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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:33 AM Apr 2016

Gay NC waitress reveals that customers ‘tipped’ her with Bible verse calling for her death



A gay waitress in North Carolina shared a bill revealing what she described as a hateful message a group of diners recently left her instead of a tip.

....

Judd posted a picture online of the bill from the group’s visit to her Charlotte restaurant on Tuesday. The photo shows an abbreviation for the Old Testament verse Leviticus 20:13 listed under “tip.” It states, “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

The bottom of the bill also shows the message, “Praying for you” written in under the diners’ signature. She told WBTV that the group was “very rude” to her during their visit.

Judd, who has joined in rallies criticizing the passage of HB2 — which bans trans residents from using restrooms according to their gender identity — responded by writing, “I don’t care what anyone says, this is the most disrespectful thing you can do,” she wrote about the incident on Facebook. “Don’t pray for me darling, I have everything I could possibly want and need in my life.”

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Gay NC waitress reveals that customers ‘tipped’ her with Bible verse calling for her death (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 OP
Poor woman. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #1
"Sincere Religious Belief" atreides1 Apr 2016 #2
Ain't that the... 3catwoman3 Apr 2016 #6
+1 narnian60 Apr 2016 #53
That's an amazing quote Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #12
That is a great quote! thucythucy Apr 2016 #36
I love Anne LaMott! redwitch Apr 2016 #40
This gets my vote for Quote Deserving Wider Recognition. nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2016 #42
Thank you SO MUCH for posting that quote! Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #61
That group of bigots ought to pray for themselves to remove the hate from their hearts. mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #3
Every other one of these "stories" turns out false... snooper2 Apr 2016 #4
I know, there was quite a spate of those last year if I remember. cwydro Apr 2016 #8
Yep awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #22
Agree Mike Daniels Apr 2016 #30
How did they know she was gay? Boomerproud Apr 2016 #38
I was going to post this, but you did. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #45
I have friends who know her. Behind the Aegis Apr 2016 #60
Thank you for setting me straight. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #62
Now, now. I didn't set you "straight". Behind the Aegis Apr 2016 #64
There have also been many that were true. Scruffy Rumbler Apr 2016 #49
You're so right about that. kentauros Apr 2016 #55
What church do you go to? If you don't see me at yours, then it is none of your business. Scruffy Rumbler Apr 2016 #56
Yes, those are their other questions, too. kentauros Apr 2016 #59
Despite the "praying" part... Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #5
that was my first thought also rurallib Apr 2016 #20
I could bet that at least one person in this group logosoco Apr 2016 #7
Wow. They paid with a credit card (Visa) ??? DinahMoeHum Apr 2016 #9
So many of these "insulted waitress" stories turn out to be fake. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #10
That is what I wondered. How would the customers know? Shrike47 Apr 2016 #15
That was my first thought. drm604 Apr 2016 #23
I wondered too. I don't have time or interest to know or care what Raine Apr 2016 #57
I was wondering the same thing Mike Daniels Apr 2016 #31
Sure hope she spit in the soup. CanonRay Apr 2016 #11
Well, that customer ought to be cautious next time they dine there. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #18
management should never let that customer back in the busuness again rurallib Apr 2016 #21
I never leave a tip... meaculpa2011 Apr 2016 #13
We always tip in cash, too. It's up to the server what they do with the tip. Shrike47 Apr 2016 #16
That's why you write, "CASH" on the tip line Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #24
I write in "cash" CanonRay Apr 2016 #33
Yeah if I'm not putting it on the card... 47of74 Apr 2016 #46
Five NC 'Democrats' voted for the NC anti gay anti trans bill. DU is full of posters demanding we Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #14
...but "atheists are just as militant!" according to some on DU. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #17
I think they are insofar as they insist that LiberalElite Apr 2016 #41
I've never heard an atheist say "everything would be perfect if there were no religion." Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #43
You haven't been around many atheists then NobodyHere Apr 2016 #67
Oh please. What a strawman. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #68
Holy fucking strawman! Do you have any other gems to pull out of your ass? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #44
That is so messed up. romanic Apr 2016 #19
well they must be Jewish then PatrynXX Apr 2016 #25
Religious fanaticism is the scourge of the earth...eom vkkv Apr 2016 #26
The diners probably had pork, were tattooed & clean-shaven, & wore polyester blends. ref. Leviticus Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #27
Brings to mind these... 47of74 Apr 2016 #47
they should also check to see if their house is in ordr b4 preaching to someone else allan01 Apr 2016 #28
+1000 narnian60 Apr 2016 #54
The kind of people grinning in those lynching photos from the last century. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #29
"Praying for you?" Sounds they wanna do a little preying. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #32
God these people are vile, rotten scumbags. Initech Apr 2016 #34
Passing on the Good Word and Works of Jesus Christ. Bless their little hearts! Rex Apr 2016 #35
10 to 1 it's another fake. linuxman Apr 2016 #37
I spend a lot of time in CHarlotte, where my mom lives. cwydro Apr 2016 #66
I love it how Fundies get to be sanctimonious AND cheap at the same time w/this shit. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #39
I am a Christian but I think what we need instead of religious jwirr Apr 2016 #48
Hopefully a server spits in their food at the next restaurant that they dine at YoungDemCA Apr 2016 #50
That's intriguing but . . . rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #51
That's not quite true AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #52
Those hateful diners make me lose hope in humanity robertgodardfromnj Apr 2016 #58
Cheap-ass judgmental hypocrites! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #63
In some places the server might spit in your food for being rude... Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #65

atreides1

(16,082 posts)
2. "Sincere Religious Belief"
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016



“You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”

― Anne Lamott

3catwoman3

(24,013 posts)
6. Ain't that the...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

...bleeping truth!

