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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"I saw the baby bison that tourists tried to rescue. Here’s what you don’t know about the story."
The orphaned calf in early May, days before tourists tried to rescue it. The calf remained near this spot, about 35 yards from the road, and soon it began approaching vehicles in the same area. (Deby Dixon)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2016/06/07/i-saw-the-baby-bison-that-tourists-tried-to-rescue-heres-what-you-dont-know-about-the-story/
Every year in Lamar Valley, we see bison calves by themselves, destined to perish. Their mothers might have died in childbirth, abandoned them or become separated during a river crossing. We watch as the calf runs from cow to cow, looking for its mother. We watch the other cows react with violence, particularly if the calf attempts to nurse. A wild bison cow will not adopt anothers calf. I have seen calves take up with bulls, which sometimes tolerate them. But eventually the calves are too weak to keep up during the daily roaming and are most likely captured by a coyote, wolf or bear.
Earlier this year, I watched a young calf run from herd to herd while a coyote followed behind. The calf did not seem to know that the coyote presented danger and ran right up to it and sniffed its nose. This was a tragic sight to watch: A healthy calf expending so much energy to find a home, and that coyote, always close behind. Before long, calf and coyote disappeared down the hill and onto the valley floor. To my knowledge, the calf was never seen again.
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The park service, apparently not realizing that the calf had been abandoned or orphaned for several days, attempted to return it to Lamar Valley, but there was no mother waiting for her baby. Rather than let people stand by and watch this creature perish or be killed, or cause an accident by running into the road, the park service ended the calfs life. If you are in Yellowstone long enough to see animals suffer and die, you will know that when all was said and done, this was a kind ending for the calf that took a ride in a car.
packman
(16,296 posts)Nature has its own rules
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)nothing in a case like this is really the best thing. I personally am not as tender-hearted as the photographer is, but I know some are.
braddy
(3,585 posts)instead it catches you and starts ripping and tearing and eating, while you are alive and feeling it all, until eventually you die.
I would much rather be shot, than endure that.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Nature is the law of the jungle - kill or be killed. It is crude, barbaric even yet is the way nature works in the wild.
braddy
(3,585 posts)are not hunters or farmers, who don't even fish, and they are losing touch with nature and food.
Rex
(65,616 posts)However if we did, untold billions would die due to lack of understanding of the wild and how unforgiving nature is. We in America mostly never would worry about dying from a broken arm...civilization goes bye bye and that again becomes a main issue for survival.
braddy
(3,585 posts)city dwellers.
Rex
(65,616 posts)survival videos or went and took survival classes - would understand how to make so many things they buy as consumers. And the feeling from making something is so rewarding, so many 1st world folks have no idea and that could harm them in the long run.
Nature is so beautiful, it is sometimes hard for consumers to see underneath that beauty at the danger and death that can be right around the corner in the wild. As simple as falling down a ravine and breaking a bone.
I love living in a small rural town, I take nature over city life any day.
braddy
(3,585 posts)the removal of hunting grounds that makes it more expensive and complicated.
I grew up in the 4th largest city in America and fishing and hunting was easy in 1970.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Studying environmental science is much less expensive and allows one the same insight into food chains and ecosystems. No license fees or taxes required.
braddy
(3,585 posts)cheaper for the individual and creates more jobs and is more effective, than yet another government class that merely tells the populace what they are to think.
eppur_se_muova
(36,263 posts)... then leave the carcass for scavengers.
braddy
(3,585 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Getting eaten by one of the predators, or being boiled alive and then turned into soup by the hot springs.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)would have done. Clearly it wanted help...even human help. I'd have thought there would be another option taken into a refuge somewhere.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)2naSalit
(86,613 posts)controversy in doing what modern human see as "better" for wildlife. They are wild. Nature doesn't need human intervention so why do we do it? Because it makes us feel better. That calf would become a meal or many for several animals and biota, it's how nature works. We just can't seem to get it having adapted to a sanitized world based on marketing and profit. We have been trained to eschew that which is not neat and tidy and warm/fuzzy.
