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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFmr FBI agent: "The White House let them off the hook."
http://nypost.com/2016/04/17/how-us-covered-up-saudi-role-in-911/(snip)
The FBI was thwarted from interviewing the Saudis we wanted to interview by the White House, said former FBI agent Mark Rossini, who was involved in the investigation of al Qaeda and the hijackers. The White House let them off the hook.
Whats more, Rossini said the bureau was told no subpoenas could be served to produce evidence tying departing Saudi suspects to 9/11. The FBI, in turn, iced local investigations that led back to the Saudis.
The FBI covered their ears every time we mentioned the Saudis, said former Fairfax County Police Lt. Roger Kelly. It was too political to touch.
(end snip)
CT no more.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)with all kinds of CIA, NSA and oddly GCHQ information on secret projects. Xi was smart enough to trick Putin into using the human hot potato; but he is not smart enough to leave Ghosts alone and let them rest in peace.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Baobab
(4,667 posts)activities, one of which was an airline for the oil industry which failed.
One of his business partners in that airline was one of OBL's half brothers.
The media in the post 9-11 fray NEVER BROUGHT THAT UP.
I bet you could find the article, also it seems as if it would be in public records.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)HAMLET
Where wilt thou lead me? Speak, Ill go no further.
GHOST
Mark me.
HAMLET
I will.
GHOST
My hour is almost come
When I to sulfurous and tormenting flames
Must render up myself.
HAMLET
Alas, poor ghost!
GHOST
Pity me not, but lend thy serious hearing
To what I shall unfold.
HAMLET
Speak. I am bound to hear.
GHOST
So art thou to revenge when thou shalt hear.
HAMLET
What?
... etc...
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)and the people who were raising the alarm were labeled as tinfoil conspiracy theory nuts.
Eventually we will learn that there was ample warning about what the Saudis were doing and LIHOP will be the final judgment.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)They knew but they couldn't have randomly let it happen. They had to have controlled it at some level.
It was an inside job, all the way.
Our media, like it has on every other huge crime story, fell down on the job in the worst way. They were actually quite complicit in the cover-up.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Could you explain those acronyms to the uninitiated, please?
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Refers to bush Cheney involvement in 9/11.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Heidi
(58,237 posts)LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP = Made It Happen On Purpose
dgibby
(9,474 posts)Cheney is too much of a control freak to LIHOP.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Response to Human101948 (Reply #2)
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questionseverything
(9,656 posts)it is that there is nothing we can do about it
red dog 1
(27,820 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Lots of folks should be in prison
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but so do all the major politicians.
malaise
(269,054 posts)The rule of law versus the desire for empire never fails to destroy the empire.
There are way too many contradictions and cover-ups.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)that had Un-Patriot Act already ready & waiting...
mopinko
(70,127 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)In 2006, the Democratic Party achieved majorities in BOTH the House and Senate, aided by massive dissatisfaction among Democrats and Independents over the lack of investigations into the Saudi-Bush connection to 9-11. Nancy Pelosi became the Speaker of the House.
One of Pelosi's first announcements as Speaker (if not her very first announcement) was that Investigations and Impeachment "were OFF-the-Table".
Period.
Full Stop.
Can Nancy Pelosi single-handedly take impeachment off the table?
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is proving to be the surprise O. Henry ending to last November's elections. The American voters gave Democrats clear control of Congress, rebuked President George W. Bush, and voiced an unequivocal public craving to trade in customary narrow-minded politics for something more inspiring. Yet motivated by partisan concerns over the 2008 elections, the new speaker is following President Bush around like a sheep while he solidifies an imperial presidency and diminishes the Congress into irrelevancy. Just look at the latest ACLU advertisement targeting Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. The only thing Pelosi has retained for the Congress is small-minded earmarks to attract political contributions.
