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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 04:07 PM May 2016

Nearly 75% of new jobs created over the next decade will pay a median wage of less than $35k a year

Most people are surprised when I tell them that only about 30% of Americans over the age of 25 have bachelor’s degrees. This is especially true of professional middle-class folks who went to high schools where almost everybody went to college immediately after graduation and whose friends now are almost all college graduates. But it’s also true of people from working-class and poor backgrounds, who seem to think they are “abnormal” or “below average” because they haven’t graduated from college. They’re not. They are, in fact, the ones who are “typical.”

It’s even more surprising, however, when the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that in 2010 only 20% of jobs required a bachelor’s degree, whereas 26% of jobs did not even require a high school diploma, and another 43% required only a high school diploma or equivalent. And according to the BLS, this isn’t going to change much by 2020, since the overwhelming majority of jobs by then will still require only a high school diploma or less. What’s more, nearly 3/4ths of “job openings due to growth and replacement needs” over the next 10 years will pay a median wage of less than $35,000 a year, with nearly 30% paying a median of about $20,000 a year (in 2010 dollars).


Even if we expand the definition to include jobs requiring any education beyond high school, the “knowledge economy” – now and a decade from now –will still represent less than one-third of all available jobs. This is a lot of jobs, about 44 million now, and if you work and live in this one-third, especially in its upper reaches, more education can seem like the answer to everything. Indeed, according to the BLS, having a bachelor’s degree should yield a person nearly $30,000 a year more in wages than a high school graduate.

But most of the American economy is not like this. The BLS’s three largest occupational categories by themselves accounted for more than one-third of the workforce in 2010 (49 million jobs), and they will make an outsized contribution to the new jobs projected for 2020. They are:

Office and administrative support occupations (median wage of $30,710)
Sales and related occupations ($24,370)
Food preparation and serving occupations ($18,770)

Other occupations projected to provide the largest number of new jobs in the next decade include child care workers ($19,300), personal care aides ($19,640), home health aides ($20,560), janitors and cleaners ($22,210), teacher assistants ($23,220), non-construction laborers ($23,460), security guards ($23,920), and construction laborers ($29,280).


If we were serious about eliminating poverty or restoring the credibility of the American Dream or simply respecting lifetimes of hard work, we would be debating how to raise wages directly – how to make it easier for workers to organize themselves into unions, how to get the federal minimum wage higher and on a steady inflation-adjusted escalator, whether to require some kind of workers council for all employers, and then legally require that the benefits of productivity growth be shared with workers. We’d also be discussing how to use a more steeply progressive system of taxation to build a social wage that makes the basics of life – food, housing, mass transit, child care, education, and health care – cheaper for everyone, but most crucially for lower wage workers.


https://workingclassstudies.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/education-jobs-and-wages/

Really sobering, when you think about it - especially in light of how much the American welfare state has been ravaged in the past few decades by global economic trends and political choices, and how stingy our society is when it comes to taking care of the working classes and the poorest among us.
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Nearly 75% of new jobs created over the next decade will pay a median wage of less than $35k a year (Original Post) YoungDemCA May 2016 OP
I wonder when the real estate and auto industries oldandhappy May 2016 #1
Who knows. YoungDemCA May 2016 #2
kick louis c May 2016 #3
Never. jeff47 May 2016 #8
ouch oldandhappy May 2016 #12
"Just like those same companies would massively benefit from single-payer" KamaAina May 2016 #19
K&R smirkymonkey May 2016 #4
Just the way our Oligarchy likes it n2doc May 2016 #5
Jebus! That's less than I make! KamaAina May 2016 #6
it's not less than I "make" Pakhet May 2016 #18
75% and median do not seem to go together hfojvt May 2016 #7
Gonna be mowin' down a bunch more of those homes (you just thought you could sell it) and school jtuck004 May 2016 #9
Thank the Clinton's, DLC, Third Way, Republicans Ferd Berfel May 2016 #10
Reagan and his union busting, trickle-down economics and tax cuts for the rich seem to escape your pampango May 2016 #16
Sorry if I was too subtle for you. Ferd Berfel May 2016 #20
Indeed you did add "Republicans" to your list of Democratic villains. I appreciate that. pampango May 2016 #21
The problem is that they are all Neo-Cons Ferd Berfel May 2016 #22
Ignorant uneducated writer does not have a clue about the meaning of "median" Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #11
Mean, median, and mode 1939 May 2016 #23
Great post. FDR knew and modern Sweden, Germany and others know how to keep wages high pampango May 2016 #13
What Bernardo said Android3.14 May 2016 #14
The point is, most new jobs are not paying very well alarimer May 2016 #17
True, but that's no excuse for such a poorly researched article Android3.14 May 2016 #27
The conclusions bug me..... Adrahil May 2016 #15
Of course Hydra May 2016 #24
I kinda think.... Adrahil May 2016 #25
I hope that's the way we go Hydra May 2016 #28
What's worse is the question of housing, where is the housing for workers earning too little to buy Todays_Illusion May 2016 #26
yep; the "haves" jack up the price of rentals and starter homes, and at the same time do everything TheFrenchRazor May 2016 #29

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
1. I wonder when the real estate and auto industries
Mon May 2, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

will get involved in the minimum wage/student debt fights.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. Never.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

Yes, they'd get a whole lot more business if people could afford to buy more of their products.

But the people running these companies would have to want to do it. And they're far to self-absorbed, self-serving, and have waaaaaaaay too short a time horizon to actually do it.