What the bad thing about shows is that people will not allow nature to do its thing and that letting this be the case we are keeping the environment safe and sound for our existence. So some clueless tourists couldn't seem to "get it" and by not having serious consequences for breaking established rules, we throw gas on the flames of the controversy... most won't learn a lesson if you tell them about the consequences, you pretty much have to let fools burn their hands in the fire in order for them to learn. People think this is sad but it happens often to wild animals... but this was something that people might see, oh the horror, and feel icky about or sad. Humans need to realize what the real world is all about and work on ourselves rather than forcing the natural world to bend to our will.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)pleasant, but I think this is bit beyond the pale. Humans have conscience...which is what separates us from the other species.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)We certainly interact with nature, and indeed depend on it, to such a degree that finding the seam between humans and the rest of nature is an increasingly difficult task. "Management" is increasingly unavoidable, if for no other reason than to clean up our own mistakes vis-a-vis "nature."
Some here condemn "trophy hunting," when programs like Quality Deer Management, now widely-practiced on both public and private lands, have introduced Antler Restrictions to promote better herd balance and sustainability. In short, QDM REQUIRES a hunter to take only bucks which have good or better antler growth. Times were when Any buck was legal which resulted in gross distortions in a region's deer herds: Most all young bucks start with only a few short tines, so who knows if one never develops a good "rack," and remains a genetically-inferior animal, or if one becomes a real trophy with large antlers? I now pass up young bucks with "forks," or decent but clearly small racks. I have taken a 10-point whitetail with an17" inside spread, and who weighed 154 lbs on the hoof (big for a low-fence deer in the Texas Hill Country). And what of the lost genetics by killing a big buck? The buck I took was maybe 5.5 yrs old, and for four years had generously spewed his genetics alll over the ranch!
Think:. Humans in the early 1970s disco scene, too busy even to bathe.
A year or two older, and my buck's breeding days would be over, but he would continue to eat prodigiously of land which can barely sustain huge deer herds. And his once grand antlers would begin to shrink and go gnarly.
2naSalit
(86,613 posts)we seem to have tipped the scales too far, IMO. If we hadn't removed the predators who control the deer and other ungulate populations, "management" wouldn't be "needed".
Nature does a good job of taking care of itself except when we have interfered to the degree that we have made an ecosystem (most of them by now) unbalanced. We seem to be like an exotic invasive species, which I think should be regulated regardless of what people deem to be their "gawd-given right to reproduce ad nauseum".
Not gonna argue other peoples' values, I think they are pretty messed up when it comes to nature. We humans appear to only consider the natural world when we want to go camping or hunting and don't spend much time or effort checking our abuse of it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)2naSalit
(86,613 posts)in the states with the most public land where the wildlife are only tolerated by humans, many of whom want to sell off the Commons so they can spread to every inch of ground.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Amid the culture wars. Gun control, animal rights, no-entry preservation has greatly eroded old connections.
2naSalit
(86,613 posts)places where humans can't go, especially if simply for sport and "recreation". Our species is like vermin upon the planet in my view. I won't fight it when it's my turn to depart, not sure why I wanted to come here (to the planet) in the first place.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)a pack of wolves or something would have ultimately come along looking for their meal. Hopefully they took it back into the wild for that purpose...buzzards, smaller animals. I get the pecking order.
Still, I'd have a hard time driving away from a majestic hungry young and deserted animal clearly needing and asking for help. They meant well, and the end was likely the same.
I took in a baby crow/blackbird once as a child who had been deserted. I even named him. We bonded, I fed and held it, but it didn't last long. I was sad, but felt glad to have had the encounter. I also buried it because I didn't want it to be picked apart. It could go back to the earth.
It's easy to second guess people's motives or Monday Morning Quarterback, but I'd be willing to bet a majority of people, in the same circumstances, would have done the same thing.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)baby possums. Their mother and three of their siblings had been killed by a car. I saw them on my way to my land. After working a few hours I was heading back to town. It was clear the babies were just going to sit there on mom until they died. So I shoved them into an oatmeal container put that in my backpack and took them home. I had them for a couple of days and they had graduated to eating apple slices. I was about a day away from releasing them when the county wildlife guy came and took them.
