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Why don't all right-wing institutions allow people to carry guns. When the smoke clears, the world can only be a better place.
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)to withdraw and transfer to a sane college.
braddy
(3,585 posts)"A bill allowing staff and faculty at Tennessee's public colleges and universities to be armed on campus became law Monday"
I would feel safer with a student on such a campus.
stone space
(6,498 posts)If I see one, I'm cancelling class immediately and calling 911.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Threatening people?
It's not like anyone is saying they would do something illegal like stealing
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Unable to know what a threat is?
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)That poster's definition. Actually he considers it a "threat" if someone claims he would be arrested for breaking the law. He also believes he can have people arrested even if they have broke no law.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)I see you have encountered the "professor's" unusual take on how the legal system works.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Other people can do the same thing at various levels [of intelligence; but satellite operators break all kinds of laws, especially defaming Xi Jinping, while "taking it to=2 the street..." btw, "gotcha"]
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Are you teaching in Tennessee? If so, no, I wouldnt.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The concealed weapon I would carry in your classroom. If you see one, they are breaking the law.
stone space
(6,498 posts)The concealed weapon I would carry in your classroom.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Or as you say....
Why are you threatening me, waaaaaaaa
stone space
(6,498 posts)Or as you say....
Why are you threatening me, waaaaaaaa
You'll go to jail.
It's that simple.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)The COLLEGE'S classroom is subject to those laws, unless the university bans them. You get no say.
If it's legal in your state, I'll carry it to your class as much as I please.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Is that clear enough for you?
linuxman
(2,337 posts)For the record, I think it's a VERY good thing you don't have a gun around students.
stone space
(6,498 posts)For the record, I think it's a VERY good thing you don't have a gun around students.
You think your precious gun is a Trump Card.
Damn right I'm mad!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Is that not how you were on many, many vacations, lol
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I love it. Dick jokes, thinly disguised homophobia wolf whistles, rage smilies, and bluster. It's all they have left.
stone space
(6,498 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)I prefer ALL groups to have the right to effective self defense. Armed gays don't get bashed.
I guess you'd just call them ammosexual and be done with it, though.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Gay folks are human beings, just like you and me.
What you did was disgustingly homophobic.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Ammosexual was coined to denigrate gun owners by conflating their choice to be armed with being a homosexual, as if that were a bad thing. Everyone knows what you mean when you say it. It's not clever. Seems everyone who uses that term is a homophobiahomophobic asshole.
Own it.
I imagine if you called my gay, concealed carrying brother in law an ammosexual to his face...well you wouldnt. You're the keyboard type of activist. It would be funny to watch the aftermath though.
stone space
(6,498 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)conflating homosexuals and deadly weapons is disgusting and should not be tolerated on this site.
Unfortunately not all of your homophobic posts were hidden:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185048
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185037
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172185048#post4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172185048#post7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172185048#post25
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172185048#post21
It is a shame that some juries chosen to not hide such disgusting homophobia
stone space
(6,498 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)you are the one who did it.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Cocks not glocks: Dildos to replace guns at UT-Austin campus carry protest
By Lauren McGaughy
Updated 1:30 pm, Saturday, October 10, 2015
AUSTIN - Hundreds of students at the University of Texas at Austin will protest a new law will allow more guns on campus not with signs or sit-ins, but by "strapping gigantic swinging dildos to our backpacks."
Their mantra? #CocksNotGlocks
Jessica Jin, who set up the "Campus (DILDO) Carry" event on Facebook, invokes the argument that allowing more guns on campus will make students safe is a fallacy. She's urging students to send campus leaders that message by strapping on the plastic phalluses.
"'You're carrying a gun to class? Yeah well I'm carrying a HUGE DILDO,'" Jin says in the group's description. "Just about as effective at protecting us from sociopathic shooters, but much safer for recreational play."
More than 330 people had signed up to participate by Saturday morning. The "strap in" will occur on Aug. 24, 2016, the first day of next year's fall semester.
The event was created the same day one student was killed and another wounded in a shooting at Texas Southern University, and just days after other deadly shootings on campuses in Oregon and Arizona.
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http://www.chron.com/local/education/campus-chronicles/article/campus-carry-ut-austin-dildo-dildos-texas-6563276.php#photo-8769405
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)7. OMG! OH NOZ! Pictures of gunsucking ammosexuals are all over the intertubz!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172185048#post7
stone space
(6,498 posts)So?
