Nevada Court Arraignment Of Bundy Brothers Goes Off The Rails

[struggle4progress]

LAUREN FOX
APRIL 16, 2016, 10:50 AM EDT

... both brothers scoffed when asked to enter pleas .. regarding their involvement in the 2014 .. Bundy .. standoff.

Brian Cavalier, Blaine Cooper and Ryan Payne also refused to offer pleas .. after .. defendants asked the court to read the charges against them verbatim, which took more than 90 minutes.

"I will not be entering a plea today," Cavalier said ...

Ultimately, the judge offered a "not guilty" plea for the Bundys and the co-defendents.

... 12 court marshals oversaw disruptions coming from the crowd in support of the defendants. Outside the courtroom .. the Bundys had a cadre of support including state lawmaker Michele Fiore ...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/court-appearance-gets-rowdy-for-bundy-brothers

[struggle4progress]

1. 2 Bundys, 3 others balk at pleas in Nevada case

By The Associated Press
APRIL 16, 2016

... Ammon Bundy alleged he had been mistreated in custody to Nevada from Oregon ...

His brother .. professed to understand his rights but not the charges against him. He.. wants to serve as his own lawyer.

The judge noted that a court clerk and prosecutor Steven Myhre had just spent 94 minutes reading the 63-page, 16-count indictment aloud. The word-for-word recital came after the defendants exercised their right to hear the charges against them ...

Ammon Bundy’s attorney in the Oregon case, Michael Arnold, was removed from the Las Vegas courtroom by marshals after beginning to use his cellphone while the indictment was being read ...

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/34274133-75/2-bundys-3-others-balk-at-pleas-in-nevada-case.html.csp

[struggle4progress]

2. Supporters yell 'we love you!' at Ryan and Ammon

BY LAURA BULT
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, April 16, 2016, 10:47 AM

... “We really need to get these patriots released,” Las Vegas Assemblywoman Michele Fiore ... told the local paper ...

Thursday’s arraignment lasted three hours, because Ammon Bundy said he had not read the 64-page indictment and asked for it to be read aloud in court ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bundy-brothers-arraigned-charges-2014-nevada-standoff-article-1.2603638

[Eugene]

3. So they want to do this the hard way.

They may make this hard and slow but their tactics
have rarely succeeded in the end.

[struggle4progress]

4. Bundy's attorney says he got kicked out of a federal courtroom

BY HILLARY LAKE, KATU NEWS
SATURDAY, APRIL 16TH 2016

... Mike Arnold traveled to Las Vegas to support Bundy during the hearing, even though he can't represent Bundy in the Nevada case.

Arnold said he was sitting in the courtroom gallery .. when he got an emergency text message from his co-council in Oregon .. that he had to file a motion in the Oregon case by the end of business.

Arnold claims he used his cellphone to respond, and .. the marshal .. asked him to leave. Cellphones and laptop computers aren't allowed in .. most federal courtrooms.

"On the way out I had to make a record. I had to, unfortunately, interrupt the court and explain who I was, and that I was being ordered to leave. And, the reason I was being ordered to leave is because I was trying to do litigation in Oregon while helping my client in Nevada. That is why it's unjust to try two cases at once," Arnold told KATU News's sister station KSNV outside of the courthouse ...

http://katu.com/news/local/ammon-bundys-attorney-says-he-got-kicked-out-of-a-federal-courtroom-in-nevada

[matt819]

6. Grow the fuck up

It looks like the lawyer is as much of an asshole as his clients.

No one was preventing him from conducting his legal business. First, he was in the gallery, which means he wasn't working in that courtroom. And unless the courtroom is the size of an airport, he was no more than 30 seconds away from using his phone legally in the hallway.

Every time these clowns open their mouths, they embarrass themselves.

[Kaleva]

5. Thanks for keeping us updated on this!

[matt819]

7. What's with the not entering a plea?

Well, we already know they're living in an alternate universe, where the laws of the United States don't apply. But they'e going to wake up one day in state prison wondering, wtf just happened.