<snip>
"According to public opinion polling, the percentage of voters supporting the impeachments of both President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are now approximately 45 and 54 percent, respectively. Most Americans instinctively feel the president is an untrustworthy steward of the Constitution's checks and balances because, among other things, he flouts laws, prohibits White House aides from testifying before Congress, consistently defends an attorney general who is an inveterate liar, and detains citizens and noncitizens indefinitely as enemy combatants on his say-so alone. The prevailing barometer of acute public dissatisfaction with the White House surpasses the corresponding disaffection with President Richard M. Nixon when the Senate Watergate hearings began in May 1973. "
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2007/08/the_heart_of_queens.html
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Of course, in matters such as war, terrorism, "national security" and the spy agencies, the permanent government/deep state is wholly in charge.
cstanleytech
(26,295 posts)to terrorists.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table. She ignored what the majority of Americans wanted.
Obama never prosecuted any rich criminals unless they stole from other rich criminals. It was as if he saw no crimes in lying a country into war.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)to hold the Bush administration responsible for their many crimes, and the GOP still rules our fucking political system.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Insiders' club protects itself.
Awknid
(381 posts)Don't you think they've been doing it all along? But no one had the nerve to call their bluff until now.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)... on the surface, wasn't it Nancy Pelosi and PO? And out of sight behind the curtains, TPTB holding high the theory of "COG" (Continuance of Government)?
classykaren
(769 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)dominate media whenever they need to, because we let a minority party of ignorant flat earthers have too much power, because we ignore their most important weapon.
why did we allow those motherfuckers to lie us into iraq? why was it impossible for anyone in public to suggest cheney bush allowed 911? and if it was so clear that 911 was not what it seemed why didn't more people suggest it?
at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated pro republican wall st think tank propaganda swiftboating and lies
because the lazy dumbass left, the political side with the most to gain by not ignoring talk radio, ignores talk radio
so we let it take free potshots at our reps all day long and then blame them for not sticking their necks out far enough or wasting more time fighting the MIC, with all those high paid PR talents sitting in billionaire think tanks cooking up benghazis etc
forget bernie doing shit in the white house until the left stops ignoring rw radio
malaise
(269,054 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)On the other, I can see where a trial of Bush admin officials would have been a bigger farce than OJ. There is no way we could have handled things the same way Nuremberg did.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Nancy Pelosi. "Impeachment is off the table."
At the least, impeachment would have given knowledge of who, what and why.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)f***ing ASSHOLES
malaise
(269,054 posts)Works well for the right wing.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)http://www.alternet.org/how-bush-administration-covered-saudi-connection-911
http://prospect.org/article/bushs-saudi-connections
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1221783
https://shadowproof.com/2009/02/17/are-your-members-of-congress-supporting-an-investigation-into-bush-crimes/
We the people are demanding to see this information now, those 28 pages, not later, or not ever, but now, because at one point in this "stuff" we had control of the House and Senate, which we gave and voted into power these chambers, and were demanding a investigation.......................
Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
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turbinetree
(24,703 posts)and we are still living with there 3 trillion plus illegal war debt of a lie, families of soldiers and soldiers themselves which we the tax payers will being paying for into the long term future, torture, and there lies, and the fact that this world is not in a better place.
If those 28 pages are released, and I am not going to hold my collective breath on that matter, there are forces bigger than justice out there, we are already seeing a foreign corrupt power pushing back on those release, (my attitude they can go effing themselves) the agenda of kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the house of Saud.
The facts show that Bin Laden and the Saudi government were tied at the wheel, even though he was branded as a outsider, he was not. Usually, I don't belive in rumors , but on this one it has lingered to many years and I believe on a situation such as this the rumors are true...................................
I personally do not want to stoop to there level of destruction, I want them (Bush + his worthless team, and the Saudi government) to live knowing that if they travel overseas they will be arrested and prosecuted, then, we as a society can have closure since this government does not have the wither-al to stand for justice, knowing that they failed in there responsibilities to try and bring forth charges of murder against them.