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)I'll let you complete the sentence.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I'll let you complete the sentence.
I'm no writer, but here goes:
"When bigots using homophobic images on their facebook pages inflict their ammosexality on innocent children, the children can be scarred for life."
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2014/08/26/bitter-irony/
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)It may not be poetry, but it is true.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Come on, at least try
TipTok
(2,474 posts)It's a bit weird how much time the controller crowd spends thinking, talking and writing about our collective genitals.
Get a better hobby or at least write better fan fiction...
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Nice dog whistle. Everyone knows what you really want to say.
Man, I'm beginning to think that with your volatile temper, your gun would be the least of the danger to your students.
stone space
(6,498 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)I guess thats why you're not a law, english, or philosophy prof.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But since this OP is about legal carry, I would in that state. I hope you do not move or your laws change.
Of course after about a dozen threads on this, you still fail to answer a simple and basic question.
How would you know I have a weapon if I am properly concealed carrying?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Yet you persist with your same old threats over and over again, stalking me from thread to thread.
This is GD, not the Gudgeon.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)A weapon I may or may not have?
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I want to see what you do when your x-ray vision let's yu know one of your students is carrying.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)We don't believe in cold blooded murder.
Note to jurors: Common knowledge in the gudgeon. Poster makes no secret about his support of Zimmerman.
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TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Convicted of cold-blooded murder? I missed that story.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Convicted of cold-blooded murder? I missed that story.
Zimmerman is a cold-blooded murderer who should be in prison.
I don't alert because I disagree with someone who is wrong. Please point me to the story where Zimmerman was convicted of murder though. I missed that one.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Yes Zimmerman is a murdering racist coward.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Murdering racist coward? Who else that was found innocent by a jury of their peers would you like to see in prison?
stone space
(6,498 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Zimmerman is a racist coward. Not mention a nra supporter and just a pos.
Yes Sanford, FL not surprised by what happen in that area. A lot of gun nut cowards in that area.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Even have to do with campus carry in TN? He was absolved based on FL stand your ground laws, which have nothing to do with campus carry in any state.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)I could see the same coward paranoid loser type being supportive for a reason to carry a gun to school.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)You've made the point about "paranoid lose types" already. Not sure why you keep repeating that insult. Does it make you feel better?
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Apologies then, thought he did for some reason.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Have to do with cold blooded murder?
stone space
(6,498 posts)He thought that he had some wisdom to offer Iowans.
He doesn't.
We don't like cold blooded murder.
And we have no reason to take advice from folks who do support cold-blooded murder.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Certainly not Zimmerman since he was absolved, so you've lost me.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Certainly not Zimmerman since he was absolved, so you've lost me.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)You reference Zimmerman and murder but he wasn't convicted of murder. Did you mean someone else, or did you mean the guy who was found innocent of murder is a murderer?
And on edit, where am I coming from?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Well Zimmerman got off because of the area. Been through Sanford, FL many times.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)There's zero reason to bring a gun to school. You have to be a idiot to want to bring a gun to a school.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)What must it be like to be that afraid all the time?
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I don't shake and shiver at the thought of someone lawfully carrying a pistol, unlike some.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Commonsense.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I'll give it all the attention and consideration it deserves. I'll let you guess how much that is.
Ad hominids get you nowhere.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)There's no reason to carry a gun to school. That's not hard to understand unless something is wrong with the person.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Well the person is a nutcase.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I hope you go to jail for that.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)A paranoid loser.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Good thing your opinion doesn't impact the legality of concealed carry.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Insults and penis jokes
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)The insult is the gun carrying paranoid losers that want carry a gun everywhere.
Just the republicansNRA losers.
As a matter of fact, I just received a call from the nra asking for money. Boy did they screw up calling the wrong place.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Good job
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)There were no insults. Usually republicans think that when said.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Is a compliment? You have an odd sense of how to compliment someone.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Are gun nut losers? Huh, didn't know that. I'm actually a Dem (which is why I'm on DU and not a Republican website) and have been since I first voted. Question - Gabby Giffords supports the individual right to keep and bear arms, as does President Obama. Do you think they are gun nut losers? And instead of more personal insults, it would be nice if you answer the question - are Giffords and President Obama gun nut losers because they support the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)That it actually happened or just his declared support for the individual right to own firearms?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)If you support taking a gun to school or into a department store etc.. then yes you're a gun nut paranoid loser.