Just like those same companies would massively benefit from single-payer - they'd save a ton of money by no longer having to insure their employees, in addition to most of their customers having more money. They still oppose it.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
19. "Just like those same companies would massively benefit from single-payer"
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

GM does a lot of its manufacturing in Oshawa, Ont. for this very reason. And remember, what's good for General Motors is good for the country.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. Just the way our Oligarchy likes it
Mon May 2, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

Poor, desperate workers who will fight each other for scraps. While a few stay rich beyond their wildest dreams.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
7. 75% and median do not seem to go together
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

Either that or it means that 37% of the jobs will pay MORE than $35,000 a year, and only about 15% paying less than $20,000 a year. Not sure what that means about the median wage of the other 25% of jobs. I would sort of expect some of those jobs to pay less than $35,000, and maybe even less than $20,000.

As for the first stat. Well, what is the percentage of people 25 to 40 who have a bachelor's degree? Probably much higher than 30%.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
9. Gonna be mowin' down a bunch more of those homes (you just thought you could sell it) and school
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

books will get rattier, more bridges fall.

Areas of wealth, surrounded by tarpaper and cardboard.

Fear us, we are the most powerful nation in the world.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
10. Thank the Clinton's, DLC, Third Way, Republicans
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

NAFTA, CAFTA, OBAMA, and of course TPP & TTIP

Basically, thank the right wing neo-con crowd



They have destroyed the American Dream

pampango

(24,692 posts)
16. Reagan and his union busting, trickle-down economics and tax cuts for the rich seem to escape your
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

scorn.

NAFTA, CAFTA, OBAMA, and of course TPP & TTIP


It's all the fault of Mexicans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, etc. rather than republicans and their 1% sponsors who bust unions, cut their own taxes and shred the safety net. (I do appreciate that you added "Republicans" in your title to go along with all of the blasts at Democrats - "Clinton's (sic), OBAMA, NAFTA and of course TTP and TTIP".)

Of course, the highest wage countries in the world trade much, much more than the US does. Of course, they also have the strongest unions, the best safety nets and the highest taxes.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
20. Sorry if I was too subtle for you.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

I believe St Ronnie comes under the heading: Republicans

But basically all of it falls under the heading: Neo-cons.


pampango

(24,692 posts)
21. Indeed you did add "Republicans" to your list of Democratic villains. I appreciate that.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:46 PM
May 2016

Forgive me for singling out Saint Ronnie for criticism and for implying that all of our economic problems may not be due to trade.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
11. Ignorant uneducated writer does not have a clue about the meaning of "median"
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

Median means half above half below. This is taught in Grade 4.
https://www.eduplace.com/math/mw/background/4/09/te_4_09_overview.html


and sometimes Second Grade of Elementary School

The concept of "median" is not rocket science level.

It is meaningless to write "What’s more, nearly 3/4ths of 'job openings due to growth and replacement needs' over the next 10 years will pay a median wage of less than $35,000 a year, with nearly 30% paying a median of about $20,000 a year".

Conceivably (we don't know and can't read minds) the writer means that the 75 percentile wage would be $35K and the 30 percentile wage would be $20K.

But if that is what Mr. Metzgar meant he would have written that. So he must mean something else or he is uneducated.

1939

(1,683 posts)
23. Mean, median, and mode
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:57 PM
May 2016

Wages and salaries assume a log-normal or Pareto distribution. Mode is the least and most likely point. Median is the half above and half below point. Mean is the weighted average and is highly affected by the extreme values on the right end of the curve. Mode<Median<Mean.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. Great post. FDR knew and modern Sweden, Germany and others know how to keep wages high
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

and inequality low.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
14. What Bernardo said
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

One, if what this "journalist" is saying is true as far as the amount, then that $35K is $17.50/hour, more than twice the current minimum wage in most areas of the country.

Second, the author and the editor should find a job that requires less math. Journalists need to be good at many different disciplines.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
17. The point is, most new jobs are not paying very well
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

Since most of them are in the service industry, which are shitty jobs no matter how you look at it. Yet somehow all anyone can ever talk about are the Silicon Valley type companies, which generate comparatively few actual jobs.

So people without degrees, who used to be able to earn a living at some manufacturing jobs, now have some crappy service job to replace it.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
27. True, but that's no excuse for such a poorly researched article
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

And we should be paying a minimum wage of $15. We need to value our service industry, because pretty soon machines will be performing most of the thinking jobs.

With a minimum guaranteed standard of living in a universe of infinite resources, the service industry will be what will save us.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
15. The conclusions bug me.....
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

What's of concern here is the disappearance of skilled blue collar jobs. They are being lost to automation. The fact is that most "blue collar" jobs are now unskilled jobs and workers for such jobs are fairly interchangeable. If you don't have a skill that is in demand, you're not going to be able to demand much for it. And the blue-collar jobs that require such skills are disappearing fast....

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
24. Of course
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

More and more work is being done by less and less people due to technology. The problem is, do we try and keep everyone employed, do we agree that employment is not as important as it was and give people income anyway, or do we just do a Darwinist thing and let the people who fall off the musical chairs die or go rogue to survive?

It's possibly the most critical question coming up, other than what are we going to do about climate change? The solutions will probably be linked.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
28. I hope that's the way we go
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

And sooner rather than later. I think it's just as likely that most of us will get the axe.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
26. What's worse is the question of housing, where is the housing for workers earning too little to buy
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

or even rent in many cities.

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
29. yep; the "haves" jack up the price of rentals and starter homes, and at the same time do everything
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

everything possible to make sure that the very people in need of them are making poverty wages, whether their jobs are "skilled" or not.

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