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Chris Cox, the executive director of the NRAs Institute for Legislative Action, also said on ABCs This Week that he didnt want people at a nightclub shooting guns while drinking:COX: Of course not. Of course not. And you cant be in a nightclub drinking anywhere in this country. What Donald Trump has said is what the American people know is commonsense, that if somebody had been there to to stop this faster, fewer people would have died. Thats not thats not controversial, thats commonsense.
KARL: But you dont like the idea of people going into nightclub armed to the teeth?
COX: Of course.
KARL: OK.
COX: No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms. That defies common sense. It also defies the law. Its not what were talking about here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-nra-orlando_us_5766d145e4b015db1bc9ae30?section=
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)Here in Iowa, it is legal to walk into a bar with a concealed weapon. The NRA fully backed this when it was being debated. So Cox is full of shit.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)they get away with this absolute defiance of all that is common sense by saying you can go into a bar with a gun, but you can't consume alcohol while carrying.
Let's be real here. How many people go into bars, to not drink while carrying a gun?
Yes, many people go into bars and don't drink. I just don't think there is a reasonable expectation that the same kind of people that take guns with them everywhere they go are going to overwhelmingly be in bars and not drinking.
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)...be enforced?
Ridiculous.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Probably after somebody got shot or blew their own foot off.
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)I don't expect anything else from those creeps.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Fuck the NRA!
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Orlando Police Chief John Mina said an off-duty police officer working security at the club in uniform traded gunfire with the attacker.
Officials said that after police responded to reports of the violence, the attacker retreated to a bathroom with hostages. Police held back because the attacker made statements about having explosives, they said.
safeinOhio
(32,715 posts)And not once has one stopped a shooter with a asult type weapon in a mass shooting.
safeinOhio
(32,715 posts)In revenge action movies. That's where they get this idea.
spin
(17,493 posts)In this article there is a short list of such incidents. As I said they are rare.
Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?
By Eugene Volokh October 3, 2015
Backers of laws that let pretty much all law-abiding people carry concealed guns in public places often argue that these laws will sometimes enable people to stop mass shootings. Opponents occasionally ask: If thats so, what examples can one give of civilians armed with guns stopping such shootings? Sometimes, I hear people asking if even one such example can be found, or saying that they havent heard of even one such example.
A while back I posted about a few examples, but since then there have been some more, so I thought Id note them. Naturally, such examples will be rare. Even in states which allow concealed carry, there often arent people near a shooting who have a gun on them at the time. Many mass shootings happen in supposedly gun-free zones (such as schools, universities, bars, or private property posted with a no-guns sign), in which gun carrying isnt allowed in many states. And there is no central database of such examples, many of which dont hit the national media, especially if a gunman is stopped before he shoots many victims. Moreover, at least some examples are ambiguous, because it might be unclear as youll see below whether the shooter had been planning to kill more people when he was stopped.
Still, for whatever they are worth, here is a list of some such incidents (which deliberately excludes killings stopped by people who were off-duty police officers, or police officers from other jurisdictions, at the time of a shooting, as well as some other cases which struck me as borderline):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/
Another factor is that mass murders usually pick soft targets which such as gun free zones to carry out their attack.
There are over 1,000,000 residents of Florida who currently have a valid concealed weapons permit but Florida law says you can't legally carry a concealed firearm even with a carry permit into an establishment such as the Orlando nightclub that was just attacked.
However the idea that if only more people start legally carrying concealed handguns everywhere mass murders will end is foolish. Usually the shooter has a far superior weapon and any responsible person would have to be close to the shooter to place an accurate shot that would stop him. The good guy would also have to consider that he might easily injure an innocent person if he missed. Handguns especially the ones usually carried concealed are far more difficult to shoot than what you may believe if you watch movies or TV. Also an individual may be a great shooter on the range but stress and adrenaline cause a his/her skills to diminish considerably.
Legally concealed handguns are most useful as self defense weapons in situations where there are one or two attackers and once the attackers realize their victim is armed they run.
For example my mother back in the 1920's time frame was walking home from work in a rural area after she got off a bus. A man who had been hiding behind some bushes rushed her. She had a small S&W .22 caliber LadySmith revolver in her purse which she drew. She fired two shots over the man's head and he ran.
As a side note she kept that revolver as a souvenir and hid it in a box in a drawer in her bedroom. Of course I found it. I loaded it with the bullets that were in the box. I don't remember ever pulling the trigger but if I had it wouldn't have made a loud noise. My father had wisely removed the firing pin.
safeinOhio
(32,715 posts)involved defense against an assault type weapon.
spin
(17,493 posts)If you are talking about attacks using a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine that can hold more than ten rounds, you are right.
However the definition I was using is broader. A pistol such as a Glock could fall within the definition of an assault weapon.
Drawing from federal and state law definitions, the term assault weapon refers primarily to semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns that are able to accept detachable magazines and possess one or more other features.[2][9][10][11] Some jurisdictions define revolving cylinder shotguns as assault weapons.[12][13] Legislative definitions do not include fully automatic weapons, which are regulated separately as Title II weapons under federal law.[14][9][n 1] A key defining law was the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.[14] At that time, the United States Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."[3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,592 posts)More States Allowing Guns in Bars
NASHVILLE Happy-hour beers were going for $5 at Past Perfect, a cavernous bar just off this citys strip of honky-tonks and tourist shops when Adam Ringenberg walked in with a loaded 9-millimeter pistol in the front pocket of his gray slacks.
Mr. Ringenberg, a technology consultant, is one of the states nearly 300,000 handgun permit holders who have recently seen their rights greatly expanded by a new law one of the nations first that allows them to carry loaded firearms into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.
If someones sticking a gun in my face, Im not relying on their charity to keep me alive, said Mr. Ringenberg, 30, who said he carries the gun for personal protection when he is not at work.
Gun rights advocates like Mr. Ringenberg may applaud the new law, but many customers, waiters and restaurateurs here are dismayed by the decision.
NYT
He carries the gun in his pants? Can anybody else see where this is going to lead?
spanone
(135,873 posts)ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)Any type of semi-automatic should be a restricted class weapon, requiring gun safety education and a lengthy background check, along with a psychiatric evaluation.
We have to break the weapons up into classes and apply differing processes to obtain each.