Bangladesh hostages tortured based on whether or not they could recite the Quran

[BlueNoMatterWho]

Bangladesh newspaper The Daily Star are reporting that Dhaka restaurant hostages were instructed to recite the Quran, those who couldn't were tortured, those who could were not harmed. Their report comes from an interview with one of the rescued hostages, Rezaul Karim.

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/dhaka-restaurant-attack-july-1-2016/

[MariaThinks]

1. murderous monsters.

[clarice]

2. 154 views...2 responses..... the silence is deafening. nt

[BlueNoMatterWho]

3. It's nothing new, I believe that is why there is nothing to say. It's almost expected. Sad.

[clarice]

5. But can anyone adequately explain... why these issues don't seem...

to strike a chord with many progressives on DU?

[Ex Lurker]

11. There's a blind spot about the Third World

and Islam is seen as part of the Third World. If something can't be blamed on colonialism, Western Imperialism, or some other ism, it's ignored.

Look, our hands are not clean, and we ought to recognize that. But not everything in the world is our fault. Humans are humans, and are prone to the same good and evil impulses no matter where they are or what their background.

[Quantess]

29. There will come a time when women's rights, LGTB rights, religions (jews and christians)

that muslim extremists are intolerant of, cartoon artists that get their lives threatened over (or killed) for depicting Darling Muhammed, etc etc... becomes the focus of conversation, as opposed to "we need to respect their culture" lest be seen as islamophobics.

[Albertoo]

76. ^^^ Hear, hear ^^^

[Quantess]

15. Sshhh.... we aren't supposed to say anything critical EVER about ANY muslims.

Because if we do it might be construed as islamophobic.

[smirkymonkey]

22. No, its all OUR fault! Remember when we invaded Bangladesh!

Oh, wait, no.

[bdwker]

33. I've noticed that.

Is it allowed to say Isl**ic Terrorism?

What are the rules for pointing out that there seems to be some vague relationship between terror and a certain religion ?

What is allowed ?

I cant figure it out.

[RKP5637]

37. Yep, pathetic, isn't it! n/t

[uppityperson]

41. What issue? That DUers hate religious extremists hurting other people?

Yup, no outcry against that on DU, not at all.

[Hekate]

42. That is a ridiculous assertion. Do we have to post a reply to every atrocity in order to "prove"...

...how deeply we care? Or even that we care?

Tell you what. Post one of those "silent threads in solidarity for" whatever is going on that day, and you will reliably get dozens, if not hundreds, of candles, asterisks, and emoticons expressing tears and hugs.

And what, exactly, will change in this world of 7 billion souls?

[clarice]

62. Yes we DO have to post about every example of these egregious activities......

or be complicit in our silence. After all... as progressives... it is our duty to draw attention to these
atrocities against women, LGBT, and the innocent among us...or has the definition of Liberalism somehow morphed to exclude certain groups. Please explain.

[Hekate]

67. Well good, you can be the self appointed purveyor of utter doom and hopelessness

Actually, no. We are entitled to have a board with some balance in it, just as we are entitled to have lives that don't make us suicidal. How this "excludes certain groups" is beyond me.

Your definition of what it means to be "progressive" and "Liberal" would drive away 90% of all the people you supposedly want to make aware. Self flagellation is simply not required.

We are aware, or we wouldn't be here at DU. I encourage you to read the TOS of this board. There isn't anything in there that mandates hourly accounts of every single atrocity that occurs in the world. That does not make the Admins "complicit," nor the rest of us either.

[clarice]

70. There is a turning of the tide here at DU...... we will no longer be cowed..threatened...

or alerted on by self appointed thought cleansers... we have the right as progressives...to state our
opinions with out fear of reproach...although we may not march in lock step to the prevailing narrative. I know through DU mail that MANY members here feel the same way.... and I don't blame them for not publicly asserting their opinions. This forum is the only avenue that many people here have where they can feel that they are a part of a family, and they don't want their privileges revoked. In some small way... I hope to speak for them.