No President Obama doesn't support taking your gun into those places. That's all republican.
Stop making excuses for the republican party and nra.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Interesting thought process.
For the record, I'd never break the law. I'm simply assuming that the venerable teacher works in tennesee, as that's the state mentioned in the story, and he won't tell me what state he works in.
If you were to call the cops in Tennessee (which is where I assume this hypothetical scenario is taking pkace) YOU would be the one going to jail.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)There's no reason to carry a gun to a school. Commonsense unless you're a paranoid loser/gun nut.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... And wasting police resources.
The police aren't there to protect your feelings.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)No reason to carry a gun to school. Just a ounce of commonsense.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Using that same logic you'll be calling the police on black people just to be safe and to have the police come 'check them out'.
They haven't done anything illegal or wrong but you want to use the power of the law to inconvenience then and maybe get them hurt or arrested.
So delicate...
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)It seems that paranoid gun nut losers fit in with Trump supporters.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Or just a doubling down on your willingness to commit a crime and potentially cost someone else their health or safety because you want to harass someone who is obeying the law but has offended you personally?
Two options...
You tell the truth that you saw a man with a gun carrying it in a holster in a non threatening manner but it bothers you and you'd like them to come 'check him out'. At that point the police will tell you that he's doing nothing illegal and they have no reason to come.
or...
You lie and say that he is behaving in a threatening manner and they need to get there right fuck NOW. Now you're the actual criminal and you've placed the lives of others in jeapordy by creating an unsafe and stressful situation and you've drawn actual resources from someone who needed them.
Either way.... Doesn't look good for you... Unless you don't care about ethics or morals or the law... Then you are good to go I guess..
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)They will come and check that person out.
You have to be way out there in nra republican territory to think that the Police will not come.
No "Unless you don't care about ethics or morals or the law" that would really be the nra supporting gun nuts that think they to carry a gun everywhere.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Are you suggesting that one has to go to 'nra territory' to find police that enforce the law as it's written?
If it's legal and you are honest the police should leave that person alone and tell you to quit wasting police time.
If you lie to get a rise out of them, that's on you.
Maybe you are just so comfortably insulated in your safe space that you can't conceive that someone would make a choice you don't like and thus your first response is to reach out to an authority figure to have them deal with it for you instead of either a) ignoring it or b) talking to them like an adult.
Maybe it's time to get out more...
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)This is like dealing with a Trump or Bushco. The Police will send out a person to check out the gun carrying idiot at a school or department store.
I own one gun and it's in a safe. I never have been so scared to have it with me everywhere. I'm not brained washed like that.
I think it's the same kind of person that's so scared that when a person knocks on the door at night they would shoot that person.
I remember seeing lights from flash lights around my front glass door, and I didn't think the first thing to do was get a gun and shoot them. It was the Police telling me that my garage door was still open.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)If it's legal then you are either going to lie to get the result you want or tell the truth and be told that no laws are being broken.
Maybe you live in Mayberry where the police don't have any actual crime to deal with.
You really are that insulated aren't you?
Must be nice while it lasts...
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Again if I see a random person carrying a gun around in school, Police are going to be called.
Unless the person is a loser/ paranoid/ gun nut take you're pick, maybe all of the above. No reason to bring a gun to school.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)You don't teach at a university... It's a kindergarten...
That explains the name calling...
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)No but I can see someone like you would support a person bringing a gun to a school.
"It's a kindergarten... "?
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Deepest apologies...
I'll still stand by the kindergarten level insults though.
braddy
(3,585 posts)police even when they could use them to handle a drunk family member, or one with mental issues, for you to call in telling them that someone has a gun, could definitely get a student killed.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I'm not playing games here.
There's nothing fake about it.
braddy
(3,585 posts)SWAT on your fellow professors and bosses?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)you are either a paranoid nutcase or loser to bring a gun to school.
braddy
(3,585 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)teachers and staff, and your bosses, would be the ones carrying.
What state are you in?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Stop making excuses for the nra to sale more guns.
braddy
(3,585 posts)that if you are in Tennessee, then your fellow teachers and staff, and your bosses, would be the ones carrying.
What state are you in?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)It always does.
