VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO

[rurallib]

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO
vote blue no matter who

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO
vote blue no matter who

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO
vote blue no matter who

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[revbones]

1. In other news, more loyalty pledge posts...

[rurallib]

2. behind every silver lining is a cloud

[sharp_stick]

3. Nobody's forcing you to pledge

your loyalty to anything. It seems to be a touchy subject for you.

[revbones]

5. Did I run around screaming in fake outrage?

Such as those that found fault with the term "corporate whore"? Nope. I just commented on the 999,987th loyalty pledge post.

And I didn't even do it the way many Hillary followers do on Bernie posts with some drivel such as "cool story, bro" or some such crap.

[sharp_stick]

6. Ahh so sad and off topic n/t

[revbones]

7. Sure, back to the umpteenth loyalty pledge for no reason

except to try to coerce those with principles into giving them up. Sure.

[Brickbat]

8. Easy there, tiger.

[LanternWaste]

53. Clever way to rationalize a distinction lacking a difference.

" Nope. I just commented on the 999,987th loyalty pledge post..."

Clever way to rationalize a distinction lacking a difference. No doubt, your justification will be given all the consideration in fact, warrants.

(though to be honest, fake outrage about non-existent loyalty oaths are better served with a melodramatic soundtrack (I'd suggest Hans Zimmer, but your tastes may vary), some noir lighting and extreme closeups... otherwise, it comes across as little more in sincerity than Christian heavy metal bands.)

Better luck next time.

[revbones]

58. That's funny.

A Hillary follower lecturing about fake outrage.

[Javaman]

15. +1 nt

[Lancero]

18. If you think voting democrat is a loyalty pledge..

You might be at the wrong website.

[revbones]

19. Nice way to twist words.

But if you think a pledge is necessary to get votes rather than the candidate earning them, well you might belong at a Republican site.

[Lancero]

23. Care to explain how I twisted words?

Vote Blue is a shorter way of saying Vote Democrat.

Someone calls for people to Vote Blue, you attack it as a loyalty pledge.

You're the one who called voting blue a loyalty pledge, not me. So please, explain just which of your own words I decided to twist.

[revbones]

25. No, much like the myriad of others before it

It's basically trying to get you to agree to suck it up and support a candidate your principles may not allow you to. It's cheap and tiring and gets fired off periodically here by Hillary supporters who assume that she's got it in the bag and the dirty hippie Bernie supporters absolutely must come around and support the corrupt lying candidate otherwise the world will end.

It gets old really quick. Where is the line for you guys? Is it always support the democrat no matter what? What could they do to make you not support them? Is the D behind the name magical or something?

[Andy823]

33. What really gets old

Is those who keep on complaining about voting for Democrats when they don't even really need to respond to the thread if they don't like the subject. There are a hell of a lot of posts I don't like, and guess what, I just don't respond, it's really that easy!

[Lancero]

40. So, in otherwords I didn't twist anything you said.

Voting Blue isn't always voting for someone though - It can also be a vote against.

You can either Vote Blue to support a canidate, or you can Vote Blue just to vote against Red.

Feel free to support whoever you wish. But calling Vote Blue a loyalty pledge just shows your true colors.

[CoffeeCat]

28. If HRC is the nominee, it will become

very clear real fast that there are severe problems.

They won't need a poll to figure out what will be painfully obvious.

[Funtatlaguy]

4. It can be a difficult pivot at times.

In the primary, you fall in love.
When you lose, you fall in line in the general.
In a two party system, there really is no choice.
Especially since there are so sane Republicans left.

[rurallib]

9. "so sane Republicans" - gotta be one of the best typos ever

Welcome to DU and thanks for the accidental laugh

[Iggo]

10. Relax.

[rurallib]

11. I am just having a bit of fun

some folks take things so seriously.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. I see your OP as advocating the support of anti gay and anti trans Democrats. That's very serious

business even if you think that's all just good fun passing laws against minority groups is just a lark, something to fill the time, not serious at all....
It's the 'no matter who' part that suggests this is your objective.