I and some other men worked on the United aircraft that night, and which latter that moring had crashed in the PA countryside that morning (FLT 93), and all I know is that one day Bush and his criminal team must answer for there crimes, and if they do not, they will go to there collective graves in disgrace, and they need to be reminded of this fact, and also there families, that they are a disgrace.
And the books that will be written about them into the future will also say that there megalomania was just that megalomania, and they where liars, no matter how some will try to sugar that set of facts on history.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Is this not a country of laws?
Imo, justice is not served. These psychopaths are incapable of feeling guilt.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)they don't have a conscience fiber in there bodies........................
Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts).
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)It was very hard going into work that night...........................that night, sitting there, or standing there from the hanger entrance and seeing the glow, the glow of death, and destruction, because that early morning we could see the Twin Towers, standing there across the Hudson, and then they were gone, that night............................
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)They were not negligent. They intentionally let this happen. They are accessories to 3,000+ murders followed by 4,000 military deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths. They squandered US wealth. They saddled us with laws allowing US citizens to be spied upon. They ruined our image and authority in the world.
To quote Hanover Fist from Heavy Metal, "Hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!"
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alfredo
(60,074 posts)turbinetree
(24,703 posts)and look what was gotten for $130,000 dollars---------------------------
alfredo
(60,074 posts)turbinetree
(24,703 posts)and why he spent $130,000 dollars should be the next question, have we had any hearings on this matter, nope not on this current issue, it's like hearing we don't need any stinky hearings, unless its against woman's right to privacy for example, not word on why the 28 pages will not be released, this is just B*******T
This is just so wrong, and the powers to be wonder why people are upset............duh..................
alfredo
(60,074 posts)turbinetree
(24,703 posts)alfredo
(60,074 posts)AxionExcel
(755 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)AxionExcel
(755 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)obviously, it's a while back, the Post ain't 25 cents these days!
AxionExcel
(755 posts)Even Donald Trump (R) knows the ugly truth about the Republican Party he is part of:
The World Trade Center came down during the reign of George Bush, Trump said, because the president didnt listen to the advice of his CIA.
Post headline date according to "The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation"
https://books.google.com/books?id=sOUFNF3tQGAC&pg=PT365&lpg=PT365&dq=%22Bush+Knew%22+%2B+headline+%2B+%22the+new+york+post%22&source=bl&ots=_Z4eTSMxVa&sig=fSu50Xb6PTnGHlnZ0zQXIr7f1Jo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7zs_4s5jMAhVD42MKHWbPArYQ6AEIRjAH#v=onepage&q=%22Bush%20Knew%22%20%2B%20headline%20%2B%20%22the%20new%20york%20post%22&f=false
bvar22
(39,909 posts)So did the Democrats who helped him wage an unnecessary, immoral, and illegal WAR on the innocent Iraqi People.
He couldn't have gone to Iraq without help from the conservative wing of the Democratic Party.
[font size=4]The Democratic Party Honor Roll[/font]
They voted "NO" on the Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq.
Bush was unable to "fool" them.
They had the intelligence and integrity to see through the Republican Lies,
and were unafraid to take a STAND.
United States Senate
In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq :
Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
Barbara Boxer (D-California)
Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
Bob Graham (D-Florida)
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
Patty Murray (D-Washington)
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)
Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
United States House of Representatives
Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Represenatives:
Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Tom Allen (D-Maine)
Joe Baca (D-California)
Brian Baird (D-Washington DC)
John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)
Xavier Becerra (D-California)
Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)
David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office)
Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania)
Corinne Brown (D-Florida)
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
Lois Capps (D-California)
Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland)
Julia Carson (D-Indiana)
William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri)
Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office)
James Clyburn (D-South Carolina)
Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office)
John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan)
Jerry Costello (D-Illinois)
William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office)
Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
Susan Davis (D-California)
Danny Davis (D-Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon)
Diana DeGette (D-Colorado)
Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts)
Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut)
John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania)
Anna Eshoo (D-California)
Lane Evans (D-Illinois)
Sam Farr (D-California)
Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (D-California)
Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts)
Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
Alice Hastings (D-Florida)
Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office)
Maurice Hinchey (D-New York)
Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas)
Rush Holt (D-New Jersey)
Mike Honda (D-California)
Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon)
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Johnson, E.B.