That kind of arrogant self-righteousness is profoundly disturbing. Historical Jesus would not approve.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
30. Agree
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016


Given that the track record of these "tip" stories is heavily weighted towards "fake" I would definitely think more info is in order before taking a stand one way or another on the truth of this incident.

Boomerproud

(7,958 posts)
38. How did they know she was gay?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not trying to start an argument or even make a statement. Just asking a question,

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
45. I was going to post this, but you did.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

It could be that it's a small town or they know her outside of the restaurant somehow.

Behind the Aegis

(53,962 posts)
60. I have friends who know her.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:36 AM
Apr 2016

They posted this before it ever hit the 'airwaves.' As I see it, she was posting it to Facebook as a " " moment that GLBT people can relate to. While I can't be sure, I am guessing they thought she "looked like a lesbian." Some people judge others by their look and assume, sometimes correctly, sometimes not. Also, there are certain places where many members of the same group/church attend, so "word" spreads about certain servers.

When we first moved back to OK from NOLA, my (now) husband, whom you met, was at work and someone asked if his "wife" was coming to a group dinner. You know me, certainly not the "little lady" type (LOL!), and he responded with, "my partner will be there." The woman who asked was embarrassed, and explained she didn't know and she was gay-supportive (she is). But, it spread quickly and some attitudes changed toward him; nothing too serious, cuz, well, I am not in jail!

I don't know why they "knew" or if they just assumed. But, this type of crap does happen more than most people know. I think I actually have a "ten dollar bill" from a friend of mine who got it as a tip. It isn't a real $10 bill, it is made to look like one, but contains Bible messages, which are left in lieu of a tip. Other people certainly got them, but GLBT wait staff got more than their fair share.

I know people look at things like this with a cautious eye; can't say I blame them, but for every false claim, there are hundreds, may be more, where they aren't reported, especially when the target is a LGBT person.

When I was in SC, I went to a bar on a regular basis, but there was a new bartender, so he knew I could open a tab, but didn't know my name. The name on the tab...Fag. I laughed it off at the time, but it was upsetting. I will say, he never forgot my name after that!

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
62. Thank you for setting me straight.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

I am so sorry your love has to deal with that, on any level. I just keep hoping the stupid dies out, and it never seems to.

Behind the Aegis

(53,962 posts)
64. Now, now. I didn't set you "straight".
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:36 AM
Apr 2016

You were born that way!

I just figured with so many asking that question, I would communicate my thoughts to someone I know to be an actual ally to the GLBT community. You are more aware then most what GLBT people face, even when we don't speak out about it. However, there are still so many who don't realize the day to day issues we face and concerns we have because our sexual orientation/gender identification is often taken for granted.

From my estimation, there are many who don't realize, maybe don't care, there are a number of bills like the ones in NC and MS, which are being considered right now, never mind the day to day shit some of us face (or less than day to day, but every now and again get slapped on our asses when we are reminded we aren't "normal&quot .

My hubby is doing fine, he's pretty much a duck...water off his back. LOL!

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
49. There have also been many that were true.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

Someone asked how the costumers knew she was gay. They may not know. They may have assumed by the severs appearance or what ever criteria they use to determine if a person is gay or not.

Or they could have asked about her husband and she responded about her wife? That is one of the simple freedoms we are fighting for. When someone asks us about our families and we respond with the truth, every LBGT person runs the risk of a response like this or worse.

I worked in Florida and Virginia during the 1980sand 1990s as an open and expressive gay man. The overt and hidden hatred I dealt with could be overwhelming.

And I was privileged. If I choose to, I could look, act and sound as straight as any heterosexual. Unlike my minority coworkers who were facing similar hatred based on skin color or country of origin, I had the luxury of hiding in plain sight when I wanted. It is amazing the crap people will say when they think you think "just like them".

Peace

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
55. You're so right about that.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

I'm just an average hetero guy and haven't worked in the service industry. Yet I know for a fact from just working in offices that the most common question from evangelical types is "Are you married?" The next most-common one is "Do you have children?"

I'm sure most of y'all know just how bristly they get when you answer "No" to either question (or worse, to both of them.) All it takes is to offer more information than simply 'no' for them to start making assumptions, usually that one is gay. They are an extremely judgmental crowd. And most religious people I know aren't like that at all.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
56. What church do you go to? If you don't see me at yours, then it is none of your business.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

What religion are you? If I did not mention my religion, then neither should you.