[rurallib]

47. OMG and WTF

this may be the post that finally pushes me out of DU.

I believe you have to really be digging to come up with that.

Things have certainly been really strange around here for the last year. I almost dropped out once but kind of half came back. Now I think maybe I should have left.

FYI, to me if someone is a democrat they are by definition pro gay, pro trans, pro choice etc.

Adios for a while DU

[dembotoz]

12. i generally vote bule no matter who.....but

i have encountered a very scummy lying asshole dem where i left the ballot spot blank

sometime you know too much

[bigwillq]

13. Likely every vote on my ballot will be blue

Except one.

[Avalux]

14. That's a nice sentiment.

I am a registered Democrat and will vote my conscience.

[Calista241]

17. Agreed. My vote is the only currency I have, and I will not give it away for free.

My vote must be earned, and I will not succumb to those who say "the other side is always worse."

[Katashi_itto]

43. Agree! I no longer do loyalty pledges anymore.

[Mary Mac]

16. i try to vote for one token green or Republican but blue prez

Don't do straight ticket but 99% donkey.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. It's easy for me, because my state Democratic Party is uniformly progressive and supports things

like marijuana legalization.

If I was forced to vote for someone like Debbie Wasserman Schultz who supports sending terminally ill cancer patients to prison for using medical marijuana, I might leave that box blank.

[vercetti2021]

21. Okay

I'll be sure to write in Bernie this November. Because there's no way I'm voting for Hillary in my life.

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. No way I'm voting for Hillary....I'll write in Bernie.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

22. This Yellow Dog always go blue.

Silly question.

[rurallib]

24. good to see you LFR.

Looking good

[SoLeftIAmRight]

26. i wish hillary was blue

...

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. It is called voting in your best interest. The best Republican is 1000 times worse that the worst

Democrat.
We need to elect a government, not just a President.

[arcane1]

29. "Meet the Pro-Life Democrat Who is Taking on Pro-Abortion Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders"

Do I have to vote for him too? How about Kim Davis, who only recently left the party? There are still others with teh "D" next to their name who oppose gay rights, abortion, etc.

They get my vote no matter what, just because of the "D"?

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/09/meet-the-pro-life-democrat-who-is-taking-on-pro-abortion-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/

[2naSalit]

30. Yes

master, I vote bluuue no matter whooo, vote bluuue no matter whooo, vote bluue ...

[basselope]

32. As long as I don't have to vote for Clinton.. no problem.

B/c she ain't "blue"

[truegrit44]

35. Ditto basselope............

[TeamPooka]

38. loser talk that will make Trump or Cruz President. nt

[basselope]

39. If that's what the democrats want.. so be it.

[TeamPooka]

41. You refer to the Democrats as if they were some other group. Do you support Democrats?

[basselope]

46. Real democrats? Yes.

DLC. Third Way types.

No, not in the least.

[TeamPooka]

49. I'm just waiting for the moment when the people trying to tear our party apart this year are banned

from this site.
Can't happen soon enough.
Sanders or Clinton, I'll vote Democratic this year, as always.
If you aren't, then you can go to

[basselope]

50. Yes, back to your tiny little safe bubble, free from criticism.

And then you can all cry together when you lose the GE and wonder "why.. why".

It wouldn't be the first time.

[TeamPooka]

61. Everybody talking shit like this is usually a new member that joined in 2016 or the last month or so

and oh look there it is.

[basselope]

64. Joined LONG before you.

I joined originally in 2001 when I saw the banner for Democratic Underground at the first bush inauguration.

Stayed here until 2004 when the democratic party betrayed its own values and picked a war voter as its candidate.

Don't remember my log in name and have no access to the e-mail address I had in 2001 (or even sure which one.. it was either at verizon.net or aol.com) but both are long retired.