[struggle4progress]

9. Their lawyers have no other ideas, so they're aiming at a non-stop three-ring circus

[Rex]

10. So that the judge would have to make a ruling and then can be blamed for everything that follows.

Just remember, in their hearts they all yearn for Saint Reagan and the 1950s.

[Wounded Bear]

11. It's not unheard of...

It is the defendants' right to not enter a plea. The court entering a 'not-guilty' plea in that case is standard procedure IIRC.

It's kind of stupid, and the Bundys are obviously trying to string this out and turn it into an OJ-esque circus. I don't see that the national media really gives a shit now that the drama of the stand-off is over. They obviously have some local and vocal support, but nationally only real fanatics care.

[matt819]

13. Good point re no one giving a shit anymore

There was an article in the NYT a few weeks ago about the terrorists who are confined to prisons in the US (as opposed to Guantanamo Bay). Included among these are the Unabomber, Terry Nichols (Oklahoma City) I think, Mussauwi and a handful of others, the Blind Sheikh of WTC 1993 fame, and others. People we have very properly forgotten exist (to say nothing of the various murderers who captured front page headlines while they were being sought. I'd like to think that the Bundy brothers and their followers carry on in this vein. Tried, convicted, sent away, and forgotten. I'd like to think the same of Sarah Palin, but, like your average zombie, she keeps rising up.

[QED]

24. Slightly off topic...

Nye's reponse to Palin:

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2016/04/15/bill-nye-to-sarah-palin-why-are-you-still-relevant/

[Kaleva]

14. The trial of The Gang That Pooped All Over The Place isn't a ratings draw.

[Monk06]

22. In order to drag out this circus until the popcorn runs out and the elephant dies of old age

[Rex]

8. Can they be brought up on charges of insurrection?

Michele Fiore is free to join them in jail, inciting an insurrection is just as bad imo.

[Fairgo]

12. Manson had an entourage too

Gives it all an air of revolution, or something.

[SwankyXomb]

15. Souvenir citizen bullshit

Can't wait until they're found guilty and get to spend the next few decades making big rocks into little ones.

[lunatica]

16. They imagine President Trump will pardon them anyway

Funny thing is, he probably would.

[Old Codger]

18. Hell T-Rump

Would probably make them part of his cabinet

[pinboy3niner]

19. Snackretary of the Interior

[csziggy]

17. Comment: "I will not be entering a plea today," Cavalier said, cavalierly."

From the comments on the article in the link from the OP. That particular one was made by carlosfiance at http://forums.talkingpointsmemo.com/t/discussion-nevada-court-arraignment-of-bundy-brothers-goes-off-the-rails/36398/22

Another good one is:

@twowolves
Return them to their cells via trebuchet.
http://forums.talkingpointsmemo.com/t/discussion-nevada-court-arraignment-of-bundy-brothers-goes-off-the-rails/36398/25

Unlike many places, the comments on this article are well worth reading!

[pokerfan]

20. Brian Cavalier

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brian+Cavalier+33Gzf4zB59em.jpg

Brian Cavalier, Blaine Cooper and Ryan Payne also refused to offer pleas at the arraignment after, according to the Associated Press the defendants asked the court to read the charges against them verbatim, which took more than 90 minutes.

"I will not be entering a plea today," Cavalier said, according to the AP. The news outlet reported that instead Cavalier pulled out a small copy of the Constitution and gave it to federal prosecutors.

They have their own version of the constitution. Annotated by a CT. I'm sure the prosecutors were duly impressed.

Skousen, who once accused President Dwight D. Eisenhower of being a Soviet agent and whom Time magazine once labeled an “exemplar of the right-wing ultras,” pairs the original Constitutional text with quotes from Founding Fathers about the necessity of religion in governance.

Its message: The Founding Fathers intended the United States to be a Christian nation, beholden to a Christian god, and never intended the federal government to have any power over its people.

[L. Coyote]

21. I'd almost forgotten these asshats already.

Once you are behind bars, it is so difficult to keep the cameras rolling on yourself.

[Umbral18]

23. They didn't have the Sovereign Citizen bullshit memorized? nt