I live in a number- Florida/ North Carolina etc..
braddy
(3,585 posts)"A bill allowing staff and faculty at Tennessee's public colleges and universities to be armed on campus became law Monday"
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)guns in the car, out in the parking lot.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Has a place at a school is irrelevant to whether campus carry is legal. If you don't want to live in a state where legal then move. If you live in a state where legal then work to change the laws you don't like. Many states allow campus carry (including such "red" states as Oregon) and I'm not aware of any campus shootings anywhere that resulted from legal carry.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)The Police will check you out. There's no reason to carry a gun to school.
Stop making excuses for gun nut losers.
More insults - "gun nut losers." You are on a roll. The ammosexual name-calling can't be far off. Good to know that you are going to call 911 on law-abiding citizens. Not like the police have anything better to do.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Republicans usually have problem with.
Republicans will respond to a truth with, "well that's insult" or "whatever".
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)That Dems shouldn't insult other Dems.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Keep going, I think you could do better
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I guess I gave you too much credit, sorry
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Just finished watching Lawrence O
braddy
(3,585 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Call the Police if you see anybody with a gun to have them checked out.
braddy
(3,585 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)At Walmart.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Stop the gun culture.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Those would be the police with guns, right?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Maybe you should take a break from the meds.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)John Crawford lll
They paid with their lives the price of this advice.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)You get the cops they send you not the ones you want. It was especially true in the case of John Crawford when the person calling 911 outright lied about his actions.
In both cases a person saw someone with what appeared to be a gun. They called 911 and two innocents died because of it.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)They should stop hiring idiots and train the people better.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)innocent, law abiding folks are at risk, minorities disproportionately so.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)surely you're not a state employee who is seeking to deny the lawful exercise of a civil right based on your personal beliefs?
stone space
(6,498 posts)surely you're not a state employee who is seeking to deny the lawful exercise of a civil right based on your personal beliefs?
I am a state employee.
Do you have a problem with state employees?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Who thinks they get to decide what is or is not legal. If your state doesn't permit campus carry for now then good for you. When your state does permit campus carry in a year or two then I hope you'll follow the law as enacted by the people who represent the citizens of your state.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)of someone's civil right then yeah, I would have a problem.
Just like I had a problem with Kim Davis
stone space
(6,498 posts)WTF???
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)are you a state employee ignoring the law to deny the exercise of a civil right because the law or the right violates your personal beliefs?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)deny the lawful practice of someone's civil right? No.
stone space
(6,498 posts)deny the lawful practice of someone's civil right? No.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)on someone complying with the law while exercising a civil right.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Von someone complying with the law while exercising a civil right.
It is an uncivil wrong.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Kim Davis said the same thing.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)conceal carry on campus would be ignored in an area of your designation.
stone space
(6,498 posts)What makes you think that you have that right in the first place?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)You, however, decided YOUR classroom was a place where the state law would be invalid.
stone space
(6,498 posts)You, however, decided YOUR classroom was a place where the state law would be invalid.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Last edited Tue May 3, 2016, 12:04 PM - Edit history (1)
I would
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Yes?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Yes?
You aren't even making sense here.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... Your morals on the rest of us. Law, ethics and decent adult behavior be damned.
It does remind me of old Kim Davis.
On a completely unrelated note, how much of your daily wardrobe would fall in the category of denim?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Why should I obey you?
Just because you have a gun?
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Wild and wacky idea that it is...
stone space
(6,498 posts)Your guns aren't that powerful.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Not a civics professor then either?
stone space
(6,498 posts)If I spot a gun, I will cancel class immediately, and I will call 911, and have the perpetrator arrested.
Your guns don't make you omnipotent.
That's an illusion on your part.
You can't just make up laws with your guns.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... You don't have a choice.
Short of choosing to resign and find a school / state that doesn't allow it.
Of course those seem to be fewer and fewer as time goes on.
stone space
(6,498 posts)You don't get to make the rules in my classroom, and I will not be taking legal advice from some internet lawyer who has already lied about the law in my classroom.
You must think that we are really stupid.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Notice the 'if' that preceded all the other posts.
If such a law were to be enacted, you would be obligated to follow it or leave.
Professor of gender studies maybe?
Definitely not law. The list keeps getting shorter and shorter.
Maybe you are having trouble conceptualizing the idea that such a law could exist in your personal academic utopia.
stone space
(6,498 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)As the conversation progresses I am eliminating other possibilities.
