"Catastrophic Climate Crisis" When will we finally have a real discussion

[GreenPartyVoter]

about how to handle this as a nation and a planet? I mean when will it be all over the media and top priority for our government?

"Too late" is the obvious answer, but still. When do you think it will happen date-wise, and what will be the preceding events that finally lead to it?

[Silver_Witch]

1. I think it is too late...

and I think that it is terrifying to most people.

Things that are hard to face are even harder to talk about...so we watch TV and hope we don't have to face it.

Sadly - us little people can only do so much. For example, I walk to work and my car has less than 10,000 miles on it in 4 years (amazing for California). I also take my bath water and use it in my garden using a cool hand pump I found. Lastly - I to lessen my footprint as much as possible (although I am not confident that recycling actually helps - I do it).

We each must try to do our best - Corporations are never going to help and politicians are only interested in the next race.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. All very true, but when we start losing entire cities to sea level rise and our bread basket due to

a severe change in rainfall patterns and temperatures, it's gonna be hard to keep our heads in the sand.

[Silver_Witch]

10. Oh people will ignore it still..

just look at republicans to see how much denial someone can be in ...and how far they can bury their heads.

[killbotfactory]

3. When the GOP is out of power, basically.

But it's too late. All we can do now is try and mitigate the damage.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Yeah. I think it's gonna get really ugly, and I am sad and terrified for my kids and their cousins.

[2naSalit]

5. Why we need to

"go over the heads" of tptb.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Yep. What should we do?

[2naSalit]

7. There are many ideas

some are not acceptable but there will be a big change coming, I just don't know what that will look like. I have been anticipating a major shift in public tolerance of the direction we're headed in for decades now.

It's something I ponder on a daily basis yet have not a solution, not that anyone listens to much if what I have to say, even if I did have a solution, the probability of it being heard widely and accepted as a pathway is very small.

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Yeah. Honestly, I know better and I still have trouble

doing what I need to to to lower my carbon footprint. We're so bad off as a planet, most First Worlders are going are going to fight tooth and nail to remain comfortable.

[So Far From Heaven]

11. I do the following:

Everything I buy has a carbon price tag attached. EVERYTHING.

Consider a simple bottle of water. Carbon from pumping, refining, building a bottle, transportation of bottle, filling of bottle, making label, shipping label, applying label and sealing bottle. Then you have making carton, filling carton, shipping carton, shelving and most likely refrigeration at point of purchase.

Is it worth it?

Then don't buy it.

The consumer is the force behind global warming, not the energy companies.

[So Far From Heaven]

9. Probably never. Here's one reason why:

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This is part of the latest in a continuing survey from Gallup. It shows you have to wait at least another 10 to 15 years to get enough people motivated to actually TALK about the issue.

Your guess is as good as mine how long you're gonna wait for anything meaningful to come from the talks.

[truebrit71]

12. By which time it will be glaringly obvious to even the most ardent denier...

...that the shit has well and truly hit the fan...

Just to be clear, it's too late right now, but at least I'll have the satisfaction of telling the deniers 'I told you so ' before we all go the way of the dinosaurs....

[So Far From Heaven]

13. I'm not so sure.

There has been a lot of research done on 'acceptance' of scientific results.

Case in point: creationism versus evolution.

It all depends on 'who you listen to'.

[Calista241]

14. i think our approach is wrong

We're never going to be able to cut carbon emissions in time. Every year, we send billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere that normal biological processes have no way to compensate for. Even if we cut carbon emissions to levels scientists are asking for, we'll still be increasing carbon levels drastically.

The real solution to this problem is to remove carbon from the atmosphere. The carbon atom, CO2, can be broken up into its separate parts, carbon and oxygen, but this is currently only achievable through a power intensive, and un-economical chemical process. Coming up with a better solution to remove this carbon from the atmosphere is our best hope IMO.

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. It does seem like there is no getting around that, at this late date. Can this be done for methane?

Ultimately, we will need to scrub the atmosphere, reduce emissions, and reduce the population. There is no getting around it. Doing just one or two of those things will not make enough of a difference.

[Visionary]

16. Already too late IMO

Already too late IMO. We needed action 20-30 years ago. Currently it seems like at best people are gonna start talking about the issue. The only thing to do now is work on mitigation strategies and tactics to remove excess carbon from the atmosphere.

[The2ndWheel]

17. Do you think we can get to a point where

humans can have everything we want?

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Everything, without concessions such as population control? Unlikely. Whether we like it or not,

the earth is not infinite in room, resources, or the ability to repair itself.

[The2ndWheel]

19. And human beings don't like limits

Not only physical reality limits(like flying, or traveling at 50mph), but limits imposed by other people that we disagree with. Because we can't figure out who gets to tell who what they can or cannot do or have.

I would say that's why we don't have these discussions, and our mostly agreed to solution is to always grow the pie, since that's the fairest way to do it. If the pie grows, more people can have more of what they want. In theory anyway. Anything less than at least a growing pie, and we have problems, because we can't get 10 random people to agree on too much, let alone billions of people.