[Hekate]

71. If you feel there are "self appointed thought cleansers" you can always take it up with...

..Ask the Admins.

Oh, the drama.

[DashOneBravo]

83. I see no drama

Expect maybe your replies.

[smirkymonkey]

81. +1000

[B2G]

6. Well I have another theory, but it would probably get me a hide. nt

[840high]

12. me2

[B2G]

14. Oh what the hell...I'll take one for the team.

The reason why this, along with the Istanbul attack, is being so studiously ignored, is because there is zero way to spin this away from radical Islam as the cause. That's it, plain and simple.

If the terrorists had purchased their guns in Texas though, this place would be exploding with anger at the US, our lax gun laws and the NRA.

I still haven't figured out why radical Islam is such a sacred cow here, however. It really baffles me since every other religion is gleefully bashed on a regular basis. I'm still trying to work that one out.

[840high]

18. ...!100++++

[DirkGently]

23. I've yet to see anyone defend "radical Islam."

Nor do I see anyone "ignoring" this attack or any other.

I think what bothers conservatives -- what they consider "ignoring the problem" -- is that we don't go a step further, and draw some conclusion about Muslims or Islam in general. A conclusion they hold very dear, which is that their own version of the Abrahamic religion is the "good" one.

I think they want everyone to "admit" that what we really need is a religious war, where valiant Christians, who stopped slaughtering people in the name of their religion a while ago (save for your sporadic Eric Rudolphs killing women and doctors here and there) finally "do something" about Islam itself, or Muslims themselves, rather than engage in what they see as a foolish attempt to distinguish violent lunatics from millions of people that actually do practice their religion peacefully.

I'm consistently glad they are frustrated about that.

[Maru Kitteh]

73. THIS IS EXACTLY what bothers all zealots, of any stripe.

Thank you for that thoughtful and concise explanation. I believe you are entirely correct.

[Ash_F]

31. How do you want us, as Americans, to alter our foreign policy vis-à-vis Bangladesh...

To prevent this from happening? US companies have a lot of money invested in the country.

[LeftishBrit]

56. This was not done by the state of Bangladesh, but by ISIS terrorists

We cannot blame Bangladesh, any more than one can blame France or Belgium or Turkey for being the sites of ISIS outrages.

[Ash_F]

78. I made no such accusation and the question remains.

[bdwker]

35. I had a post removed when...

I mentioned " isl**ic terrorism.

Ive looked and I cant find any rules re this.

[RKP5637]

38. ++++ 100 n/t

[rug]

43. What precisely is "radical Islam" and how does it differ from nonradical Islam?

Your answer will either prove or disprove your point, depending on your prejudged view of Islam.

Either you will note the differences, including the nonIslamic influences, or you will hold there is no differenece becase all Islam is based on the Quran and the hadiths.

If you claim the latter, you're still left without an explanation why these acts are not the norm. Which leads you back to the first position.

Overall, it's much more rational to look at the secular reasons for these particular acts, as opposed to pondering Islam.

[oberliner]

74. In the same way "radical Christianity" differs from nonradical Christianity

Most devout Christians oppose abortion, but only the radical ones would bomb an abortion clinic.

Pretending that these sorts of attacks have "secular reasons" and are unrelated to religion is to deny reality, especially when the very criminals themselves specifically identify the religious motivation behind their actions (be it Christian, Islam, or what have you).

[rug]

82. Well-founded argments do not need strawmen like "unrelated to religion".

No one is saying that. Religion is one of many factors behind these actions. To end the inquiry by saying, "he said he was Muslim", is lazy, inaccurate and wrong.

In the meantime, by acknowledging there are "radical", or "extremist", or "fundamentalist" versions of religions, you are acknowledging there are differences between them and the conventional religions.

