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http://edzardernst.com/2016/04/zika-virus-prompts-homeopath-to-potentiate-ineptitude/"Homeopaths without Borders have been the subject of this blog before. I repeat what David Shaw, senior research fellow, Institute for Biomedical Ethics, University of Basel, Switzerland, wrote about this organisation in a BMJ-article: Despite Homeopaths Without Borders claims to the contrary, homeopathic humanitarian help is a contradiction in terms. Although providing food, water, and solace to people in areas affected by wars and natural disasters certainly constitutes valuable humanitarian work, any homeopathic treatment deceives patients into thinking they are receiving real treatment when they are not. Furthermore, training local people as homeopaths in affected areas amounts to exploiting vulnerable people to increase the reach of homeopathy. Much as an opportunistic infection can take hold when a persons immune system is weakened, so Homeopaths Without Borders strikes when a country is weakened by a disaster. However, infections are expunged once the immune system recovers but Homeopaths Without Borders methods ensure that homeopathy persists in these countries long after the initial catastrophe has passed. Homeopathy is neither helpful nor humanitarian, and to claim otherwise to the victims of disasters amounts to exploitation of those in need of genuine aid.
Now Homeopathy without Borders seem to promote the idea or should I say madness? that homeopathy offers a cure for the Zika virus infection. Given their track record this was to be expected. Whenever the world is facing a serious medical problem, homeopaths are at the ready to help. Only that they dont really help; they make false promises and distract from the task of solving the problem. Need I to remind you of the disaster they almost caused when they set out to treat Ebola?
Tragically, Homeopaths without Borders are not alone. Other homeopaths seem to agree with them and promote the madness of a homeopathic cure fro Zika. For instance, Dr Vikas Sharma, a homeopath from India, informs us that Homeopathic medicines Eupatorium Perfoliatum, Belladonna, Rhus Tox can be safely used in Zika virus infection treatment. These medicines come the closest in treating the symptoms of Zika virus infection. In an epidemics when a huge number of person are attacked by acute and similar sufferings from similar cause, Homeopathy can be of great prophylactic help. Homeopathy has been highly successful in treating epidemic diseases. Among them are cholera, dengue fever, yellow fever typhus, and conjunctivitis.
Confronted with stupidity on such a scale, I am lost for words. Luckily, David Shaw already said it all: Homeopathy is neither helpful nor humanitarian, and to claim otherwise to the victims of disasters amounts to exploitation of those in need of genuine aid."
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yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)...
procon
(15,805 posts)Its like a glimpse back in time to medieval sorcery, a peak into the witchdoctor's hut, or listening to the spiel of a snake oil charlatan. Where are the regulations, the laws that protect the public from a dangerous hoax like this?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It's the only thing they do well, of course. But they sure do make a lot of money with that marketing.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)It's amazing the amount of bullshit that decently educated modern humans will believe.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)AxionExcel
(755 posts)The people of Switzerland must be "STUPID" as Donald Trump and his Republican bootlickers are so fond of saying. They actually find homeopathy to be valid and worthwhile, even if multinational pharmaceutical corporations (R) and their minions (R) have a systematic campaign in place to try and pin the ad hominem attack label "stupid" on the people of Switzerland and anyone else who has an actual healing experience.
"The interior ministry has announced plans to give five complementary therapies including homeopathy the same status as conventional medicine.
"Homeopathy, holistic medicine, herbal medicine, acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine will acquire the same status as conventional medicine by May 2017 when it comes to health insurance..."
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/complementary-therapies_swiss-to-recognise-homeopathy-as-legitimate-medicine/42053830
This factual news about the informed, free-will decision of the educated and discerning people of Switzerland will - pundits speculate - stimulate the ongoing systemactic, regularly scheduled barrage of Homeopathy Hippie Punching, Inc.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Thanks for letting us know that.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/1800-studies-later-scientists-conclude-homeopathy-doesnt-work-180954534/?no-ist
http://www.smw.ch/content/smw-2012-13594/
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/switzerland-endorse-homeopathy/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2016/04/15/homeopathy-now-consigned-to-dustbin-of-ideas-officially/
Thus, it appears that your post here also contains some questionable information.
Why are you so adamant in your promotion of the long-debunked, unethical scam of homeopathy?
REP
(21,691 posts)AxionExcel
(755 posts)That takes a "special" kind of "courage."
I mean, imagine what might happen to the profits of multinational pharmaceutical corporations if homeopathy and other forms of holistic health were to catch on?
There's already a grave threat to profits from increasing public awareness of the putrid toxic side effects of pharmaceutical-chemical remedies. Somebody has to crush holistic health, somebody has call the people of Switzerland out as STUPID for using holistic health and trying to avoid drugs from Prescriptions, Inc.
Multinational Pharmaceutical Drugs, Inc. "side" effects:
NickB79
(19,253 posts)Stock in casket making would sky-rocket
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You mean worthless scams. It's not ok to promote such things.
This is not hard stuff.