The calf in the picture though, looks big enough to fend for itself, and too big to mess with.
Strange that mother bison won't take care of other children. Perhaps they cannot afford to, one child is enough of a drain.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Bison Producers of Alberta :: Feeding Orphans
bisoncentre.com/resources/resource-library/advanced-bison.../feeding-orphans/
Once the calf has had a good start with colostrum, it is time to feed milk or milk replacer. Some people have had good success by finding a nurse mother for their ...
Bison Producers of Alberta :: Bringing Up Baby
bisoncentre.com/resources/resource-library/advanced-bison.../bringing-baby/
With the publicity our babies have also become the poster girls for "Brown's Bison Milk Replacer" a new product that is now becoming commercially available.
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Managing Very Young Bison Calves - NDSU Agriculture
https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/.../bison/Managing%20Calves....
North Dakota State University
Bison calves are seldom orphaned but when they are, most producers are ... Two pans were used for milk replacer and fresh water was available in two others.
Milk Replacers BisonGro | Züküdla
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The American Bison milk replacer was formulated to provide proper milk feeding to a newborn Bison calf. This all-milk product will allow full growth of the ...
[PDF]Dr Gerald Hauer on Feeding Orphans
www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/.../Hauer_2000_June.pdf
University of Saskatchewan
tute for real elk or bison colostrum which is hard to obtain. ' Once the calf has had a good start with colo- strum, it is time to feed milk or milk replacer. Some.
Tootsie's page - Oakcreek Buffalo Ranch
www.ourbuffalofarm.com/photo.html
So I went to the house and made a bottle of lamb's milk replacer and tried again. ... such as to a family reunion and to the Missouri Bison Assn summer meeting.
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A milk replacer formula recommended for bisons and other species having a milk composition with medium protein and high fat content.
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)set up a bison nursery and hire/train the people to run it!
Oneironaut
(5,495 posts)You could tell that the baby bison in the story was on death's door and totally desperate. The tourists' actions made absolutely no difference, except for maybe saving the animal a horrendous death of being slowly ripped apart by a pack of hungry wolves.
The tourists' actions were clearly wrong, but I understand why they did it. The media sensationalized this story to hell.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Justice is swift.
Oneironaut
(5,495 posts)People base their opinions on the musings of crap-flinging rags (a.k.a. Our entire news media and blogs) which most of the time have the story almost completely wrong or exaggerated. There are also people out there who delight in jumping on the next outrage dogpile. I don't get it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)truth can get its pants on. Unbelievable.
That's why I don't do Facebook or Twitter, much to the chagrin of the younger ones (under the Boomer age range) in the family. It's taken the "personal relationship" out of it, I fear. At least in my case. I ask about something or the kids, and they don't want to discuss it because it's on Facebook. Already old news.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)2naSalit
(86,613 posts)there would be no contemplation of the "rules" of behavior in the park. It's one of the reasons we see so much ignorance and stupidity in the parks. I am glad these stories are getting out into the world at large, it's about f'ing time. These are the people who make the job of the Rangers suck like no other job in the tourism industry.
I hope every screw up who gets hurt, dies, or does something stupid like that gets piles of media attention until the vast majority of people stop being so damned stupid when they go to places like this.
petronius
(26,602 posts)tavernier
(12,388 posts)They birth the babies, but refuse to help the little ones who end up homeless.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)What is stopping the same for orphaned bison calves? I would think any neighboring rancher/farmer would have been happy to take it in and raise it.
**I don't know what the thing is called. It's a bucket. With a big rubber nipple sticking out the front of it and a hanger on the back for hanging on a board. You can't just hang it there because the calf will knock it off. But it helps you steady it so that you only end up spilling 50% of the milk all over yourself instead of 99%.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)George Eliot
(701 posts)If this happens frequently, it seems someone could start one. Your coyote story will haunt me for a while.