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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:40 PM Jul 2016

Meet the gay man who actually won America her independence

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/07/meet-gay-man-actually-won-america-independence/

To appreciate the contributions Baron Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben (1730-94) made to the American Revolution, consider this: Before his arrival in Valley Forge in 1778, the colonies were on the path to defeat. Without his leadership, our modern America might still be the British Colonies.

Before von Steuben arrived at Valley Forge, the Revolutionary Army was a loosely organized, rag-tag band of men with little military training or discipline. The military fumbled through the beginning of the war for independence lacking training and organization. Gen. George Washington and the Continental Congress knew that, without help from additional seasoned military experts, the colonies would clearly lose.

Since Washington himself was the best the colonies had, they looked to Europe for someone who could train the troops. To that end, Washington wrote the colonies’ representatives in Paris, among them Benjamin Franklin, to see what he could come up with. Franklin, a renowned inventor, was treated as a celebrity in the French court. This would be pivotal in achieving his two major objectives in France: winning financial support for the American Revolution and finding military leaders who could bring a semblance of order to the Revolutionary Army.

Franklin learned of a “brilliant Prussian” military genius, Lt. Gen. Baron Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, who had a string of successes across Germanic Europe. But there was one problem. He’d been asked to depart many of those states and countries because of his “affections for members of his own sex,” according to biographer Paul Lockhart’s The Drillmaster of Valley Forge.




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Meet the gay man who actually won America her independence (Original Post) KamaAina Jul 2016 OP
History says he organized the troops which if left erratic would have lost Person 2713 Jul 2016 #1
And he wasn't even a Prussian General. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #2
And he wasn't a Baron either. Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #10
No, his rank in the Prussian Army was Captain happyslug Jul 2016 #11
What a wonderful essay! MADem Jul 2016 #13
Great lesson, thank you! masmdu Jul 2016 #17
Thanks for the info! smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #20
My several-times-great grandfather was a Captain in the Second Battalion, Cumberland (NJ) REP Jul 2016 #23
I have known about this for some time now ms liberty Jul 2016 #3
There is a high school in Chicago named for him , not far from where I used to live so I always Person 2713 Jul 2016 #4
OK...that is really cool.n/t ms liberty Jul 2016 #16
Steuben County New York is named after him, and Steuben Glassworks in Corning makes Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #18
Wow, I have heard of Steuben glassware ms liberty Jul 2016 #19
I had heard from a history pro friend that he was gay. Ilsa Jul 2016 #5
Benjamin Franklin wasn't gay. needledriver Jul 2016 #6
That's badass. liberalnarb Jul 2016 #7
Back in the day when all "old world" countries... 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #8
And let's pronounce him name correctly too, shall we? It's 'Fawn Shtoybann'. Aristus Jul 2016 #9
And the US Army was changing happyslug Jul 2016 #12
One of my ancestors was one of those German speaking soldiers. NutmegYankee Jul 2016 #14
Cool. Good to know. Aristus Jul 2016 #21
That unit had been out flanked, and broke as any unit would in such an attack happyslug Jul 2016 #22
... pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #15
Obligatory Drunk History version. Islandurp Jul 2016 #24
I was born in Steubenville, OH awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #25
I had no idea he was gay underpants Jul 2016 #26
There's a Drunk History episode about him. xmas74 Jul 2016 #27

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
1. History says he organized the troops which if left erratic would have lost
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jul 2016

I read a long time ago of him , how he came to help Gen.Washington at the right time .

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
11. No, his rank in the Prussian Army was Captain
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:39 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:09 PM - Edit history (3)

Von Steuben had been a commissioned officer, but promoted to general by Ben Frankin when Frankin was in France. It was well known Washington greatly admired Frederick the Great, who was still ruling Prussia at that time period. Thus sending a Prussian "General" to Washington was like sending a messenger from God to Washington.

Von Steuben is often called a "Sergeant" for one of the first thing he did was drill the men, which American Sergeants had always done, but demanded the officers do it also, so both officers and enlisted ranks would work better together.

The second thing Von Steuben did was write his " Blue book", which was how troops were to form up to fight. The US Army had used various drills before Von Steuben, but Von Steuben made the first book to be universally adopted by the US Army. The "Blue Book" is barely translated of the Prussian book of the same time period (one result is the US march pace is 120 paces to the minute, not the British 60 paces to the minute). The "Blue Book" covered how men were to march, where they were to stand on the battlefield, when they are to eat and even what to do when a soldier is sick (they were to be given a straw filled mattress, when the soldier was no longer sick, the Linen of the mattress were to be boiled and the straw burned and this was 100 years before doctors accepted the germ theory of disease).

