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"You have to be wealthy in order to be great, I'm sorry to say." - Donald Trump (Original Post) DetlefK May 2016 OP
Abraham Lincoln wasn't great, according to Trump BainsBane May 2016 #1
He is a delusional, ignorant moron cali May 2016 #2
They are not great to Trump malaise May 2016 #7
Einstein... TreasonousBastard May 2016 #9
Ike was inarguably a great man. Aristus May 2016 #10
Don't forget he just shit on everyone serving in the armed forces. Rex May 2016 #21
Good point cali May 2016 #22
Total Douche Canoe Separation May 2016 #3
Repeat it often to his loser followers malaise May 2016 #4
Actually, Isn't Being Great The Way Some People Became Wealthy? ProfessorGAC May 2016 #5
Greatness, has little to do with wealth cali May 2016 #11
I Think You Missed My Point, Cali ProfessorGAC May 2016 #18
Great as in screwing people over to make a dime? Great as in destroying the working class? Rex May 2016 #20
I think you're missing hers. kcr May 2016 #25
Resurrecting An Old Thread ProfessorGAC May 2016 #39
and he's a Christian Ghost of Tom Joad May 2016 #6
well donnie, you're living proof that it's not necessarily so spanone May 2016 #8
"Jesus is not great" is what he just said. mainer May 2016 #12
All you are is dust in the wind, Mr. Trump. When your time comes, all your money Zorra May 2016 #13
Gandhi (nt) Paladin May 2016 #14
Plus -- Malala Yousafzai kentauros May 2016 #37
The Worhtington Law: Guy Whitey Corngood May 2016 #15
My parents world wide wally May 2016 #16
Unfortunately there are a lot of people who have been duped to agree with him. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2016 #17
So all our military professionals are lousy people? Is that what The Don is saying? Rex May 2016 #19
A corollary in his world, Mendocino May 2016 #23
"You have to be wealthy in order Tsiyu May 2016 #24
it is indicative of his extreme insecurity Skittles May 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #27
But that is the very reason his followers love him. He is wealthy, so he is great. tonyt53 May 2016 #28
His supporters who are neither, agree with him. Actor May 2016 #29
"You have to inherit wealth in order to be great, I'm sorry to say..." d_legendary1 May 2016 #30
Link to quote BlueNoMatterWho May 2016 #31
Here... bluesbassman May 2016 #32
Thank you for the link! BlueNoMatterWho May 2016 #33
Yes, but it goes to his fundamental belief that wealth is the answer to everything. bluesbassman May 2016 #35
Well, in all fairness, he was talking about america frankieallen May 2016 #34
If you truly believed your comment, Don, you would find no need to be sorry about saying it. Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #36
Hmm Bigredhunk May 2016 #38
I'm not exactly sure what's worse . . . HughBeaumont May 2016 #40
Fuck this guy. a la izquierda May 2016 #41

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
1. Abraham Lincoln wasn't great, according to Trump
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

Nor Ghandi, MLK, Mandela, and a large number of figures considered great by many people, including historians.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. He is a delusional, ignorant moron
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

Gandhi
MLK
Merton
Lincoln
Thousands of artists and writers
Union organisers
And on and on



He is the opposite of great.

malaise

(269,020 posts)
7. They are not great to Trump
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

Believe that's his entire world view in one sentence. He actually believes that he is great - yes that racist, fascist, woman hating, low life, scam artist- lil dick, Don the Con is great.
He is a sick fuck!

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. Einstein...
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

And among Presidents, Grant was so down and out at one point that Mark Twain gave him some cash so he could eat and wrote that a nation that would treat so badly the man who saved it may not be worth saving.

I have no idea what Ike's net worth was, but the man who kicked Hitler's ass, and then worked for world peace casts a shadow that Trump is lost in.



Aristus

(66,380 posts)
10. Ike was inarguably a great man.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

But the Soviets kicked Hitler's ass. We were basically along for the ride.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. Don't forget he just shit on everyone serving in the armed forces.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:40 PM
May 2016

all the middle class and working class, everyone that is not a .01%. Trump is a plutocrats dream come true.

ProfessorGAC

(65,054 posts)
5. Actually, Isn't Being Great The Way Some People Became Wealthy?
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

So, it seems to be the exact opposite, in deference to some of the folks above who mentioned great people who weren't rich.

But, the greatest of athletes, or actors, or inventors, or doctors or lawyers become wealthy because they were great FIRST. So, Trump is completely wrong on this.