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... I'd like to give a nod of appreciation to those 156 Congresspeople and Senators who voted against the AUMF of 2002. This isn't meant to be praise for everything they've ever done, before or since, merely acknowledgment on this, they were right when so many were wrong.
mopinko
(70,127 posts)durbin and schakowsky. among the best.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Or about the IWR -- the Iraq War Resolution?
Because Bernie Sanders voted against War in Iraq and for the war in Afghanistan.
What evidence do you have that Al Qaeda in Afghanistan was NOT involved in 9/11?
Iraq was not involved in 9/11, but Al Qaeda in Afghanistan????
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But they offered to hand over Bin Laden to avoid trouble with the US- after all, we were subsidizing them at the time and they were happy with the arrangement. Bushco ignored the offer because Bin Ladin was too valuable running around as an endless excuse to invade wherever, and he was most probably still on our payroll as well. Word was that they had him in Tora Bora and the order came in to let him slip through.
The invasions had nothing to do with 9/11. They should have been treated as war crimes, but I guess we're past the point of caring about that as a party.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Thanks.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But I was one of the few people against the war in Afghanistan too. I've always viewed the terrorism thing as a criminal matter rather than a military or state power issue- Investigate, charge, bring in and try them in normal courts.
The general refusal to do so by more than one administration tells me that there are things going on that they do not want us to know.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)frequently shortened to AUMF, or the less formal "Iraq War Resolution". They are the same bill.
Yes.
There was also an AUMF in Afghanistan, for which only one Democrat voted "NO!", and that was Democratic Congresswoman Barbara Lee (Hooray and Kudos for her).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force
I also stood against the use of Military Force in Afghanistan. Though in the minority here, there were a number of DUers who believed (as I did) that International Law Enforcement was the best way to deal with a handful of Saudi Criminals renting space in some Warlord's desert. Very few Afghans knew about these Saudi criminals hiding in the desert, and the vast majority of those we killed were completely innocent.
I wrote an OP back then titled:
Drop Big Macs, Blue Jeans, and $100 bills, NOT BOMBS.
It would have cost far less, been far more effective, and engendered good will instead of more terrorism.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)the Saudis are threatening to dump their American assets if we presume to hold them accountable for anything to do with 9/11.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)So did the Congress (except Sanders and Obama who voted against the privatization of Iraqi Oil as AL-Qaeda was not allowed in Iraq by Saddam). The Obama Administration can easily follow suite. During the Syrian Cease Fire, Obama is going over to talk with the Saudi King to see if America is going to support Saudi Arabia/Syria/Russia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-warns-ofeconomic-fallout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html?_r=2
Now Obama is getting it from both sides. Bush could ignore it, just like other lawmakers from New York did.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141418679
Obama is a lame duck going to Saudi Arabia. Will the next Administration be during a war crimes trial while fighting a ground war in Syria? A GOP president would want only the ground war. IMO, Clinton would want only the ground war as she did nothing to help with House Resolution 428 during her Senatorial term (an now does not remember the origination of the 9/11 law suite originating in southern New York). Sanders would want diplomacy instead of war.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)realistically they know it is not financially feasible.
They are playing a game of chicken hoping we will blink first.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Let them.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)New news that we've known all along
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Sometimes it takes awhile for some to catch up.
Botany
(70,516 posts)The Saudis in Florida that ran away prior to 9-11?
http://gawker.com/5838498/the-mysterious-saudi-family-that-vanished-two-weeks-before-911
*****
From the link in the O.P.