So, what are they? They are secular, political, economic, and demographic differences. Why the reluctance to acknowledge, discuss and understand those?

[oberliner]

86. Nor do they need strawmen iike the one you are presenting here

"To end the inquiry by saying, "he said he was Muslim", is lazy, inaccurate and wrong." - which is certainly not what I claimed.

You just wrote: "Religion is one of many factors behind these actions." I agree with that.

In your prior post you wrote: "it's much more rational to look at the secular reasons for these particular acts" which seemed to imply that it was less rational to look at the religious reasons, but now you seem to be saying that the religious reasons should be looked at also (since they are one of the many factors).

I don't see why we can't have an intelligent discussion where we acknowledge the significance of religious doctrine along with the other factors.

[rug]

87. We can. State the secular reasons.

[romanic]

60. Agreed 100%

IMO I feel like the reasons most here on DU refrain from saying anything about Islamic terrorism or radical Islam is because:

1. Right-wingers use the terms "radical Islam" to describe these terrorist attacks, thus not wanting to parrot right-wingers.
2. Some feel like calling out these attacks as Islamic-based is Islamophobic and racist to the billions of Muslims in the world.
3. They're afraid to call out the various wrongs in Islamic theocracies and societies, lest they be deemed as Islamophobic and racist.
4. They don't want to call out Islamic fundamentalism or terrorism because it doesn't involve their go-to blames such as Christianity, Western colonialism, White Privilege, the Patriarchy or Gun Control.

That's pretty much what I can gather based on how hush-hush the responses are in regards to these attacks in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Turkey, etc.

[bdwker]

63. Interesting

[clarice]

64. So... in other words ...we are being....censured. nt

[bdwker]

68. More interesting

[AntiBank]

72. good summary

[jack_krass]

88. "why radical Islam is such a sacred cow"

I don't think it is. It's just so much more fashionable and hip, not to mention fun, to blame "TEH GUNZZZzZZzzzz".

The truth, IMO, is that it's *easier* to be blame guns, and doesn't I involve much deep thought, like searching for root causes and true solutions would..

[B2G]

4. Personally, I just don't know what to say at this point.

It will be ignored.

After all, the victims were all in the garment industry...

[stage left]

7. This is horrible.

And yet, religion is not a factor.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

13. Hence the reciting of the Quran

[B2G]

16. It certainly was for the non-Muslims who were slaughtered. nt

[melman]

17. Sarcasm?

Gotta be. I hope.

[840high]

19. Is that sarcasm?

[Ace Rothstein]

40. Survey Says

[BlueNoMatterWho]

54. LOL

[Ex Lurker]

8. Bump, just to keep it at the top

The silence may be deafening, but they won't avoid seeing it.

[RKP5637]

39. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Aerows]

9. Horrific.

Pure, low-down evil.

[kentauros]

10. I probably would have only been able to recite Rumi quotes.

I doubt they'd have accepted that, though, despite him having been a Muslim (Sufi to be exact.) And yes, I know they hate Sufis, possibly more than anyone else.

The beauty you see in me is a reflection of you.
~ Rumi

[Dreamer Tatum]

20. Bump nt

[DashOneBravo]

21. That's horrible

ISIS called for attacks during Ramadan. That ends 5 July.

Hopefully nothing happens this weekend

[True Earthling]

24. Three U.S students among 20 hacked to death in Bangladesh

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3671369/American-student-20-people-hacked-death-Bangladesh-ISIS-terrorists-spared-recite-Koran-armored-troops-moved-in.html

At least three American students have been identified among 20 people killed during an ISIS attack on a cafe in Bangladesh yesterday.

Abinta Kabir, a student at Emory University who was from Miami, Florida, died when terrorists attacked the largely foreign crowd inside the Holey Artisan Bakery in Dhaka last night.

Fellow Emory student Faraaz Hossain, who attended the college's business school, was also identified as being among the dead by a spokesman today. Tarushi Jain, 19, who studied at University of California Berkeley campus, was also killed.

