Again with the PsyOps. "Optimism"? Is that the new Hope and Change?

[Phlem]

Why using facts and sense has become uncool.

So now cherry picking data to show using fucking "Optimism", is going to take all the bad away?

More woo?

Maybe people complain because other people don't take the time to process data logically and systematically and instead, fall back on woo?

Maybe people complain because it is truly bad for people out there but it's better to sing kumbaya than actually address the issue frankly.
My brother and sister had to move back home with my mother because they couldn't find jobs to support them, so my mom who relies on a single soc. sec. check has to pinch even more.

Amazing that the media tells us the opposite:
http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/23/news/economy/us-full-employment-williams/index.html

So what's next?

We need the TTP, TTIP, for even more wonderful, beautiful, so happy your shitting rainbows employment?

The 2 most disliked presidential hopefuls are our only pick?

I'm so confused as to which to pick now. Optimism, Hope and Change, Burying my head in the sand? .....what to pick, choices, choices.

What's with the deluge of false logic this monday? It's everywhere.

[JimDandy]

1. I just made a similar post along this line about the lack of careful reading, data analysis, & souce

checking lately among Hillary supporters. It's tiring to keep encountering these barriers to communication over and over.

[Phlem]

3. Thank you. I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

I didn't spend much time this morning but I was starting to see woo everywhere.

Keep on keepin on Jim Dandy.

[TwilightZone]

9. Fox News, the Blaze, National Review, FACT, libertarian blogs, and the Trump campaign

have all been used as "legit" sources by Sanders supporters in just the past few days.

I wouldn't be too quick to criticize Clinton supporters for their choice of sources....

[Andy823]

46. Rule 3948 says

You can't use facts to point out any wrong doing by Bernie bros. They go by their own rules. Kind of like this post in General Discussion instead of over on the DUP board where it belongs.

[TheBlackAdder]

21. As the economy rebounds, the Fed will adjust interest rates to keep the non-affluent in check.

[Phlem]

24. I'm guessing this is sarcasm.

Some people might not get that, because that's what offshore accounts are for.

[JimDandy]

25. Okay, THAT was funny.

Wish there were a lot more funny posts around. This campaign season sure seems more grueling to me than others.

[dchill]

29. The truth is often funny...

Even more often it's a kick in the face. The perfect combo - the funny kick in the face. I live for those.

[Trajan]

2. I love the optimism that Bernie engenders ...

Because it's based on actually HELPING the lower and middle classes, not merely mouthing the word for political expediency ...

[Phlem]

5. Exactly.

Simple, direct, concise.

[Optimism]

15. Amen!

Bernie is the real deal ... he walks the walk. The best politician I've had the privilege of voting for in my entire life. (Only to have Washington States super delegates dilute that vote immensely.)

Thinking of a Sanders presidency, I'm filled with optimism!

Hey now ... that's my name!

[dchill]

30. +1

[liberal_at_heart]

4. K&R

[onecaliberal]

6. None of the above.

[LuvLoogie]

7. Rather than fix the world, why don't you give your Mom a break, and

Take in your Brother and Sister.

[polly7]

8. What a heartless post.

Millions all around the world are living with this same situation. The difference between those with vast wealth and those just not making it has never been greater. Yet your solution is to take care of your own. With what?? When jobs are being sent overseas, trade deals are cutting manufacturing and other employment, social programs are being cut back - how exactly are people supposed to make it, when all profits are siphoned upwards towards the corporations causing this?

[LuvLoogie]

11. Does Phlem have a job? Does he earn more than his Mom's SS?

That's a legitimate question when assessing options. Families help each other. Rather than being immobilized by the injustice of the world, do what you can. It's not heartless. He should help his Mom out.

[polly7]

13. No, it's an ugly, personal and stupid question. Have you not read of all those

millions who actually need political change to even have a chance of making it?