Right now I believe law, English, and criminal justice are off the table.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)I take it as a slur on homosexual. Sounds too similar.
Lighten up.
Don't be afraid.
It's just a legal firearm.
You're always telling people not to be afraid.
You go first.
stone space
(6,498 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Sounds too much like homosexual.
Many people, including myself, do not consider homosexual to be a slur.
It's just a lifestyle.
Ammosexual is a slur. They sound too much alike.
People should find another ignorant term to use to insult gun owners.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)is no accident. It is completely a homophobic slur. A homophobic slur which the above poster is more than willing to use despite his feigned outrage.
Check out some examples and note who posted the pictures http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027798051#post146
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... Waste police resources to push their own agenda.
Hopefully no one else actually needs the police when you are placing your false call.
stone space
(6,498 posts)WTF???
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... Were allowed and you stated your intent to call 911 anyways.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Did you reply to my post my mistake?
You might want to go back and reread the post of mine that you initially responded to.
I think I was pretty clear that I was talking about MY classroom.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Simple don't be a paranoid loser.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)... but I refer you to post 218
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7798973
The default assumption that someone is a criminal and using police authority to harass them says more about you.
people who need guns to go to a freaking classroom or a fast food restaurant - that says EVERYTHING about them
done here because I DETEST wasting my time with gun lovers
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Do you mock folks with fire extinguishers and multitools as well?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)....calling the police is an illegal act in itself.
It's called (in NY) filing a false report.
stone space
(6,498 posts)...calling 911 after spotting a gun in his or her class?
....calling the police is an illegal act in itself.
It's called (in NY) filing a false report.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Why do I need a link?
I did not say I knew of an instance, I just said that you can't knowingly call the cops on a legal activity.
In New York, calling the cops falsely is called filing a false report.
stone space
(6,498 posts)An instance in New York would be fine.
But internet lawyers can't always back up their claims.
That's why I asked for an example.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)1. Initiates or circulates a false report or warning of an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a crime, catastrophe or emergency under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or inconvenience will result; or
BTW carrying on campus is illegal in NY so it would be appropriate to call the police.
Calling the police if you see a licensed hunter on state land - just to cause trouble, would be the above described offense.
stone space
(6,498 posts)We're talking about true reports here.
I'm being told by multiple people here that calling the police with a true report of a gun in my own classroom will land me in jail.
I'm being given just the opposite advice from what the campus cops here tell me.
We get alerts whenever a gun is spotted, both by telephone in my office, and thru email.
Folks here in this thread are attempting to convince me to risk my own life and the lives of my students simply to avoid inconveniencing a gunman, insisting that they know the law better than I do, and also insisting that they have more authority over my classroom than I do.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)I don't think calling for a real sighting of a real firearm (or very realistic fake) would be a crime, honestly.
If you knew it to be fake (such as a drill team) and just wanted to piss people off, or told 911 that he was waving it around when he was not, there would be a problem.
Simply calling 911 should not be a problem. The first time you see the person with the gun.
However, if you know the person was carrying legally, had carried before peacefully, and you were just trying to 'push back' on a law you don't like, you do deserve a sit-down with a very grumpy Chief of Police.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)You see a person carrying a gun in school or maybe a department store , call the Police to check him or her out.
I have done that with regards to a department store. There's really no reason unless you're a paranoid republican that thinks everybody is out to get you or a crook.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... And you won't get the cops called to 'check you out'.
Same bullshit logic that comes at the expense of someone else's civil liberties.
All because you are uncomfortable...
stone space
(6,498 posts)Are you claiming that Black folks are deadly weapons?
If not, why are you comparing Black folks with deadly weapons?
TipTok
(2,474 posts)That's where your mind went when I mention black people? Wow...
I feel like the hand model from Zoolander. I literally just explained it. In the post you replied to...
A professor you say?
In any case, a black person and a legal gun owner getting the cops called on them is utilization of the police to protect the delicate feelings of the person who called.
They haven't done anything that would actually deserve it but the caller feels the need to assert themselves and get something they are uncomfortable with out of their presence without actually having to interact with the person.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Black folks are human beings.
Guns are not human beings. Guns are dangerous weapons.
Expecting people to treat Black folks the same way that we treat deadly weapons is offensive and racist beyond belief.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)We are actually talking about people in both cases.
