The stuff they're finding in the water near that Egyptair crash is not burned

[malaise]

Looking more mechanical by the moment

[Iggo]

1. That'd leave certain people very disappointed. (n/t)

[malaise]

3. Yep that Scamp Don the Con

wrong as always

[MissDeeds]

32. Yeah, and if he was the prez

he'd already have bombed some country into dust by now; wrongly, of course, but at least he would have taken quick and decisive action.

[tecelote]

29. Hillary Clinton Says EgyptAir Crash Seems Like An ‘Act Of Terrorism’

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-egyptair-terrorism_us_573dfd45e4b0646cbeec6d9e

This is from a few days ago but I find it interesting that she jumps to this conclusion so quickly. Agenda maybe?

[leftofcool]

34. "seems like" which is exactly what the Egyptian authorities said.

What's your agenda?

[Logical]

37. She was stupid to say it so early. And you know it. She is trying to sound tough.

[yellowcanine]

2. If it was mechanical.....

Trump will still say it was terra so he can dance on the graves.

[malaise]

4. He'll still be wrong

[LiberalElite]

16. and it still won't matter to

his knuckledragging fans

[Hoyt]

5. Those warmongers are always looking for an excuse to bomb someone.

[malaise]

6. You nailed it

The corporate media so want it to be terror

The should investigate the Cubana bombing from 1976 - they never mention that one.

[sorefeet]

7. I really hope it was mechanical

I hope Trump has to eat his words.

[malaise]

8. Trump doesn't remember his words

and no one calls him on his lies

[sorefeet]

9. Yer right malaise

if they did call him on a lie it would be a first. What was I thinkin.

[Major Nikon]

10. Smoke in the cockpit is one possibility out of many

Even a small fire can overwhelm the inside of a cockpit in short order. Airline pilots are trained for such occurrences and they have oxygen masks they can don in seconds, but if they are dealing with other situations as a result of the fire it could create problems that would be difficult to deal with.

I declared an emergency once due to smoke in the cockpit. Fortunately it was minor and I had just taken off and was able to return quickly, but it's definitely something that gets your attention very quickly.

[malaise]

11. Heard a pilot say the same thing

Scary stuff - looks like several things happened and quickly. Hope the end was quick for everyone - not my idea of a nice death.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. Did it say the plane swerved?

why would that be? Was there something wrong in the steering or was it trying to avoid something?

[Roland99]

27. 90degrees left then 360degrees right

Probably from losing control and then starting to spiral downward.

[Major Nikon]

35. Lots of things can happen in a loss of control situation

Combinations of multiple stalls and a spin could explain much of it.

An airliner at altitude is typically operating in the extent of the flight envelope by which a narrow band of airspeed must be maintained. The higher the altitude, the narrower the band gets.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. You wouldn't expect the entire plane to be on fire that quickly

The automatic messages do point to fire harming the electronics; and 'mechanical' (meaning an explosion that tore the plane apart, I presume) wouldn't give 2 minutes of messages before complete failure.

[malaise]

13. Sounds like an electrical fire

but we'll soon know the truth

[JimDandy]

14. No terrorism? So, Hillary Clinton's calls it wrong again.

So qualified to make that call...

[Person 2713]

15. That both presumed candidates immediately went 'there'with this tragedy makes me miss Obama already

I don't believe Sanders did at least

[LiberalElite]

17. me too nt

[malaise]

19. They went there with glee

It's amazing how many folks want it to be terror

[JimDandy]

21. No Sanders did not. Clinton, a former SOS, used poor judgement when she made that call,

whether it ever proves true or not.

[MissDeeds]

33. That both 'presumptive' nominees went there so quickly

concerns me greatly. Facts are always preferable to knee-jerk reactions.

[Roland99]

18. Apparently was a fire started in the forward lav (near the cockpit)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/investigators-smoke-detected-on-egypt-jet-just-before-crash/ar-BBtiI0M?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Barthe's disclosure of smoke detection aboard the flight followed a report by an industry publication that sensors detected smoke in a lavatory, suggesting a fire started onboard before the aircraft went down.

The publication cited information transmitted through the plane's Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS, which transmits data from the plane to the ground in the form of a series of messages. Those messages showed that smoke was detected in the plane's lavatory near the cockpit, according to the report.

but, what *I* find most interesting is the complete silence and lack of claims by various (or *any*) terrorist group, esp. ISIS

Wouldn't they be clamoring to make it known they had done it, if they did??

[malaise]

22. Yes the silence appears to be the surest sign

that it's not terrorism

[Lee-Lee]

38. Or at least not a planned attack by a group

There still is the possibility of a lone wolf type acting on his own.

[Kingofalldems]

20. Even if it is found to be mechanical--Trump and his pals

will still say it was terrorists.

[JimDandy]

23. Both Clinton and Trump have already called it an act of terrorism.

Trump is a buffoon, but Clinton, a former SOS, should have known better than to call it that.

[Kingofalldems]

24. Except she won't scream it was terrorism after proven not to be.

* Still could very well be terrorism though.

[JimDandy]

28. Look what happened in NV. Not a bit of evidence

that there was any violence and still her campaign continued to make that claim. She probably will walk back this terrorism claim, if proven false, though, as it will be more important to her to not disparage others on the international stage, than it was to not excoriate Sanders, a political opponent, and his supporters on the national stage with a false claim.

[Albertoo]

25. The fact the remains were not burnt gives little indication on the cause

Some form of fire was the cause of the crash. The fire alarms went on near the cockpit. It could be accidental (short circuit) or intentional (some form of chemical lit).

The fact the remains found are not burnt just shows the cockpit fire must have caused the disintegration of the plane without triggering huge ball of fire. Nothing more.

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. One of the first reported indicators of problems with with the seal on a window in the cockpit.

In less than three minutes power to the control console was lost.
Something catastrophic happened, but it wasn't instant.

[malaise]

31. Yep it sure was catastrophicn/t

[el dufus]

36. I'm not exactly a Hillary fan,, but,,

it looked like terrorism to me also. I will give the both of them a pass until this is sorted out, by recovering the ''black box''. [ actually orange ] It could easily be a small, carefully placed bomb of some sort, by knowledgeable people , to cause a fire and loss of control. Remember-- a ''soda can'' bomb brought down the Russian airliner. IF----- a terrorist group did do this--- why have they not basked in the ''glory''?