[Ex Lurker]

25. DU doesn't care

It's already halfway down the front page. It will be gone completely in another hour.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

32. Maybe someone should have wrote a slur on a customer receipt

That would wake DU up.

[Hekate]

46. Barnyard byproducts. Here's your kick.

This, by the way, is possibly the most terminally ignorant thread I have ever witnessed on this board.

JURY: OP gives info about Bangladesh terrorist attack. It has attracted multiple "we can't call it Islamic terrorism because that would get us a hide" replies and multiple responses stating categorically that "DU just doesn't care at all because reasons." Gods help us.

[Aerows]

85. Wow, that's pretty harsh.

I hope you have a better day today.

[lapfog_1]

34. These brave men, these warriors for Islam... killed this person.

[bdwker]

50. Theres no words to describe this horror.

[TeddyR]

52. Yep

Fuck those cowards, and anyone like them, regardless of religious affiliation.

[romanic]

80. May she and the other victims rest in peace. :(

[Duckhunter935]

26. Sickening

[NightWatcher]

27. Yay religion!

[clarice]

65. Yay.. fundamentalist Islamic extremeism. nt

[TipTok]

84. It's like comparing herpes to terminal cancer...

One is worse but neither is desirable...

[PatrickforO]

28. Well, there's another place I will never visit.

[Hekate]

44. World traveller, are you? Crossed a bunch of places off your bucket list based on radicals?

[clarice]

66. Yes... why the hell wouldn't you. Hello??? Hello????? nt

[Hekate]

69. Frankly, any of us is more at risk of death driving on a freeway. The whole point of terrorism...

...is to terrify people so that they cease to go about their normal activities -- and in the case of freedom-lovin' Americans, willingly sign away many of their most cherished actual freedoms.

9-11! USA PATRIOT ACT! Remember duct tape and plastic sheeting that were supposed to make us safe from anthrax? BushCheney's deepest message: Be afraid, be very afraid.

Fine though, cease rational thought. Never travel to San Bernardino, or Paris, London, or Rome. Never go to the movies or the mall.

Or drive on the freeway.

I don't intend to live my life that way.

[Dreamer Tatum]

30. Kick for visibility nt

[RKP5637]

36. Ain't religion just great!

[Hekate]

47. In this century

[RKP5637]

49. Yep, SOS carried out by various religions over eons. Different times, different

people, different religions, but basically the SOS. Now, Islamic extremists.

[RKP5637]

48. Yep! Agree!!! n/t

[romanic]

51. Shhh don't say Islamic terror

Just say "religion" to pass the purity test.

No but I agree, this is not a vague religious issue, this is strictly an Islamic issue.

[Ex Lurker]

58. It seems the jury has confirmed the author of #36's point.

Mustn't criticize I*lam.

[oberliner]

75. Some of them are

Not all religions preach the same messages.

[lpbk2713]

53. I'll never get it.

Why don't they see how perverted it is to kill in the name of religion?

[msanthrope]

61. Because they believe their religion justifies killing. nt

[LeftishBrit]

55. What horrible nutcases

I am an atheist, but if there were a God/Allah, He would no doubt have struck them dead for using religion and God's name for such evil.

[Ilsa]

57. More religious extremist assholes.

I hope they burn in hell.

[smirkymonkey]

59. K&R

[Warren DeMontague]

77. I'm sure it has nothing to do with Islamic Fundamentalism.

...right?

[JNelson6563]

79. Ah yes, lunacy from religious zealots. Always a surprise!

Religious zealots of all stripes are dangerous in varying degrees. To focus on one brand of this lunacy is counter-productive.


Julie

[Marengo]

89. Interesting, several personas are conspicuously absent from this thread.

[Matrosov]

90. They are to Islam as Westboro is to Christianity n/t

[bdwker]

91. Really ?

Westboro has killed how many people ?

Gee whiz