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applegrove

(118,696 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:58 PM May 2016

Soon It Will Suck to Be Donald Trump

Soon It Will Suck to Be Donald Trump

by Ed Kilgore at NY Magazine

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/soon-it-will-suck-to-be-donald-trump.html#

"SNIP..............


Throughout the pre-primary and primary phases of the GOP presidential-nominating process, Trump had a bunch of advantages he will soon lose. He was a novice pol who was regularly defying expectations amidst almost universal predictions of failure. He was the dominant media object in a very crowded field of opponents. He had the strategic flexibility associated with doing relatively well in every region of the country and among every major category of Republican voter. He was independent of any sizable bloc of endorsers, donors, or surrogates, operating from his own tight-knit personal army. He was functioning within a Republican Party dominated by the older white voters that were his principal base, and where the minority voters he so deeply offends were rare and insignificant presences.

Now he is about to become the Titular Head of the Republican Party, with presumed responsibility for a big, divided and (at the moment) fearful coalition of down-ballot candidates and allied constituency and interest groups. Even if he minimizes the value of party support, he'll have to deal with constant advice and admonitions from party officials, many of whom not-so-secretly would prefer that he lose and leave them to inherit the GOP. He's already beginning to hustle money to finance his campaign.

Given the binary nature of general elections, he can no longer count on the kind of huge margins in media coverage he enjoyed when it was 16 Lilliputians trying to overcome the orange-haired Gulliver. For that matter, in Hillary Clinton he will finally face an opponent as well known as he is. He will not be able to run a national campaign that divides and conquers a scattered and regionally dependent opposition. He'll be fighting Clinton one-on-one in the same fixed set of battlefield states. Instead of dealing with an electorate where he can find support all across demographic groups, Trump will be beginning in a deep, deep hole with African-Americans, Latinos, and professional women, with sure support only from groups like non-college-educated conservative white men, which any Republican can and must carry by huge margins.

At key moments in the campaign like the debates, Trump will no longer be addressing an audience that inherently hates "political correctness" and thus has a high tolerance for borderline racist and sexist rhetoric and insult-comedy. And Clinton and her allies will be able deploy their massive oppo-research files on Trump in a consistent, relentless manner very much unlike the occasional, clumsy, and halfhearted Trump-bashing undertaken by his primary opponents and the mainstream media. After all, it's not like Democrats need to treat him with kid gloves because they'll need to appeal to his core supporters down the road.



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Soon It Will Suck to Be Donald Trump (Original Post) applegrove May 2016 OP
It will be vicious on both sides. oldandhappy May 2016 #1
I agree. I'm just glad I'm on drugs for ptsd. Gives me a tougher applegrove May 2016 #6
Probably Mexico and Canada will need walls to keep fleeing Americans out if a RKP5637 May 2016 #29
I don't have anything I need to take meds for, but I DO have Canadian citizenship! So Nay May 2016 #35
I don't see how it will suck to be Trump Kelvin Mace May 2016 #2
GOP and BoBs will WhiteTara May 2016 #4
The media doesn't hold.. sendero May 2016 #25
The media focuses on $$$$$'s. Anything else takes a backseat unless it promotes RKP5637 May 2016 #26
Exactly.. sendero May 2016 #27
By any account Trump should not have made it this far. gordianot May 2016 #3
Precisely Sherman A1 May 2016 #17
The thing is there are 30 years of opposition research Egnever May 2016 #18
very good article. thanks applegrove. love Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #5
I can't imagine... ReRe May 2016 #7
Do you not remember the Bush Jr. years? Crash2Parties May 2016 #12
Oh, yes, I remember those years... ReRe May 2016 #13
Yep, and he got voted in twice. There is certainly IMO a good chance Trump could win 2016. The US RKP5637 May 2016 #28
I predict... mockmonkey May 2016 #34
That would be a total riot! ReRe May 2016 #38
I don't know. herding cats May 2016 #8
That was his end game all along Egnever May 2016 #19
Yep, the republican party is being used and the GOP is too stupid to get what's going on. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #30
I'm not surprised to hear this. herding cats May 2016 #39
getting beat by a woman would completely trash that "accomplishment" Skittles May 2016 #22
Only with his voters, really. herding cats May 2016 #40
the man is an extreme narcissistic bully Skittles May 2016 #41
Not if the "Bernie or Bust" types make good on their threats Brother Joe Observes May 2016 #9
Sadly, some of those BOBs are paid GOP trolls here to lure real applegrove May 2016 #11
It could be Hillary trolls just as well... ReRe May 2016 #15
Anyone who says they will not vote for either Democrat should be banned Democat May 2016 #24
Thanks for explaining! ;-) n/t ReRe May 2016 #37
Then they weren't Bernie people sorefeet May 2016 #36
anyone 100% behind any politician is a fucking idiot Skittles May 2016 #23
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #31
We need to make sure this is a disaster for the GOP ffr May 2016 #10
Yes! ReRe May 2016 #16
Are the Evangelicals and the repub party people really going to defend him? Hope so!! MasonDreams May 2016 #14
Agreed Can't wait to see preachers on the pulpit advocating for him Egnever May 2016 #21
Evangelicals are weak IMO and easily led by the nose. They will do whatever they are RKP5637 May 2016 #32
Being a candidate is easy. being a successful cadidate is very hard work. I'm not sure trumpo TeamPooka May 2016 #20
Rick Scott zipplewrath May 2016 #33