ProfessorGAC

(65,054 posts)
18. I Think You Missed My Point, Cali
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

Trump says you have to be wealthy to be great. Lots of lots of wealthy people became wealthy because they were already great at something. The greatness was the cause of the wealth, not the other way around.

I also said in deference to some who mentioned great people who were never wealthy. (Gandhi being the most obvious example, since he willfully eschewed material wealth.)

The point i was trying to make is that Trump is completely backward in that statement because many wealthy people were great before they were wealthy. It was the greatness that made them rich.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. Great as in screwing people over to make a dime? Great as in destroying the working class?
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:38 PM
May 2016

Your definition of great and mine are not the same, it appears.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
25. I think you're missing hers.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

Most great people never even come near wealth at all. Wealth and greatness have absolutely nothing to do with each other to begin with.

ProfessorGAC

(65,054 posts)
39. Resurrecting An Old Thread
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:36 AM
May 2016

No, now both of you missed the point. I never said they were related. You both made that up.

I said a lot of people become wealthy because they're great. I've said that 3 times now.

Trump says you have to be wealthy to be great. I say he is 100% wrong, because great athletes and great actors and great inventors got rich because they were great at something FIRST.

You have somehow mistaken my "Trump has it completely backwards" comment for support of what he said. I'm contradicting him!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
13. All you are is dust in the wind, Mr. Trump. When your time comes, all your money
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

won't buy you another minute.



If you think that what you own defines what you are, you are nothing.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
37. Plus -- Malala Yousafzai
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

Then again, trump likely doesn't consider anything related to peace as a sign of greatness.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
17. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who have been duped to agree with him.
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

One of the main reasons why Republicans often win is because they make Americans believe in this American Dream--that if you work hard enough, it is inevitable that you'll be rich. And so we've seen how high productivity is in America. And yet, few are rich. But we are a brainwashed society. Decades upon decades of conditioning has taught Americans that working oneself to death to get rich is the only way to greatness.

Trump is saying a lot of shit that he knows the average America will eat up.

The failure of us Democrats and progressives to understand this is what keeps us failing and losing elections at every level of government.

We've got to find a way to challenge this narrative effectively because nothing Trump says seems to hurt him at all.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
24. "You have to be wealthy in order
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

for my administration to actually do anything for you."

Fixed that for ya', Mr. Drumpf.



Response to DetlefK (Original post)

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. But that is the very reason his followers love him. He is wealthy, so he is great.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

They could care less, as long as he says "fence" every now and them right after he says "trust me".

Actor

(626 posts)
29. His supporters who are neither, agree with him.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

Nothing he says or does will hurt him with his supporters and many in the middle are being drawn to him because they keep hearing over and over about how they cant trust Hillary.

Sure, they know Trump is crazy and ludicrous, but for reasons they do not know or understand (that is how propaganda works) they know they dont like or trust Hillary.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
30. "You have to inherit wealth in order to be great, I'm sorry to say..."
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

*waves hand while talking*

"...and I might also add that in order to stay great we lobby Congress to protect our assets and change the rules in our favor. That my friends, is the reason why I'm up here mouthing off and you're down there cheering for me." -Donald Drumpf

*Crowd explodes in applause*

 

BlueNoMatterWho

(880 posts)
31. Link to quote
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

Does anyone have a link to the actual quote? I'm interested to see if he was referring to individuals or countries. Thanks!

 

BlueNoMatterWho

(880 posts)
33. Thank you for the link!
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

Here's the quote:

Trump said, “There is one more thing that we have to do to make America wealthy again, and you have to be wealthy in order to be great. I’m sorry to say it…..We’ll build the wall. We’re going to build the wall. Believe me. We’re going to build the wall.”

As I suspected he was referring to the country, not individuals.

bluesbassman

(19,373 posts)
35. Yes, but it goes to his fundamental belief that wealth is the answer to everything.
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

His followers will defend the statement as just being pragmatic, but the reality of Trump's view is that he only sees value in monetary wealth.

 

frankieallen

(583 posts)
34. Well, in all fairness, he was talking about america
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:16 PM
May 2016

Being wealthy, not the individual. I'm sure he believes that, but it's not what he said, it's pretty obvious.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
40. I'm not exactly sure what's worse . . .
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016

. . . that this asshammer has a sizable following or that this country has THAT many history-challenged dumbasses who are willing to toss it in the shitter so easily.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
41. Fuck this guy.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

I grew up lower middle class, worked my ass off to get a PhD, and just received word that I won a prestigious grant. I'm a humanities professor, not wealthy by a long shot, and am successful.
Fuck him in the ear.

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