That's the same logic as someone who crosses the street to get away from a black person or call the cops on them because some tiny minority of black people have committed a crime and thus these folks must be a threat to.
Your irrational fear doesn't morally or legally justify harassment or your own crime in wasting police resources.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Black folks, however, are human beings, and as such, possess human rights and civil rights that guns don't have.
They are most certainly NOT deadly weapons, and should not be treated as deadly weapons.
There is no comparison.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... Are in fact not people.
Early morning?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Bringing a deadly weapon into my classroom will get my class canceled, result in a 911 call, and the arrest of the perpetrator.
Black students and Gay students are welcome in my classroom, but deadly weapons are not.
Treating Black folks and Gay folks like deadly weapons is bigotry, plain and simple.
Learn the difference between human beings and deadly weapons.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)How completely typical to just ignore the parts of the conversation you find uncomfortable and just put yourself on repeat.
Go look up 'if' and get back to me. I'll be by to check your work later.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)TipTok
(2,474 posts)... And look forward to being provided with new information.
If you can point out anywhere I've been factually and objectively incorrect, I encourage you to do so.
braddy
(3,585 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)Response to stone space (Reply #2)
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Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)as it has on other campuses that allow this
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)We have an injury timeout on the field.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)A paranoid gun culture brought to you by far right republicans and nra scumbags.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Which far right scumbags are to blame there? The official Dem party platform supports an individual right to keep and bear arms. Does that make President Obama (or candidates Clinton/Sanders) far right scumbags?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)So is she a far right scumbag? I think not
I was wrong about Oregon. Concealed carry is permitted in some schools but not uniform.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Like I said before, if I see a random person carrying a gun in school, the Police will be called.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)My job requires me to be armed in case if I have to to a courier job that comes up.
I also do consulting for several schools including evaluating their Security Programs. In each of the schools I have written permission from the administration to carry a sidearm concealed. I typically wear a suit and tie not a regular uniform.
So are you saying I do not have reason to carry in a school? I'm just a gun nut?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)"In each of the schools I have written permission from the administration to carry a sidearm concealed."
Then you can show it to the Police. Do you have a problem with that?
If you support that anybody should carry a gun to school, then yes you're a gun nut loser.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)to show my carry permit to a LEO on demand. If I am on school property then I must also have the written permission on my person as well.
Please show me where I ever indicated I support allowing anyone/everyone to carry on school property. While you are looking for that I will obtain photographic and DNA proof of the existence of bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster- maybe the Easter Bunny as well.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)"If I am on school property then I must also have the written permission on my person as well. " Really? Of course you would.
I have always consider the gun nut types and religious fanatics the same to a degree.
"I will obtain photographic and DNA proof of the existence of bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster- maybe the Easter Bunny as well"
Do you really? maybe you have a Jesus image in some burnt toast?
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)you never really know. gun nuts and religious nuts go hand in hand.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)I am quite curious.
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sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Everything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you
If all you got is name calling I'm just going to phone it in from the playground. Say hi to the billy goats for me
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)I like that one. And "Police" with a capital P. You seem to be a big fan of authority and making sure everyone else toes the state-approved line.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Gun culture!!!
Nut Job!!!
BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!
I live in a community and region awash in firearms.
I have not locked my door in the 10 years I have lived here.
On warm Saturdays this place sounds like a war zone.
No one ever gets hurt.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)A person that thinks they have to carry a gun to school is a paranoid loser.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...One I never carry (K98 Mauser)
The other one I carry a heck of a lot less than people on this website think I do.
What fun would it be to admit I really only carry my handgun deep in the woods?
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)That you cannot see any legitimate reason for a woman to have the ability to defend herself from a possibly much larger or stronger attacker.
In many states that have passed campus carry there were campus sexual assault survivors lobbying for it. Are you saying they are just paranoid nut jobs? Or that we should deny the most effective means of self defense to people while on campus who may be targets of sexual violence?
That if a faculty member is dealing with an abusive spuse or ex spouse who is making threats they shouldn't be allowed the most effective means of self defense all the hours of the day they are at work?
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...it's a really sick concept, but some would lobby for it.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)What's wrong Faux News's website down?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You are learning, ensure you get the sexual references in there next if you want my advice.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)My vote or non-vote is secret.