The Saudi ambassador funded two of the 9/11 hijackers through a third party, Guandolo said. He should be treated as a terrorist suspect, as should other members of the Saudi elite class who the US government knows are currently funding the global jihad.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)Angel Martin
(942 posts)"Islam is a religion of peace."
That becomes an unsustainable narrative once America's leading muslim "ally" is exposed as a participant in 911.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)This old atheist* and most DUers who have followed this for 15 yrs know this is about greed and global-political corruption.
*Added to let you know that I'm not, in any way, a defender of Islam or any other religion.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)no religious motive.
It was a political motive by the Bush Administration to define Islam as a"religion of peace"
And as a result, it wouldn't do to have the USA most prominent muslim "ally" (and biggest exporter of islam in the world) exposed as terrorist funders, supporters and enablers.
Bush and co wanted to invade Iraq, not Saudi Arabia. Exposing Saudi participation in 911 would have made it impossible to invade Iraq w/o invading Saudi Arabia.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That should have been a red flag, if not a clue, in the J Edgar Hoover building.
Anyone remember James R Bath? Great guy and pilot. Connects House of Bush and House of bin Laden, Big Time.
alfredo
(60,074 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Bath, were he granted immunity and witness protection, would shed light on the how the bin Laden and Bush families were in business together. The artist Mark Lombardi drew up the picture in 2000.
The short version: Back in the day when George W was in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, he met Maj. James R Bath, a genuine war hero. They both apparently were removed from TANG flight status for failing to take physical exams at the same time. Note how the Bush White House redacted a proper noun here and there.
Here're two versions of the documents Michael Moore almost made famous:
Now this document shows that the House of bin Laden selected James R Bath to be their official U.S. business agent.
Then, there's the even BIGGER MONEY angle.
Questions Linger About Bushes and BCCI
By Lucy Komisar
Inter Press Service, Thursday 05 April 2007
New York - Now that the U.S. Congress is investigating the truth of President George W. Bush's statements about the Iraq war, they might look into one of his most startling assertions: that there was a link between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.
Critics dismissed that as an invention. They were wrong. There was a link, but not the one Bush was selling. The link between Hussein and Bin Laden was their banker, BCCI. But the link went beyond the dictator and the jihadist - it passed through Saudi Arabia and stretched all the way to George W. Bush and his father.
SNIP...
The Bushes' private links to the bank passed to Bin Mahfouz through Texas businessman James R. Bath, who invested money in the United States on behalf of the Saudi. In 1976, when Bush was the head of the CIA, the agency sold some of the planes of Air America, a secret "proprietary" airline it used during the Vietnam War, to Skyway, a company owned by Bath and Bin Mahfouz. Bath then helped finance George W. Bush's oil company, Arbusto Energy Inc., in 1979 and 1980.
When Harken Energy Corp., which had absorbed Arbusto (by then merged with Spectrum 7 Energy), got into financial trouble in 1987, Jackson Stephens of the powerful, politically-connected Arkansas investment firm helped it secure 25 million dollars in financing from the Union Bank of Switzerland. As part of that deal, a place on the board was given to Harken shareholder Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, whose chief banker was BCCI shareholder Bin Mahfouz.
Then, in 1988, George Bush Sr. was elected president. Harken benefited by getting some new investors, including Salem bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's half-brother, and Khalid bin Mahfouz. Osama bin Laden himself was busy elsewhere at the time - organising al Qaeda.
CONTINUED...
http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/69782:ties-between-the-bush-family-and-osama-bin-laden
So, one New York City artist artist, the late upon planning its exhibition Mark Lombardi, connected bin Laden and Bush with his Art.
His pen and ink social network diagrams tied people, events, and time together in a very understandable way. That was in 2000. Then, just as his career was really taking off, he died from suicide cough murder. The FBI visited his gallery and took pictures of this in 2000.