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
6. I agree. I'm just glad I'm on drugs for ptsd. Gives me a tougher
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:49 PM
May 2016

emotional baseline. That and the distance I get being Canadian. I would say that the good fight does allow for growth at the end of it. That little regular things don't bother you so much after being through a trauma. So fight fight fight we must.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
29. Probably Mexico and Canada will need walls to keep fleeing Americans out if a
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:55 AM
May 2016

Trump win 2016. I really fear for the future of the US.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
35. I don't have anything I need to take meds for, but I DO have Canadian citizenship! So
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:56 AM
May 2016

I may be moving this November!

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
2. I don't see how it will suck to be Trump
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

The GOP is falling in line behind him and the media doesn't hold him accountable because they want him as president since he will be incredible for ratings.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
4. GOP and BoBs will
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:19 PM
May 2016

fall in line behind him to defeat Hillary. It will be an ugly ugly election. I hope we all survive.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
25. The media doesn't hold..
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:40 AM
May 2016

... any politician accountable and hasn't for a very long time.

It wouldn't matter if they did, the electorate has already proven they don't care about any of the "years ago he said" or "not exactly factual" type gotchas, folks have given up on the fourth estate and rightly so.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
26. The media focuses on $$$$$'s. Anything else takes a backseat unless it promotes
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:46 AM
May 2016

revenue. And investigative reporting ... not even in today's media playbook. Now, it's just tabloid journalism filled with lies and distortions.

gordianot

(15,240 posts)
3. By any account Trump should not have made it this far.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:12 PM
May 2016

There is 30 years of opposition research on Hillary Clinton. Both political parties will run the least liked candidates in American history. Right now it sucks to be an American voter.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
17. Precisely
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:08 AM
May 2016

It does indeed suck to be the American Voter and I suspect unfortunately many simply will not bother to participate after the upcoming media presented scream fest that is about to be pushed upon us.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
18. The thing is there are 30 years of opposition research
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:20 AM
May 2016

It has all been touted out before. None of it new.

Trump on the other hand has made it easy. Because he is who he is and has been for the same 30 years and very little of it has been brought up before. Yet he has been quite public throughout those same 30 years. Reams of trump being trump and it is about to all come back to haunt him.

The only reason people didn't think Trump would make it this far is because they didn't understand how terribly flawed the republican party is. How years of dog whistles have taken their toll on a party whose base thinks xenophobia is perfectly natural, how they have learned to hate. It should have been obvious with the tea party take over but they and many others refused to believe it. The tea party isn't racist...

So Trump exposed what many knew all along. The republican party has been relying on racism for votes for a long time. Something they have been accused of and denied but it has been shown with Trump how pervasive it is.

It may be a wake up call for the Republican party but his win is not really surprising in the context of the Republican party. It was "Baked in" As Lindsay Graham of all people put it.

That 30 years of Opo reearch has taken its toll on Hillary to be sure but it has also done something else it has made her numbers stable. If you look at this primary and the last one her negative/positive remains almost constant throughout. Trump has no such stability to look forward to.

Going forward to win the GE Trump will have to pull off a herculean task and he will have to do it in the face of a near constant stream of advertisements full of footage of him acting like an ass.

Most voters believe Clinton (63 percent), Sanders (58 percent), and Cruz (55 percent) have the “knowledge” to serve effectively, according to a new Fox News national poll. In contrast, 60 percent say Trump doesn’t.

In addition, most feel Sanders (68 percent), Clinton (62 percent), and Cruz (61 percent) have the “temperament” to serve, while most think Trump does not (65 percent).

“Clinton’s advantages over Trump on knowledge and temperament are striking,” comments Democratic pollster Chris Anderson, who conducts the Fox News Poll with Republican pollster Daron Shaw. “That could provide a very good foundation for a general election campaign.”


Those numbers are devastating for Trump and will be difficult if not impossible for him to turn around in the face of footage of him treating women like objects and disparaging minorities and all of the rest of his repulsive behavior. Yes a portion of the republican base will revel in it. That portion though large enough inside the republican party to get him through a divided primary, is not nearly large enough to carry a general. To win that he will need a lot of help.

The republican party already had a disadvantage demographically that has been growing and continues to grow mostly because of their past penchant for dog whistle politics. Trump is not doing anything to help that he is almost purposefully making it worse.

