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kentuck

(111,098 posts)
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 01:14 PM Jun 2012

Is the President or the Generals calling the shots on the drone attacks?


The President is the Commander in Chief but there has been a trend in recent years to let the generals make the decisions on the ground. Republicans have run on the very point that the generals on the ground know best how to run the war. Has the President fallen into that trap?

This policy seems so anti-Barack Obama and what we know about his understandings of the Constitution. This is not to excuse the President one way or the other but I wonder who is calling the shots??
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Is the President or the Generals calling the shots on the drone attacks? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2012 OP
i doubt anyone tells the military what to do. spanone Jun 2012 #1
It doesn't matter. The C in C gets the credit and the blame. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #2
The Generals may be calling the shots on the ground (or in the air) former9thward Jun 2012 #3
The President sets the policy and the generals implement it Orangepeel Jun 2012 #4
As commander-in-chief Obama is ultimately responsible for what shots are called. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #5
The initiation of shooting follows The Second Stone Jun 2012 #6
Who called the shots to take out Bin Laden? MnExpat Jun 2012 #7
Obama owns the policy. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #8
It doesn't matter PhilInAlaska Jun 2012 #9
The brass. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #10
 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
2. It doesn't matter. The C in C gets the credit and the blame.
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 01:30 PM
Jun 2012

Remember when he started his surge? I know the warnings about how this would become President Obama's war if he didn't move to end from the very start was all over Kos, and I'm sure it must have been here, too. Well here it is, a clusterfuck on track to eclipse the clusterfuck of Iraq and who gets the blame? The Democrats, who else?

former9thward

(32,013 posts)
3. The Generals may be calling the shots on the ground (or in the air)
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 01:31 PM
Jun 2012

But they are doing so with the approval of the President. If they are doing otherwise then he has surrendered his constitutional duty.

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
4. The President sets the policy and the generals implement it
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jun 2012

I'm too lazy to find a quote, but that's my impression of what the President has said in the past.

Certainly the President is not calling every shot. His involvement probably lies somewhere between authorizing additional support for a Seal team targeting Bin Laden (which reports are that he did) and deciding which battalion is deployed where (which of course he doesn't do).

He has obviously authorized the policy of drone strikes under particular circumstances. I doubt that the procedure is to get his authorization before each strike.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
5. As commander-in-chief Obama is ultimately responsible for what shots are called.
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jun 2012

Just as much as LBJ and Nixon were responsible for what the generals did in Vietnam.

It's not like he doesn't know what's going on.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
6. The initiation of shooting follows
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jun 2012

a theater's "rules of engagement" and only under certain conditions can a commander fire first. With a drone situation it would be the same. The commander in chief (the president) would have the right to write the rules of engagement.

The drone pilots themselves are frequently retired military pilots. In the last few days I read an interview with one, and he stated that he had been a pilot in previous wars where there was no control on when a bomb was dropped. Now they wait to fire the missiles to minimize civilian casualties, and the drone continues to hover around and watch the bodies and activities around the bodies and it takes a huge toll on the pilots because mistakes mean families are right there, either dead or grieving.

Drone warfare, like all warfare, leaves death and destruction. But the collateral damage is far less. The Taliban invited Al Queda to their country. When they did that, they invited us. It is the job of our government to kill those enemies of ours that are trying to kill our citizens and those that harbor them. That includes Al Queda and the Taliban. If the Taliban wanted us out of Afghanistan, all they would have to do is stop their activity for a period of a year or two. Instead they poison water at girls' schools, plant IEDs and kill government officials.

 

MnExpat

(18 posts)
7. Who called the shots to take out Bin Laden?
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 02:30 PM
Jun 2012

And there just might be your answer.

I don't think we can have it both ways.

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
8. Obama owns the policy.
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jun 2012

the CIA (General Petraeus) calls the targets. The triggers are pulled in Nevada.

PhilInAlaska

(2 posts)
9. It doesn't matter
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 04:32 PM
Jun 2012

The drone policy (not to mention the entire "War on Terror&quot is clearly immoral and arguably unconstitutional. Of course Obama "owns" the war; Afghanistan is the one he said he would prosecute to the fullest when he was campaigning. Which is a tragedy. He either lacks the guts to end it, or he actually believes it is in the public interest. Either way, it will make my vote for the President a vote for the lesser of two evils.

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