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http://www.tampabay.com/news/omar-mateen-angry-pious-lost-soul-driven-to-kill/2281430I fell this is an important article because it has a lot of the actual facts about Mateen, much of which will be blown over in all the hype.
Outside of that, several things stand out IMHO.
"Public records and interviews with neighbors, coworkers and family friends paint a picture of a man who had become increasingly withdrawn from the world. Having weathered job loss and a broken marriage, he was the father of a young boy. He had begun to act more and more devout in recent years but still was capable of sudden vulgarity and flashes of anger at gay people, blacks, Jews and women."
"Mateen's ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, described him as unstable and abusive during a Sunday news conference in Colorado, where she now lives. "
Now here come some chilling parts:
"He took classes at Indian River State College in Fort Pierce and in October 2006 got a job as a prison guard for the Florida Department of Corrections. He didn't last long in the position. Records show he left the job in April 2007 for an "administrative matter unrelated to misconduct."
Now, I can tell you, as a former employee of the Florida Department of Corrections, it takes EFFORT to get fired as a guard, namely because the department needs any warm body willing to get getting stabbed, raped, or have a gang member kill you on the orders of some guy writing a coded letter from the inside. This is the same department where officers would probably have these tied knot key chains that would act as nooses. The behavior was blatantly encouraged.
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2001/sep/15/racist-knot-of-florida-guards/
so for this person to have gotten canned, in a job that frankly encourages bullies, says a LOT. Throw in wife beating, and you showcase a nasty character.
"G4S placed him at the St. Lucie County Courthouse, manning the metal detectors at the front, said Daniel Gilroy, a former coworker. Before long, Mateen was involved in an incident with a black colleague, Gilroy said, and was sent to man the gate at the PGA Village neighborhood in St. Lucie West."
"He said Mateen would smack things in the guard house when he got angry, openly lusted after female guests of the country club and used slurs to describe gay people, blacks, Jews and women. "He never used other words to describe them," Gilroy said. "Oh, he hated women. He thought they were objects, he thought they shouldn't be allowed to drive, he thought he should have his pick."
So, what do we have here, the sort of person typically recruited by religious extremists, a person whose sense of manhood was bruised, who was used to taking it out on women, blacks, gays, and who felt he was not given respect. He was someone mired in the abusive, violent culture of security, whose empathy was probably already ground thin. Someone who had no thought about what his act would do to his young son.
and exactly the sort of person that would have no problem buying guns in Florida, hell, this person was trusted with being a Corrections Officer and a Security guard, despite a number of red flags. Does beating your wife mean nothing on a background check?
I focus here because yes,this is easily politicized, by both sides, at the expense of the LGBT in Florida who not only know there are plenty of people of all creeds who could have done this, but that there are probably several wannabee warriors who want to be next. There is an ugly gun culture in America, but in Florida it has blossomed and rotted, and it knows how to target desperate people (the people who want to prove their manhood) against desperate people (the people group one feels they have a right to oppress with said gun.) These are the same people who defended the right of George Zimmerman to sell the gun that killed a young black man.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
Time and again, the portraits of the shooters reveal a condition known as Sanpaku eyes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku
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HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I sure hope some investigator palpates whatever is left of the assassin's cranium so that phrenology gets a chance to weigh in.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
Whether it's for some perverted religious cause or other calling, mass carnage reveals multiple DSM-IV issues.
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HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)to be applied.
And in which state is your arm-chair forensic psychiatry licensed to use an OUTDATED version of the DSM??
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
While DSM-V is the new standard, it is not fully accepted--many classifications are in question.
You can go back to pretending that you know what you are talking about again.
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HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)You need to read very much more psychology before practicing it from your keyboard.
Bye now.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)you can't tell bad people by looking at their eyes.
What we have here is post facto confirmation bias dressed up in faux Chinese philosophy.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Shit, Dylann Roof looked like something straight out of A Clockwork Orange
FailureToCommunicate
(14,020 posts)ing power guns.
Cosmocat
(14,572 posts)this conversation is so incredibly tiring.
The most dishonest conversation this country has, and that is saying a lot.
The most basic element is completely off the table.
It is even worse than global warming.
We can't get shit done about it, like this issue, but at least the jackasses who deny it are chided.
Every completely stupid ass rationalization with this bullshit "guns rights" stuff is indulged ...
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)YOUNG MEN!
So since we can't ban young men maybe we shouldn't enable them to kill dozens of people. No one NEEDS a AR-15 to protect themselves or to hunt.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)+1000
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)This is twisted shit. Just admit to who did this, stop playing games with the lives of others. This was a religious bigot. Not another sort. The religious sort. Deal with it folks.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)but the article shows him in his true, UGLY light as a bigot. Perhaps neither devout nor Pious should be considered positive traits.Add to it he also attacked blacks, which is odd considering that is forbidden BY Islam. The point being he was many things stacked on top of each other, a toxin on a toxin.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The article is a defense of his motive. Horrible to use those words for him.
"Pious" means devoutly religious. The word is used only by the author, who also claims that religion is innocent of all influence of this man. The article is slanted and in fact bigoted and 50 are dead and the bigotry is not cute anymore. Clown time is over. No more of this.
DinahMoeHum
(21,809 posts)If ISIS never existed, he would have used another excuse.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)'ok' from the FBI.
anoNY42
(670 posts)So technically he did have an "ok" from the FBI.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)about this story was that the ex-wife's father and mother, who I believe are Muslim, came and brought her home when they learned he was abusing her. The Muslim stereotype suggest that it's almost obligatory for men to beat their wives. I could be wrong, and I know spousal abuse is not uncommon anywhere, but I honestly don't think that most women or their parents will put up with much of it regardless of what fundamentalist religion or culture have to say on the subject, and that plays in spades for premeditated mass murder.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)for men to beat their wives," are you suggesting that this IS the case, or just that it is an ignorant stereotype?
I think (hope) you mean the latter, but just want to ask.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)Apparently he was married in 2013, when he got a mortgage with his wife: http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/omar-mateen-wife-noor-zahi-salman-mother-son-children-photos-pictures-facebook-married/
and they have a 3 year old son. The Washington Post say she 'appears to have left him', but we have no idea when, or how reliable that 'appears' is.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)violent to the core.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)My station is there right now and there is tape all over the car from the FBI.
On a personal note: his father lives 2 blocks from my house in Port St Lucie. This area is very tense right now. He was living in this area for years and no-one spoke up before today. Really sad and scary.
It's time that we look around and are more aware of our surroundings and the people within!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I'm glad he's gone. I'm just sorry he took so many people with him.
Dalziel3979
(72 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)so this guy got drunk several time at the club, visiting it. Gee, sounds like such a "pious" Muslim.