Best for each one of those millions to depend on a family member though, who may or may not be suffering just as much. Republicans and conservatives who hate any social programs (yet drive on the roads and use all those other gov't benefits) believe just as you do.

[LuvLoogie]

28. Have his Brother and Sister applied for unemployment? Do they qualify for other government help?

What state are they in? I'm trying to help. Phlem doesn't have to answer me. He can go talk to a social worker. They'll have the most accurate answer and path to resources that he and his family may not be aware of.

[Phlem]

19. No I don't have a job. I've been contracting here and there Since NAFTA.

My job went overseas and try and prove age discrimination in the game industry. There are cheaper artists in other countries with a much, much lower cost of living. Sorry to burst your world view but I need to focus on my wife and child right now.

Your a fucking train wreck.

PS and don't give me that shit about "but NAFTA was about Mexico bullshit" outsourcing went boom at the same time.

What an ugly person you are.

[LuvLoogie]

27. NAFTA was signed in 1994. 2016 is nearly half over. Good Luck. And I mean that with all sincerity

[frylock]

31. Bless your heart.

[Phlem]

39. Ignorance must be bliss.

Mexico didn't affect me, fucking outsourcing did. It's my fucking reply, read it.

[LuvLoogie]

44. You mentioned NAFTA as being contemporaneous with your sporadic

employment in your chosen field. Whether your outsourcing was due to NAFTA or some other codified tax structure, isn't the point.

[zalinda]

33. Those that have theirs have no idea what is going on in the real world.

Reminds me of the thin people who rag on fat people and tell them to just go on a diet. If diets worked there wouldn't be a 20 billion dollar diet industry out there and people who still gain weight. Even 'The Biggest Loser' is apparently a scam.

Those that have it easy or got lucky, will always think that they really worked to where they are and the rest who are suffering just didn't work hard enough.

Z

[LuvLoogie]

40. People who come through hard times, tend to be pretty thankful of a variety of things...

Family, friends, government assistance, small loans, baby-sitting, a bag of groceries, preserverance, luck etc.


People who seem to never be able to get through the bad times, and only have bad luck, often blame everyone but themselves.

Addicts are like that. But even their recovery requires their participation.

[Phlem]

41. Wow. Raising the bar on Stupidity.

You have no idea of my situation yet your comments seem to have me all figured out. Did you know I was born on a dirt floor in the Philippines?

I'm sure you also know that I saved to put myself through college and was "pretty thankful" till said "better job" shipped was overseas cause CEO's need bigger bonuses.

your a serious piece of work and sound like a genuine Republican, kind of like the asshole I grew up with.

Whoever say's the party hasn't moved to the right really needs to read your posts.

Just fucking disgusting.

[LuvLoogie]

48. So you find work doing what you want to do from time to time. How do you afford health insurance

as a freelancer? I know I couldn't. I applied for medicaid. Now I have health insurance through work.

Are you talking about your Dad, btw?

[passiveporcupine]

34. There are so many things you don't know about his situation

or his Mom's, yet you make a typical Hillary type response to his comment.

What if his Mom's house is big enough to house more people (empty nest), and his is a small place already filled to the max (he may have his own family to feed and house right now). You don't know.

What if he is helping financially. You don't know.

what if Phlem is under-employed and struggling himself. You don't know.

What if he lives in a place that is too far from potential "jobs" for his siblings?

What if he lives in a different state? It costs money to move.

You just assume he's letting his Mom handle this whole load, for no good reason. Come on Phlem, where are those bootstraps?

Damn republican thinking and blaming anyway.

[LuvLoogie]

36. Like I said. He can go talk to a social worker and get advice and strategies to help his family.

He just told us he's been doing odd jobs for the last twenty years, so I get that he would not be of much financial help to his Mom and siblings. He could start asking around about what is available for them.

He can tell me what state they're in, their ages, their skill set and I'll send him some links. Maybe even some phone numbers.