Yea it works in a party chock full of bigoted assholes but that is not the general election.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. very good article. thanks applegrove. love
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

The term vainglorious..never heard it before. Wondering...how does a party actually do it...abandon their nominee to save down ticket?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
7. I can't imagine...
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

... what to expect out of Trump, except the same old song he's given everyone up till now. Can you imagine Trump with in a serious, pondering mood when the Press asks their questions? Can you imagine Trump actually appearing to think? Trump without that obnoxious smirky sneer on his pace? Trump actually being serious about anything? I say he will never make it that far. Trump is NOT going to be our next President.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
12. Do you not remember the Bush Jr. years?
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:33 AM
May 2016

He acted as though everything was some fraternity prank that he found amusing even if he didn't really understand what was going on.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
13. Oh, yes, I remember those years...
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:39 AM
May 2016

... George and all his "Bushisms." This country cannot take that kind of President again.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
28. Yep, and he got voted in twice. There is certainly IMO a good chance Trump could win 2016. The US
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:50 AM
May 2016

is often void of critical thinking. Many have said no chance for Trump since he first appeared as a presidential candidate, and look where he is now. FFS, the US is in deep sh**.

mockmonkey

(2,820 posts)
34. I predict...
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:44 AM
May 2016

Trump will make Sarah Palin his Press Secretary so she can answer for him to the Press.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
8. I don't know.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:31 AM
May 2016

Even if he loses it's still a big accomplishment. HUGE even. 😣

Seriously, better men than him have tried and failed at this. He's been elevated to far better company than he deserves, or previously shared.

Meanwhile, he's tried and failed at so many ventures, of which this is really just one more for him. I don't think he's going to do anything other than come out of this as a winner. He's expanded his bran, and he may actually be president.

Imagine the clout the Trump brand will have if he wins? Or, even if he fails for that matter.

That's the end game here. Trump is gonna win big either way. In many ways, he already has.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
19. That was his end game all along
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:25 AM
May 2016

One of his head staffers came out and admitted it. He got in this for the publicity and found a welcoming bunch of Xenophobes inside the republican party. Nothing really huge about what he did. The Republican party was ripe for this.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
39. I'm not surprised to hear this.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:14 AM
May 2016

He's in it for the publicity at first, which was my first impression, and then he got actual leverage within the broken Republican Party, and ran with it.

Now he has an actual chance at being POTUS. Which is terrifying, needless to say.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
40. Only with his voters, really.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:21 AM
May 2016

Who don't really represent the people who buy into, or patronize his brand.

I mean, most of his supporters don't golf at his elite Trump brand destinations, right? They're just suckers believing the line of crap he's selling them, while he markets an entirely different line of crap to his ilk.

 
9. Not if the "Bernie or Bust" types make good on their threats
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:39 AM
May 2016

And yes, they are threats, because Trump is a threat to our survival.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
15. It could be Hillary trolls just as well...
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:47 AM
May 2016

... if things like this can't be investigated, then we don't know WHO is stirring the pot, do we? I don't even know what the hell a "Bernie or Bust" person is. Explain one of those guys to me so I will recognize him/her as I come upon them here on DU. Thanks.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
24. Anyone who says they will not vote for either Democrat should be banned
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:29 AM
May 2016

And bashing either Sanders or Clinton outside of the Primaries forum should be a banning offense.

That would stop almost all of the pro-Trump trolls at DU.

The admins could do it today if they actually cared.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
36. Then they weren't Bernie people
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:01 AM
May 2016

in the first place. You could never get a true lefty to vote for Trump. It's water and oil, they don't mix.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
10. We need to make sure this is a disaster for the GOP
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:58 AM
May 2016

on a scale yet seen. This election needs to be a democratic landslide.

Sweep every GOP candidate out of office. That should be the goal.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
14. Are the Evangelicals and the repub party people really going to defend him? Hope so!!
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:45 AM
May 2016

He is a money Worshiper with Organized crime ties. He says out loud that he tries not to have to pay Taxes.
The more they support him, the more they'll be destroying themselves. It's just too good to be true!!!
Go ahead, make my day, get behind that gambler thief greed monster who hates women, and more than a few
other groups of regular folks. The Biggest Loser is gonna take you with him.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
21. Agreed Can't wait to see preachers on the pulpit advocating for him
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:28 AM
May 2016

They have done it in the past for the Republicans it's going to be wild to watch it this time around. My bet many of them wont and the gymnastics the ones that do will have to go through to do it will be quite the spectacle.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
32. Evangelicals are weak IMO and easily led by the nose. They will do whatever they are
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:03 AM
May 2016

commanded to do. Trump is an authoritarian figure, they seem to love that. They will fall right in line with him IMO, especially as he selects his cohorts and tosses in some ultra-religious types.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
20. Being a candidate is easy. being a successful cadidate is very hard work. I'm not sure trumpo
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:27 AM
May 2016

realizes how much work it is to raise money and suck up for favors from real politicians.
being a politician is a sucky ass job and now he's one of them.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
33. Rick Scott
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:31 AM
May 2016

I've literally lived through this. The GOP voters will elect a chimp if it has an "R" after it's name. I've watched them vote this decades. My fear is that the "Reagan democrats" will leave us and vote for Trump. The whole DLC approach will end up costing us this election cycle.

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