Homeopathy is bunk, study says
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/08/homeopathy-is-bunk-study-says
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)There is absolutely none - ZERO proof that a) water retains 'memory' of things diluted in it; 2) a cure should replicate the symptoms of the disease it cures and 3) the more dilute the solution the stronger it is (without even considering Avogadro's number, which proves that, after a certain point of dilution the actual 'content' in the water of the 'drug' is zero), all basic tenets of Homeopathy. By trying to make the attack on Homeopathy an 'attack on holistic medicine' is just dishonest - a dishonest as Homeopathy itself.
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Good for them!
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Luckily, it won't be happening much longer.
http://www.zenosblog.com/2012/05/that-neutral-swiss-homeopathy-report/
BuddhaGirl
(3,608 posts)And I really don't care what you think about it.
It works for me, and that's fine.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And, yes, homeopathy is worthless. It doesn't do anything but empty your wallet, for no good reason.
It's your choice to waste your money on it, but it has no place in actual health care.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/1800-studies-later-scientists-conclude-homeopathy-doesnt-work-180954534/
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-09/plausibility-test-homeopathic-medicine
it's not worthless to many people. But you're entitled to believe it's worthless
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Your false belief is yours, but I do not have a belief about something that has been shown very clearly. Ignoring such overwhelming evidence in order to continue to promote something that has no value is not helpful to anyone. Ever.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/another-review-finds-homeopathy-worthless/
BuddhaGirl
(3,608 posts)My belief is not false. Homeopathy has been very beneficial to me.
You can post all the links you want expressing your disbelief.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)My posts contain links that show the actual reality that homeopathy is worthless.
https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2014/04/yet-another-meta-analysis-finds-homeopathy-useless
Thanks for the kicks, by the way! I do appreciate that.
(And you don't even seem to realize that saying "YMMV" confesses the reality that it does not work for anything but emptying one's wallet.)
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EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)It's about facts, and the fact is that water doesn't cure the Zika virus.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)homeopathy are fucking predators who should be jailed for medical fraud.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Effective?
I find it most interesting to see someone promote activities that science has long debunked as no more effective than placebo, and in most cases, harm the individual by not actually doing what it claims it does.
Seriously, when it comes to the science, put up or shut up, as the saying goes.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)AxionExcel
(755 posts)If you actually read my post your response might have a degree of coherence. I'm just reporting a fact. Thus it's truly stupid to imply that I am stupid, or that I should shut up. You'll just have to find a way to deal with facts.
The people of Switzerland, however, have found homeopathy to be effective. They are legitimizing it. Not me. They are the ones you want to be TRUMPing about as "STUPID" in your special opinion, and they are the ones you want "shut up" so they cannot exercise their intelligence or free will.
Please do your homework.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Not that anyone is going to be surprised.
And it is funny to see yet another classic diversion attempt.
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HuckleB
(35,773 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)That's right, the Swiss have decided that homeopathy and the other claims can never "prove their efficacy, cost-effectiveness and suitability". They've admitted they can't show they're effective, even when given 5 years to show it.
As a result of the vote, these treatments are covered by basic compulsory insurance as part of six-year trial period from 2012-2017. However, they were all required to prove their efficacy, cost-effectiveness and suitability by 2017.
In a statement released on Tuesday, the interior ministry said it had come to the conclusion that it was impossible to provide such proof for these disciplines in their entirety.
So they know they can't show they work, but they want their insurance to cover it anyway.
Yes, the Swiss people are able to be stupid.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)...you've got the wrong tool for the job. You are never going to come up with a valid answer.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)Faith healing is bunk.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Response to AxionExcel (Reply #20)
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cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)The next question that seems obvious is "why?"
But we both already know the answer to that.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:24 AM - Edit history (1)
And far too many DUers support that OP.
How does one fight climate change denialism, when this kind of crap gets progressive support?
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Does the science support what I believe to be true? If not, maybe you should change your beliefs to fit reality instead of tyring to convince others that reality fits your beliefs.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The fact that you were shown that and still decided to repost this propaganda as an OP is really sad.
http://www.smw.ch/content/smw-2012-13594/
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)(been there a few times) but the Swiss are not the Oracle or the Voice from Mount Sinai, any more than any other country.
REP
(21,691 posts)... maybe it's not all bad ... Keeping hydrated is an important part of recovering from an viral infection.
But if they're just bringing those tiny bottles of purified bullshit, well fuck them.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Homeopathy is total bunk.
Holistic approaches to health - by an MD - in terms of assessing one's lifestyle and environment has potential.
Herbal approaches are largely worthless, but some active herbs - like cayenne, thyme, and oregano - do have some potential for helping minor issues such as disinfecting a small injury or relieving a sore throat via gargling.
Rex
(65,616 posts)So what is the survival rate of people that use homeopathic remedies? I wonder.
REP
(21,691 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)That's not good.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)in Brazil theyre semiofficial and used to provide clinic care in areas even NGOs dont serve (let alone Brazilian doctors) and provide health education
presumably the Brazilian medical system has only one-10,000th of a stick up its ass about homeopathy by comparison to the Fearless Fanboys