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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:39 PM Apr 2016

Making your bones in Honduras

The piece below, published in 2010, was was retrieved from the Wayback Machine. Howard Zinn would have given it two thumbs up.

Be forewarned - it is a long piece. That's because it represents an enormous amount of research.

The first comment on the article expresses my reaction to a "T":

"If I had to use a single piece of literature to educate the average American about their own policy, this would be the one I’d choose.

"So many in the US actually believe just getting the ‘right’ candidate into office will make a difference. They truly have no idea what’s going on and how deeply entrenched the roots of this corrupt system are. It’s true, anyone who makes it into the lawmaking arena, who could actually wield some power for ‘main street’ is so trumped by Wall Street and every other special interest group operating on behalf of the wealthy, it’s a lost cause. They must comply to ensure their own survival and many do so quite cheerfully."


Hillary’s Bones – A Coup Tutorial

This is a story, based on some facts… different than the stories we hear from the media. Facts can be arranged to make a story. The media had one story. This is another.

On June 28th, 2009, President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras was dragged out of bed in his pajamas by Honduran soldiers, bound and beaten , flown out of Honduras using the US military’s Soto Cano airfield, and sent into exile. There was immediate and universal condemnation of the coup, including from the United States. President Barack Obama condemned the coup. So did Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The story faded from the news. The Hondurans had some kind of election. Everything is okay now.

This story is different, different than that story.

In this story, a powerful public/private alliance, which included the government of the United States of America, not only had prior knowledge of the coup, it was deeply involved in the planning and execution of it. The head of the principle government agency involved in this coup d’etat was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130313211841/http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2010/09/30/hillarys-bones-a-coup-tutorial/
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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. That is the most evil man in the world today. More evil than Cruz or even Cheney.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

He's proved it, over and over. The fact that she is smiling at him like that sends icy fingers of dread down my spine.

malaise

(269,172 posts)
3. So how did this one differ from the plethora of US backed coups
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

across the planet??

You cannot impose democracy by coup anywhere and that's being going on for well over a century.
What's hilarious is that the most conservative of those who support these coups then tell us that the US is not a Democracy but a Republic.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
4. I suppose mainly in that the people involved are still wielding power
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016

Or in at least one case, trying mightily to accede to power.

The US has a long and evil history of manifesting others nations' destinies....

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. People Power Can End the Corruption
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:42 PM
Apr 2016

That, or the next world war when few things with more than six legs will be around long enough to enjoy it.

Thank you for the heads-up, GliderGuider. I spoke with Jean Bertrand Aristide about Democracy in 1991 and I wrote about it more than a decade later on DU:



Aristide told me the Generals ran Dope, Inc. on Haiti. Personally.

Posted by Octafish in General Discussion (Through 2005)
Sat Mar 20th 2004, 06:49 PM

Sorry if the following is an old read. The thing held true then and holds true still…

I met Jean Bertrand-Aristide after he was deposed by the generals in the early 90s. He came to metro Detroit and spoke before the Cranbrook Peace Foundation.

The newspaper I then worked for didn’t see any reason for sending me to cover Aristide’s speech. The editors weren’t BFEE, but the events on a Caribbean island just weren’t “local” enough for their budget. So, I went on my own time.

The Cranbrook people were happy to see me. They wanted, of course, as much coverage as possible. So, they invited me and the other interested reporter types to have at him for an hour before his address.

I’m ashamed to report, at an important event in two nation’s larger media market, only a couple of CBC radio reporters out of Windsor and one local Detroit TV crew bothered to show. I was the lone print guy. Anyway…

Aristide answered every question asked in English or French. He also told us about life in Haiti, where there were four doctors to care for 4 million people. Another interesting stat: One percent of the population own 99-percent of the property.

I asked Aristide what the United States could do to help him restore democracy to Haiti? Aristide said all Poppy Doc Bush had to do was pick up the phone, call the generals and say, “Get out,” and they would quit their coup and the first democratically elected leader of Haiti in 75 years would be returned to power. Bush didn't and Aristide wasn't until Clinton sent the US Marines, many years and many Haitian lives later.

The reason for Bush Senior's inaction? Aristide said he didn’t know the answer, but he suspected Bush’s politics favored the landowners over the masses. (“Sounds familiar,” I then thought and still think today.)

Aristide said that the generals were deep into the wholesale cocaine importation business. Now who would be their partner in all that? Besides the wealthy landowners, for whom the Generals worked, I mean.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/785



What chance do poor schmoes have? Numbers are on our side. And the Truth.

Like his own pa, grampa and Dim Son, Poppy Bush has used the levers of government power to make war and profit for over a century. They're the ones who pioneered that champagne glass distribution model.

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
6. "all Poppy Doc Bush had to do was pick up the phone"
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:21 PM
Apr 2016

But who can pick up a phone and order the American versions of those Haitian generals to quit their positions of power? Considering that they have infiltrated and secured every corner of the American socioeconomic power structure. The leadership of all branches of industry, finance, the media, the military, intelligence, law, police, politics - and all their support networks. Who is going to drop a dime on them?

It's a cynicizing question.

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