But, just like I warned in 2004 when people jumped on the Kerry bandwagon that you had no chance of winning then, I'll tell you again... Clinton has no chance of winning.

So.. just like before, go retreat back to your safe bubble and cry together and wonder why you lost.

That is, if you done come to your collective senses by then.

[TeamPooka]

66. So you're a part-time Democrat. Thanks for letting us know. If you can't win, you take your ball

and go home.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out this time.

[basselope]

69. Thank you pointing out the problem with the democratic party.

No values. Just about #winning.

However, when you only focus on #winning, you wind up losing.

These democrats don't have Tiger Blood.

[TeamPooka]

72. Not about winning. That's how you see it. I'm talking about losing with grace and accepting the

majority opinion in the group or side you chose and trying harder next time.
You walk away after losing so suck it with your false platitudes.
You quit when you don't get your way.
You use your candidates losing as a chance to quit because you're a selfish sore loser.
Like a baby child who doesn't get their way.
Your straw man is your principles because you're a dilettante who can't lose and take it like a grown-up.
I started out this primary supporting Bernie but it's attitudes like yours that have really soured me on the movement.
Through the good times and bad I've fought for this party for 36 fucking years and pretend Democrats with a Holier than Thou attitude about politics, like you, will kill the party and country along with it.
Which might be your plan all along newb.

[basselope]

73. It isn't about "sides".. it is about values.

This is EXACTLY what George Washington warned about.. putting "party" before country.

I walk away when the party fails to represent my values.

I didn't vote for Bill Clinton, I didn't vote for John Kerry, I didn't vote for Barack Obama and I never EVER planned to vote for Hillary Clinton.

The ONLY reason I wasted a moment to reregister as a democrat from independent is because of Bernie Sanders and if he doesn't win.. then.. yeah, Buh Bye.


What I find selfish and baby like are those people who will vote for a democrat no matter what. Not 100% pro choice like Hillary? Who cares, its a democrat. For war? Who cares. Democrat. Free trade deals? why not.. democrat? A health care policy devised by the heritage foundation?? Sure, I'll vote for that.. DEMOCRAT!

PATHETIC. SELFISH AND CHILDISH.

Luckily, this time, you ain't gonna win b/c the corporate shill candidate is so incredibly weak.

[TeamPooka]

74. It must be nice to be so perfect. This imperfect world must hurt your sensitive feelings a lot.

[basselope]

75. Not a fan of religions and people who treat their political parties like one.

But, hardly hurts my feelings. I feel sorry for people who don't see the big picture.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

56. right, because the democratic senator from NY, the secretary of state for Obama

was definitely not a democrat.

[basselope]

59. Nope, she's not.

Sorry the truth hurts.

Obama isn't a democrat either. He is the best republican president of my lifetime, but not a democrat.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

60. Sure. You live in your own delusion of who is

And is not a democrat.

[basselope]

63. Hardly a delusion. It's based on values.

[TeamPooka]

67. Delusional values of moral and ethical superiority. nt

[basselope]

68. No, not delusions. Just real values.

You know, ones that don't send people off to die for oil.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

70. Yes and when you say the leaders of the party

Aren't democrats, your statements sound delusional

[basselope]

71. They aren't.

Wouldn't be the first time the "leaders" don't represent the whole.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

77. when they get voted in by vast majorities of the party

they do represent the whole.

[basselope]

78. That hasn't happened.

Which is why the party is in such a mess right now.

It is also why they have shrunk to 29% of the population and there are far more independents right now b/c the party ignored them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

79. Did Obama not win the Democratic primary and then win the election as a democrat?

was that someone else i was thinking about?

[basselope]

81. He squeaked by democratic primary against very weak competition.

Hardly makes him "leadership"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

82. Lol. And you guys wonder why you're losing the black vote.

He won fair and square against several primary opponents. And then he went on to win two general elections.

[basselope]

83. Winning "fair and square" is far different than a "vast majority".

He barely won the first primary and then LOST 10MM votes int he second election.