My mother taught me that her relationship with Jesus was similar to her sex life; no one's business but her own. She pretty much came out in 1976 to her family of 7 kids!

She maintained her faith in Jesus, the man and the teachings of Peace and tolerance, not the one of fire and brim stone. She thought a person should do right by their fellow humans whether anyone was there to see your actions or not.

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" was her living motto and example she set by her actions, not her words. When we prayed it was about protection and blessing, not changing people!

Thanks for getting "it"!

rurallib

(62,431 posts)
20. that was my first thought also
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

People like that are just not right. In this time of everybody packing with presidential candidates calling for violence, I think she should be cautious. I would report it.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
7. I could bet that at least one person in this group
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:50 AM
Apr 2016

was wearing a poly/cotton blend clothing. And I bet they have cut the sides of their hair. And did they all have beards? And I hope none of them ordered sausage, bacon or any type of shellfish.

But, religious hypocrisy aside, letting someone do work for you and then not paying them, that is just a straight up asshole. Perhaps they justify that because of all the slavery in the bible.

DinahMoeHum

(21,797 posts)
9. Wow. They paid with a credit card (Visa) ???
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

. . .instead of cash?



should be easy to trace the dumbass/es who did this.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. So many of these "insulted waitress" stories turn out to be fake.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

Not saying this one necessarily is, but the lure of a six-figure Godfundme payoff is powerful. And how would anyone know the sexual orientation of their server, anyway?

drm604

(16,230 posts)
23. That was my first thought.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

How would they know? Not that there isn't plenty of hate and harassment, but this particular story seems fishy.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
57. I wondered too. I don't have time or interest to know or care what
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:30 PM
Apr 2016

my food server does in their private life!

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
31. I was wondering the same thing
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

Unless one of the customers personally knew the waitress, the waitress was wearing something advertising a cause that would lead one to make assumptions about her sexuality or she volunteered her sexuality at some point during her service to that table what would lead them to even reach a conclusion of that type.

rurallib

(62,431 posts)
21. management should never let that customer back in the busuness again
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

for the safety (and respect) of the employees.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
13. I never leave a tip...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

on the credit card. Always in cash.

Anyone can take my receipt and post it on the internet showing the world that I'm a scumbag.

Skeptical.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
46. Yeah if I'm not putting it on the card...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

I usually just put a line through the field and put the total again down on the line.

Occasionally what I do is to bring it up to an even dollar amount and leave the rest of the tip in cash.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. Five NC 'Democrats' voted for the NC anti gay anti trans bill. DU is full of posters demanding we
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

support them all 'no matter what'.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
41. I think they are insofar as they insist that
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:12 PM
Apr 2016

everything would be perfect if there were no religion. I say Bull because atheists are humans too and humans fuck up.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
43. I've never heard an atheist say "everything would be perfect if there were no religion."
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

The planet and the creatures that live upon it would be far better off, yes, but perfection? Nah. Nobody believes that.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
68. Oh please. What a strawman.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

Of course I've been around atheists. Most of my family members are atheists. Many of my friends are atheists or agnostics. They don't say everything would be "perfect" if religion would disappear.

Even if they did make that observation -- which they don't -- that doesn't even apply to my point that atheists don't take aggressive actions like some/many Christians do in this country. We're not the ones bombing clinics, accosting people on the street telling them to believe or burn, leaving no tips in judgment of someone's homosexuality or perceived homosexuality, putting Dawkins books in hotel rooms, and passing "atheist freedom" laws to deprive others of the rights to use bathrooms and such. That would be the religious nuts doing those things.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
25. well they must be Jewish then
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

can't be Christian because that part is in the History Book. Only things one is supposed to follow if your Christian is from Jesus time forward. So again they must be Orthodox Jewish because they are following a quote from the old book. Where we might have had unicorns running around

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
47. Brings to mind these...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

Such as what John Fugelsang said...



Or what Martin Sheen did on the West Wing...



allan01

(1,950 posts)
28. they should also check to see if their house is in ordr b4 preaching to someone else
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

also read the part that says love thy neighbor. period.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
66. I spend a lot of time in CHarlotte, where my mom lives.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

I've not seen anything about this on the local news or in the paper yet.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
48. I am a Christian but I think what we need instead of religious
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

freedom laws is a law that says "keep your damned religion to yourself" laws. Freedom from religion.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
50. Hopefully a server spits in their food at the next restaurant that they dine at
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

That would be nice, wouldn't it?

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
52. That's not quite true
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

There's no Biblical support for putting lesbians to death, only gay men.

Read it - the Biblical laws on sexual behavior are exclusively directed towards men. Women are not addressed, it is assumed in the text that they have no independent agency.

 
58. Those hateful diners make me lose hope in humanity
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

How can they go on with their daily lives with such hatred in their hearts? Sickening.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
65. In some places the server might spit in your food for being rude...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:02 AM
Apr 2016

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[Xi should keep that in mind. Don't even think it Chinese 5th Column satellite operators. "I'll make you famous."] In other places, Chinese agents simply shut down servers.

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