[Phlem]

43. Unfucking believable.

I'm not well off. I'm also not fucking stupid.

see: this fucking OP

You don't think I've tried everything at my disposal.

I don't want anything from the likes of you, you dug your hole, lay in it.

I never said we were on the streets, I said she's trying to live on one Soc Sec. Check.

The other two are working fast food and helping with everything they can.

It was example in contrast to the bullshit being reported today.

Does that make everything better for you? I'm glad.

A fast food salary does not create a decent life, especially since Cost of Living is not being factored into pay anymore, you get that right?

Oh but you knew all that anyway.

[LuvLoogie]

49. So your sibs are working and pitching in. That's not what you said in your OP.

"My brother and sister had to move back home with my mother because they couldn't find jobs to support them, so my mom who relies on a single soc. sec. check has to pinch even more."

It sounds like they're doing what they have to do in the moment.

I just can't see how your situation is very different from most immigrants in boom or bust.

[RoseMead]

10. What a shitty thing to say

to another human being.

[LuvLoogie]

12. Why is it shitty? Phlem knows I'm right. It's logical.

[polly7]

14. It's freeperthink. nt.

[LuvLoogie]

16. Pooling resources to help the family collective is freeperthink?!

[Laser102]

17. In that case I, and everyone in my family are freepers. We help each other.

[Phlem]

20. Actually your fucking clueless.

So just because I'm not starving and on the streets I've got it covered? That's all freep thinking, they're fucking famous for it.

[LuvLoogie]

32. No. But, you're telling people that you are not living large as a CGI artist in the gaming industry

because of NAFTA.

[Phlem]

37. Clueless again.

try reading my response this time. Anymore babble from you and your gone.

[Politicub]

18. Psyop? The word optimism?

I think it's just a word. I don't believe it means more than its meaning.

Obama delivered on his promise of hope and change. He didn't get everything done he wanted to accomplish, but there's a whole lot of good that came from his presidency.

A lot of people like (or love) Hillary. Just today I saw a man with a Hillary sticker on the back of his cell phone case. There's more support for her than there is for Bernie, if votes are any indication.

[Phlem]

22. I disagree.

"Obama delivered on his promise of hope and change. He didn't get everything done he wanted to accomplish, but there's a whole lot of good that came from his presidency."

The out and Hillary's out. The nation's health insurance was about undermine our economy at the time he took office. He had to do something else it would have been ugly on his watch. So we got kludged together GOP plan whose costs are climbing yet again every year.

He tried and still trying to ram through the TPP which is going so much awesomely better than NAFTA.

He's also self confessed "new Democrat" and I'm sorry but the Thirdway and Neo liberals have brought nothing but misery. They are the economic equivalent of Republicans.

Sorry there's too many holes in your response. I'm not into politics for fucking love.

I need to take care of my family.

[Politicub]

26. You are very into yourself it sounds like

Good luck to you and yours.

[zalinda]

35. Whenever I think a Hillary supporter can't go any lower, they prove me wrong. eom

[Phlem]

38. Sheer hypocrisy.

From the person you support and all the things you say.

[Phlem]

45. Hillary is pretty into herself too, check out the video, she's sooooooo daring and brave!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x109944

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/mar/25/hillary-clinton/video-shows-tarmac-welcome-no-snipers/

Total truth telling. Am I right?

[tom_kelly]

23. But, a "top" economist says

that "we're basically at full employment." so says the CNN headline. "Full employment" is a fluffy term that, in this case, is supposed to encourage "optimism."

I share your frustration!

[Phlem]

42. I know right?

We've got full employment!

Woohoo!

To bad no one can raise a family on $7.00 an hour, but yea we have full employment.

That statement itself is full on bullshit.

But people will eat it up.

[Odin2005]

47. The Establishment lives in la-la land, out of touch with the lives of the 99%.

A large % of the population still thinks the Great Recession hasn't ended because the economic growth isn't reaching them.