of the world, one in which noble and peasant is still the most sacred, important relationship. These assholes just replace the words "master" and "serf" with "employer" and "employee."

It goes down to their belief that the reason they're rich is primarily because God wants them to be, and that the best way for the nobility to "help" their serfs is for the serfs to give everything they can to God's chosen and let the nobility's generosity trickle down to the peasantry.

Theses fucks still have a medieval viewpoint of religion and sex and politics and international relations and economics and everything else. This law is just one more facet of their backwards thinking.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
68. As much as I rail against the plutocracy, I have to admit the very conglomerates I hate
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 01:04 PM
Apr 2016

will be the only entities that can save us. It is quite apparent by now that the GOP state leaders don't listen to their constituents nor do they care about just laws. So it will be up to Coke and Pepsi to pull up stakes in these states and move to more progressive states where the laws are not...shall we say...batshit insanely immoral and unconstitutional?

We have to depend on huge brands to save us now, the M$M and politicians are convinced we are all too stupid to vote them out or boycott them out of business. It will be up to other businesses to save us from this hell, protesting simply does not work anymore. Only money talks now.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
74. One of the guys in our group in CA had to go work there for 2 years. Our company
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

actually gave him hazardous duty pay to compensate him for putting up with the idiots in Mississippi, and the pay differential was significant, plus a contract to pull him out of there after 2 years. He said it was absolutely deplorable, the most hateful and ignorant place he had ever been.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
80. I get the point but
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

It is still probably gender discrimination under Title VII to force women in the workplace to comply with a strict dress code.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
81. American Taliban
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

are in power because of a weakened left. The left kept these RW extremists in check until the neo cons and neo liberals enabled them to thrive, and they are destroying the country, thanks guys.

Initech

(100,091 posts)
83. Religious freedom is complete and utter bullshit.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:12 PM
Apr 2016

The sooner these anti freedom laws are declared unconstitutional the better.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
84. Just like all other GOP talking points, 'religious freedom' really means 'human oppression'.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

They LOVE deny people their rights, then turn around and pretend Christians are being prosecuted for their faith. I cannot wait for the GOP to die off...the day will be a glorious day for all of human kind. We shall erect statues over it's demise.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
88. And the creatures that run for presidential hopefulls. The GOP is an utterly demented
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:36 PM
Apr 2016

bunch of people. The GOP should really be classified as a mental health issue IMO.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
90. We see it on display daily, sadly too much in Trumps case.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

That would lead one to also wonder why the M$M has such a mentally unhealthy relationship with their favorite presidential hopeful. As long as the M$M keeps reporting that Trump is an unstoppable monster, people will keep believing it. Even though it is a boldface lie. He is a paper tiger created by the cable industry and the political elite. And now that the GOP is exposed maggots and all, their 'guru's' like David Brooks will just ignore 35 years of systemic abuse to look for a new hook.

They've all been exposed as cheap con men looking for the next long con.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
92. Yep, as we know, it's all about $$$$$$$'s. They could care less about the future of this country,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

and a major problem is soooo many Americans are so gullible. Joseph Goebbels would love today's America for spreading propaganda.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
93. He would flourish in 2016's America with an army of followers waiting for him.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:15 PM
Apr 2016

I think he would take a particular interest in Donald Trump.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
86. Religious Freedom, like Family Values, is often a code word for discrimination against all types
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

of people. Often religion is the US is like a disease, and people are fleeing from it as so diabolical and backward. And, it's often a big $$$$$$$$'s maker for those on the take in the religious rackets in the US. I'm amazed in the 21st century there is so much of this bullshit still going on.

Initech

(100,091 posts)
89. What the assholes need to realize is that this is a direct 1st amendment violation.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

Not only is it censorship of freedom of speech and expression, it also violates that whole "Congress shall make no law establishing religion." Part of the 1st amendment. But the fundamentalists don't care about that. Bring that up in a debate and they'll scream persecution at the drop of a hat.

desmiller

(747 posts)
106. ............
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:16 PM
Apr 2016

Who in their right mind wants to vote for that garbage?!!!

Bryant, you fucking redneck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
107. And if this garbage actually becomes law,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

Shall we place bets on how many women get arrested for having sex outside of marriage? And how many men? The last number will be zero, I'm sure.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
110. I found it...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:04 PM
Apr 2016
(6) The state government shall not take any discriminatory action against a person wholly or partially on the basis that the person establishes sex-specific standards or policies concerning employee or student dress or grooming, or concerning access to restrooms, spas, baths, showers, dressing rooms, locker rooms, or other intimate facilities or settings, based upon or in a manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in Section 2 of this act.


Riddle me this, DUers...there's a fairly comprehensive hit list in the Old Testament. You're supposed to whack:
1) Anyone who "sacrifices his children to Molech"
2) Anyone who "turns to mediums and spiritists"
3) Anyone who curses his parents
4) Anyone who has sex outside of marriage
5) Anyone who screws any of his or her relatives
6) Anyone who fucks a non-human animal...no children, "non-human animal" is not a synonym for "Republican"
7) Boys who like boys and girls who like girls

It is safe to assume that any person walking the streets in the US today falls into one of those seven categories. Does this then mean that I can kill anyone in Mississippi and beat the murder rap by playing the Jesus card?

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
111. Unconstitutional.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

While it doesn't establish a religion per-se, it does establish into law religious beliefs that are pertinent to a specific sect of a specific religion or two.

I can see this going to the federal Supreme Court and being struck down.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
117. Looks void on its face, to me but what do I know?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:35 AM
Apr 2016

Besides having a law degree, and 30 hours of required courses including Constitutional Law.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
119. Glad you and I agree... except you have authority on the subject.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:14 AM
Apr 2016

I'm not a lawyer. I haven't studied law.

I guess it follows the principle of whether it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... then by golly it must be a monkey. At least to who is writing this legislation.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
112. Question:
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:45 PM
Apr 2016

If a Protestant boss in Mississippi can cite religious freedom to tell a woman who works for him to wear make up, can the woman al cite religious freedom to refuse on the grounds that she is a Mormon?

Of course, the Mississippi law is a piece of trash.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
113. So in other words, the christian version of sharia law, yes?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:51 PM
Apr 2016

Fucking idiots. This is blatantly unconstitutional and will be thrown out the second it is brought before a court.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
120. I condemn it for being anti-Christian.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:16 AM
Apr 2016

Though it could be argued is that the law is more Islamic than Christian.

It's just hateful law.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
118. At least my grandparents got the hell out of Kosciusko after graduating from Mississippi A&M.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:37 AM
Apr 2016

And moving to Texas after World War I. My grandfather's brother moved to San Antonio and became a real estate developer.

I took my grandmother to her 60th high school reunion way back in 1976 in Kosciusko. I was totally appalled. I was convinced Texas was a bastion of liberalism. I have not been back in forty years, unsurprisingly.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
121. this confirms what i always suspected about this part of the country
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:47 AM
Apr 2016

boring personal anecdote:
years ago, while living in the deep south, i got a short haircut to scare off sexual harrassers
it worked, but then i had to deal with OMG Teh Ghey
worth it tho, femininity is a fucking prison.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
122. Family values governors and politicians can fornicate
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:48 AM
Apr 2016

like porn stars but the little people must control their nasty urges.

Too funny and sad at the same time. Southerners love to run their states like ISIS. Total theocratic control. Zero religious freedom.

You have to pity the stupid rubes who vote for these kinds of politicians. They honestly cast their ballots thinking these snakes "Love the Lard and Jeebus with all there hart."

What's the current wager on the date this law's sponsors are caught fucking people who are not their lawfully-wedded spouses?

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