And his chosen successor is clinging to her lead by her claws.

Leader? No.

Establishment? Yes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

86. Have you seen her lead in the popular vote?

That's not holding on by her claws, that's straight up winning.

They are both democrats. They are both leaders of the party. You're delusion about the base of the Democratic Party if you believe otherwise.

[basselope]

87. Yeah, its quite sad.

The fact that she has had to rely on vote suppression and closed primaries speaks volumes.

[MisterP]

34. I always vote for nothing but Democrats

regardless of party

[Ohio Joe]

36. The right is batshit crazy

I will vote Blue.

[restorefreedom]

37. blue is a pretty color

thats all i can say

[Maru Kitteh]

42. Damn Skippy!

all the way.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. Sorry some 'Democrats' support bigoted anti trans and anti gay laws, I will not vote for them ever.

Also not for those who boast of their endorsements. In NC five Democrats voted for that hate law. You are saying you would vote for them and I'm saying I would not.

[DookDook]

48. My vote is private.

I remember learning in elementary school that the reason that the voting booth has a curtain was because nobody had the right to know who you voted for.

I'll be voting for the candidate that thinks the way I do about the issues that I find important. If that candidate is blue, they'll have my vote. If the candidate doesn't reflect my views, well, maybe they should rethink their position of capital punishment, for profit prisons, campaign finance reform, the climate, etc. if they want my vote.

[saidsimplesimon]

52. I agree. Your vote and party affiliation should

be private unless you choose to disclose it. This was the first rule in working as a volunteer for non-profits.

I changed my registration from independent only to vote for Senator Sanders in the fiasco of a primary in Arizona. My vote goes to the Democratic Party when it counts. I always vote. I always vote by mail when it is an option.

[Crabby Abbey]

51. If the DNC shoves Clinton down our collective throats I will no longer be a democrat.

She does not reflect my values and I have never in my life voted for someone I despised. Sorry Team Blue.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

80. she'll be shoved down your throat because she will have won the popular vote

in the democratic primaries.

[Maedhros]

54. Vote for progressive policy, no matter who.

Party loyalists are being played for chumps by the Party bosses.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

62. And if neither party is running a progressive?

Throw your vote to the Greens?

Sit out the election?

Hold your nose and vote "D"?

I'll probably hold my nose.

[Maedhros]

65. Holding our nose and voting for Neoliberals only encourages the Party

to run more Neoliberals.

The only way to rid ourselves of Neoliberals is not to vote for them.

[Scootaloo]

55. Think Pink!

[Fairgo]

57. Why am I voting for a color?

I thought I was voting for the principles of democracy, and the survival of the species.

I did not know that it was all a cabal for the Blue Man Group

[bkkyosemite]

76. So if I say ...not another one of these polls...they'll say oh why you complaining..if I say

nothing...oh she kept quiet. If I vote then I'm voting for a color that is not my fav. My fav is purple and pink...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

84. No thanks. I'm capable of making my own decisions about who I vote for.

And, I don't sign or abide by loyalty oaths.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche

[Reter]

85. No, I will not vote for Zell Miller ever

I have also voted for Bloomberg. I reserve the right not to vote party line.

[HereSince1628]

88. DWS and Clinton back non-democrats, what's ok for 'leaders' is ok for voters.

Indeed some might say it's a duty of voters to vote to change party systems and governments when systematically parties and governments yield evidence year after year that the party and the government no longer supports the people.


Here is a bit of what the Founding Fathers had to say about this in the Declaration of Independence:

...when a long train of abuses and usurpation's, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security

Now, if you reread that replacing the word despotism with oligarchy and government with party you get the point in terms of this campaign cycle.

People backing Sanders' revolution in political thinking feel that sentiment. Like Sanders, they are currently working -inside the Party- NOT BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT, but because it is their -duty- to change it from the corrupted servant of the big donor class.

If the party makes it impossible to change from within, it guarantees a future in which it will face a similar number of voters from outside.