I can tell you it will not be for her or Trump
I am always sure to vote and will of course vote down ballot
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Colorado, Idaho, Wisconsin, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, Texas, and now Tennessee have some form of campus carry. After tomorrow, we may be able to add Georgia to the list. The goal is all 50, and all 50 should have constitutional carry (Vermont carry) - no permit required. The 2A is the only permit one needs.
Most states essentially allow guns everywhere, prohibiting adults to carry on college campuses doesn't make sense. If guns are carried at the gas station, the grocery store, and dozens of other places...what makes college campuses special? Nothing. Homicidal nuts and criminals are going to carry anyway. Gun free zones just enable rampage killers.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)The issue more than anything would be that a random person at those places doesn't need to carry gun with them.
Unless that person is a gun nut paranoid loser. That's obsessed with guns. A gun culture.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Is not a random person or a trained and licensed concealed permit holder.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Hahaha nice try.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)A criminal can do that today, they tend not to obey the laes. Silly me, I thought we were discussing the law passed in the OP.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)I'm not paranoid, not a loser, and I'm well trained in use of my firearms and a certified instructor in multiple states.
I take classes after work. Right now the law says I have to leave my pistol in my car on campus, so I do. Big that's foolish because the campus is known to have had strings to break-ins to vehicles on campus with things stolen. Some of my classmates know what I do for a living and it wouldn't be hard for someone I had a class with or a friend to assume the can steal a gun from my car.
Concealed on my person I know that won't happen.
The gun is at fat more risk of being taken and misused because the law says I have to leave it locked in a car out in a big, unguarded parking lot.
LMAO!!!!
Skittles
(153,169 posts)petronius
(26,602 posts)the same way as it applies off campus. And this law still contains restrictions, as well as only applying to staff and faculty...
The law, which allows faculty and staff with state-issued handgun carry permits to carry, is more limited than a bill that Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal must decide on by Tuesday. That measure would allow anyone age 21 and up to carry a concealed handgun on campus with the proper permit.
The Tennessee law, which takes effect on July 1, will keep gun bans in place for stadiums or gymnasiums while school-sponsored events are in progress; meetings where disciplinary or tenure issues are being discussed; hospitals or offices where medical or mental health services are provided; and any location prohibited by another law, such as at day care centers or elementary schools located on campus.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/guns-campus-bill-law-haslam-signature-38825009
braddy
(3,585 posts)applies to staff and faculty. "A bill allowing staff and faculty at Tennessee's public colleges and universities to be armed on campus became law Monday"
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Sometimes as a statewide policy, sometimes left up to individual schools. Is anyone aware of any shooting that resulted from such a policy? I've never heard of one.
stone space
(6,498 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Someone accidentally shot themselves. I should have been more specific - any evidence that someone shot another person in anger because of campus carry? Anywhere in any state?
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Baylor, TCU, SMU plus the smaller private schools.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Same as any business if they post the correct signage
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Last edited Mon May 2, 2016, 10:04 PM - Edit history (1)
check out these Texas gun humpers
http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/two-women-shot-outside-walgreens-in-arlington/164716355
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Roscoe Diner Roscoe?
Route 17 Roscoe?
Or another Roscoe?
braddy
(3,585 posts)soldier, he shot and wounded the woman, and an ex marine tried to stop him from fleeing, and was killed.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)a guy shoots his wife in a domestic dispute, and another guy gets gunned down after retrieving his own gun from his car to stop the shooter
braddy
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Skittles
(153,169 posts)Last edited Tue May 3, 2016, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)
it's a good thing others were not killed in the subsequent shootout
two families utterly destroyed, and for WHAT? An argument over a FACEBOOK PICTURE
http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/arguement-over-facebook-picture-led-to-good-samaritans-death/167297973
braddy
(3,585 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)Last edited Mon May 2, 2016, 10:40 PM - Edit history (1)
house, senate, governor....republicans rule and they are cramming it down our throats
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,841 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)They're saying the same thing and come off with republican statements. They pretend to be democrats, but once they open their mouths it game over. I'm having to repeat over and over. Because they're obsessed and bit looney and sound like palin/trump supporters.
You can sometimes tell paranoid loser gun nut republican, they're obsessed with having a gun culture.
Gun culture brought to you by the republican party and nra.
romanic
(2,841 posts)but not in schools or universities that are prone to mass-shootings.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Just how many of those have there been? Do tell please