It IS About Race.

[kpete]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/22/economic-anxiety-and-racial-anxiety-two-separate-forces-driving-support-for-donald-trump/

[Blue Meany]

1. Yeah, but here's the dilemna, the Dem Party held on to

African-Americans in the 1990s and later largely by giving lipservice to their concerns and needs. To be sure, no program or legislation is going to eliminate racial prejudice, but the institutional racism that has led to mass disenfranchisement, unemployment and imprisonment of black could have been addressed un a number of ways, if it had been a priority.

While blacks have been largely pandered to rather than served by the Democratic Party, the white working class has been largely ignored and allow to drift over to the Republican side, where they are pandered to by blaming minorities for their plight.

Both parties are complicit in narrowing the contested issues to social issues, with only slight differences on economic issues or foreign affairs. To win back the white working class, and become a majority party again, we have to give them something to vote for. They already have a party to pander to them, so it will take some actual programs and actions to do that. We will need policies that generate jobs that can support families, and we will need to have a message of unity akin to those of multi-racial unions of the past, if we are to become a majority party again.

[Wellstone ruled]

2. And the Rethugs just turned the tables

on the Dems and their failure to really do meaningful societal Changes.

[hfojvt]

3. some certainly never seem to tire of making that claim

This "study" does not seem to answer the question though - what percentage of Trump supporters actually fall in that category?

Although in this case, what is our complaint?

After Obama won there were a number of threads here with the basic theme "ha, ha, whites lost". And before and after that there have been many, many threads about how whites are going to, or are "losing their position as the majority in this country."

So if these people strongly feel that whites are losing, are we now going to say they are WRONG for feeling that way? That feeling that way makes them racists? Then what about the people on our side who feel that way?

Is it wrong for a white person to vote for a candidate that they feel will help white people? Then is it also wrong for a Hispanic to vote for a candidate that they feel will help Hispanics?

Personally I objected from the beginning to this whole frame of "white people lost" with the election of Obama. For the simple fact that, a majority of the people who voted for Obama - were white people. The same is likely to be true for Hillary.

My question for the people who are seeing a Democratic win as a loss for white people, is, why are white people voting against their self interest?

[Igel]

4. Is there really a nice, well-defined cohort involved?

Or do we just generalize that all whites are the same--those who are poor, uneducated, working class; those who are middle-class and educated; males and females; those who are 30 and those who are 70?

It's a nice broad brush.

(On the other hand, look at the pride that we have in having Af-Am and Latino support that is, for many, based on racial issues. If you average that kind of support, it makes all Af-Am and Latino (D) voters support (D) candidates on racial grounds. That is an injustice, and while it fails to meet the definition of the intellectual 2% for "racism," it meets the definition most English-speakers use who are too stupid to actually speak the language like their betters say we must.)