A pertinent detail shows how Salem bin Laden and James R Bath and George W Bush are connected, like Aspens.
Then, there's Carlyle Group. Among their possessions today is Booz Allen Hamilton, go-to company for the NSA.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Bill Clinton, the Lippo Group, and Jackson
Stephens of Little Rock,Arkansas (5th Version) 1999
Colored pencil and graphite on paper
SOURCE: http://www.pierogi2000.com/2011/03/mark-lombardi-at-pierogi/lombardibillclintonlippo5/
MORE: http://www.flashpointmag.com/mlpic.htm
BACKGROUND: BCCI IN THE UNITED STATES
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)An exhibit in San Francisco. Pretty sure I had first heard about his work here and was excited to see the exhibit would be there a few blocks from my hotel for a conference. Great stuff.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)His work was part of an exhibition at the University of Michigan Museum of Art in 2003.
http://www.ur.umich.edu/0304/Sept08_03/events_Sept08_03.shtml
I bought a catalogue of his works UMMA had available at the time, a gold mine of information. Inspiring, too.
I don't know if they still have any left, but if you like his work they might be worth giving a call.
Rex
(65,616 posts)other way. YEP, still very much Hoovers FBI...pathetic.
spanone
(135,844 posts)?w=500
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Sanders voted against. Obama voted against. Clinton voted for.
Obama has been summoned to Saudi Arabia for the triangulation.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)there was no plane at the Pentagon and suitcase nukes caused the towers to fall.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)Suitcase nukes that don't create a supersonic shock wave caused the towers to fall.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)but looking at the pictures of the melted granite bedrock makes me wonder how a plane fuel fire way above it, melted it. I don't understand it. I have much doubt about the official story.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)I thought you were too. There is no such thing as a nuclear blast without a supersonic shock wave. With all the dust in the air, the shock wave would have been impossible to miss. It would have moved debris in the air at several thousand miles per hour.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)on edit: Ahhh, I see spanone had the same idea!
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)hueymahl
(2,497 posts)This time with Georgie-boy on his knees kissing something else.
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robertgodardfromnj
(67 posts)Bush and his cronies deserve to live the rest of their pathetic lives in prison. Where's the justice?
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Paints in Houston. No justice at all
randr
(12,412 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)The FBI should have closed down in protest.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)But a link to a Murdock tabloid.
Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)They gave him the pretext for the war he wanted.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Prior to 9/11. He got financing from them in his business dealings before becoming president.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The people that run the country were in place before he became president and are still in place now. I think Gen James Clapper has a lot of power. And the story they've fed us is bullshit. There are a lot of unanswered questions. And yes there are some pretty crazy theories out there but that doesn't mean they are all wrong.
Interesting that those that think there was no conspiracy are the conservative Democrats. They don't like conspiracies because it's too hard for their brains. Also, they believe in authoritarian adulation, i.e., never question your authoritarian leaders. You can recognize them as the ones with their fingers in their ears, eyes closed yelling "CT, run, CT".
The bottom line is that there are questions that need to be answered.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)all have been running the show all the way back to Nov 22nd 1963. (Which is why it was so very important to keep a lid on that "conspiracy." Once you realize they killed a man who was going to overturn the Federal Reserve, you realize a great deal. And none of it is very pretty.)
People here act like this wouldn't have happened if Gore had been in office. But it surely would have.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)for them to leave, they both had changes of demeanor. Instead of leaving Washington the DC as the pompous asses they are, they both quietly, meekly left town. Cheney even used a wheelchair. I believe that The Powers That Be, told them in no uncertain terms how to behave. They were mere tools of the NSA/CIA Dark State. And when Obama was elected, he was told that "they" had everything under control security wise and if he were to try to change something and some thing "happened" to go bad, it would be all on him. Not a direct threat, but a subtle threat.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)should be exposed.
This was state sponsored and did not just involve the hijackers from Saudi Arabia. I realize that the issue is complex but the American people deserve to know the truth. I also realize that too many just don't give a crap and are content to believe the simplistic lies.
And why has the Obama Admin. continued the cover-up?
Why must we always wait 50+ years for major truths to be exposed?
red dog 1
(27,820 posts)Wasn't "Obstruction of Justice" what Nixon was charged with in Watergate?
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)We as a country should cut all ties with murderous brutal dictators around the globe.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)Is the truth really, finally coming out????
Was all that really 15 years ago????
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Remember CNN reported in 2000 that the G8 Summit on the island of Genoa needed to be retrofitted with anti-aircraft guns because they were worried people would try to fly planes into the conference as bombs. But Condeleeza testified to Congress that no scenario was ever envisioned and that they had no idea terrorists could do such a thing. Of course, she refused to have her testimony under oath.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
there was some kind of collusion has been demonized for 15 years.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)KelleyKramer
(8,969 posts)That excuse was always such bullshit. Bush's daddy was a pilot in the Pacific during WW2 so they knew damn well a plane could be used as a weapon
bvar22
(39,909 posts)causing considerable damage and fire.
https://www.google.com/#q=b+25+bomber+crashes+into+empire+state+building
Before 2001, thee were a number of novels detailing this exact method of attacking tall buildings in the USA.
KelleyKramer
(8,969 posts)Don't remember the exact details, I think it was a small private plane
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)I remember seeing more than one interview in which he dicussed how D.C. should be a no-fly zone with fighters on patrol at all times there, citing how easy it would be to just fly planes into the White House, the Capitol, the Pentagon, etc. as it was then.
This, from an insurance salesman-turned-novelist. At the very, very best, this was gross incompetence and cover-up after cover-up until today.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Botany
(70,516 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)It's hard to believe we lived through 8 years of that destructive duo.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Including (perhaps especially) the United States government. Was this country not founded on the viciously brutal enslavement of African peoples in the name of white supremacy, or the effective genocide of Native peoples, and the exploitation of the poor and downtrodden in general? And this has continued throughout history, with our governments's actions during the Cold War being especially abhorrent.
As tempting as it is for the U.S. to throw stones at the Saudis for sponsoring terrorism, our government - and by extension, our country - is living in the biggest glass house on the planet. And us ordinary Americans, far from being passive bystanders in all of this, have actively benefited from the violence against and exploitation of others, both "at home" and around the globe. This is particularly true if you're white, male, straight, cisgender, and/or middle-class (I'm not including the American upper class in "ordinary Americans" because while they obviously benefit the most from the current state of affairs, they are not ordinary, by definition). We all have at least some degree of responsibility for what has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen in this world.
I have no illusions about any of this, and there can be no room for naivety or idealism when dealing with the harsh, cruel, deeply cynical realities of politics. This applies to both American politics as well as international politics. Anyone telling you that there is a one-size-fits-all solution (like say, voting for the "right" presidential candidate, or the U.S. government declassifying the infamous "28 pages" re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia) is selling you horseshit.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)It works on Pinochet time. 1 Pinochet is equal to about 35 years.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Taking care of his golden ticket. Cheney was the master reverse-vampire.
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CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)because the price of oil is in the shitter. Their country is having serious financial problems because the oil-dependent cash flow has been slowed to a crawl.
They control their people by bribing them.
Maybe, just maybe--some inside the US are finally saying, "FU" to the Saudis.
We constantly looked the other way, at a vast myriad of indiscretions committed by the Saudis. Their people are literally political prisoners who are hung in public for the slightest of insubordinations. But we needed access to cheap oil. Oil is cheap now for everyone.
The Saudi psychos have lost their leverage. The mask can be removed now.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)And they are armed to the teeth with weapons we sold them.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)we need thx to our gulf coast oil, deepwater drilling and conservation so goodbye to them.