Books like the "Blue Book" was classified in all Armies for it made clear what flags formed in the middle of a unit, and what flags were at the ends of the unit. Enlisted ranks formed up on those flags. Since units form up next to other units, all the enemy saw was a series of two flags. Which flags marked the middle of a unit and which flags marked were two units bordered each other was important in any attack. You wanted to charge the two end flags of any enemy you faced, not the two flags in the middle of a unit. If you Attack a unit head on, it will fall back on its center, if you hit two units on their flanks, each unit would fall back on its own center and a hole in the line would open up.

Once you understand the tactical significance of how units fought, the importance of what flag flew where was an important tactical advantage. Von Steuben thus advocated that his "Blue Book" be classified so that only senior officers would have it thus very little chance of the enemy finding out about it and using it against the US Army. Washington rejected that advice, Washington wanted the State Militia to be formed up on those same lines, thus Washington ordered it published so anyone could obtain one. Washington decided that it was better for everyone to know how to form up an American military unit even at the cost of the British also knowing that fact.

The "Blue Book" remained the US Army book of regulations till replaced in the 1850s by a book written by General Winfield Scott do to the switch from flintlock muskets to percussion muskets. To what extent the "Blue Book" was actually replaced by the time of of the US Civil War has been debated. The biggest issue is how did US Troops salute after about 1855 till about 1870. Before and after the US Army used the Prussian style salute, for that is how Von Steuben said to salute in his "Blue Book&quot the index finger on the eyebrow with the rest of the hand 90 degrees to the ground) Scott based his drill book on the French Army drill manual, which used what we in the US call the British Army style of Salute (the whole flat hand against the forehead).

More on von Steuben's "Blue Book" it does NOT actually go into how to make a Salute without arms:

https://archive.org/details/2575061R.nlm.nih.gov

Here is Scott's Manual of 1857, his description of how to do a salute is on page 32, section 246:

https://archive.org/details/0255005.nlm.nih.gov

"246. When a Soldier without arms, or with side arms only, meets an officer, he is to raise his right arm up to visor of his cap, palm to the front..."

Here is the 1841 Book of Regulations, that mention how to Salute on page 88, section 503 (In 1841 the US adopted the Percussion system of firing a musket, thus required some changes from the "Blue Book" and by 1840s pulp paper had been in use since 1801, replacing the much more expensive linen paper used prior to about 1830, thus a new book was needed and this time broken into numbered section as oppose to just pages and paragraphs).

https://archive.org/details/0255004.nlm.nih.gov

"503. When a Soldier without arms, or with side arms only, meets an officer, he is to continue to move on, but he is to raise his hands to his cap....."

Notice the difference as to HOW to Salute, in 1841 all its says is to bring one's hands up to his cap, in 1857 it clearly states the palm is to be forward, a term NOT in the 1841 regulations. Remember all salutes came from the medieval custom of tipping one's hat to a superior. When black powder came in, your hand became black with the powder, thus to keep the black soot off your hat, you just went through the motion of tipping the hat without touching it. Bringing one's hands up to your cap implies a Prussian style salute more then the English/French Style salute where the flat hand is presented to the superior.


Recent movies tend to show US forces using the English Salute based on Scott's drill book, but when you start seeing photographs of US soldiers saluting (only in the 1870s, cameras were to primitive during the US Civil War to capture troop in actual action thus no salutes in Civil War Photos), it is Prussian Style. By the 1870s Scott's book had been replaced do to the introduction of breech loading rifles. The Prussian military drill was what armies adopted after the Prussians defeated the French in the 1870 Franco-Prussian war. Thus it is possible that the present US Army Salute was re-adopted in the 1870s, but it is also possible it never really went away and when a new drill book was needed, the US Army reverted to what the troops were actually doing. Thus the historical debate and no way to actually solve it today (when the first movies about the Civil War were made, in the 1910s, 1920s and even the 1930s, soldiers are shown using Prussian style salutes, we still had veterans alive at that time period and I have NOT read about any of them complaining that the salutes in those movies were wrong, thus an argument that while Scott's manual made the switch, the troops may not have).

Even today the US Army traces its drill and ceremony formations to von Steuben and his "Blue Book", von Steuben set them up and the US Army follows those same basic guidelines to this day.

The importance of the "Blue Book" during the Revolution was made even more important when Washington made von Steuben in Inspector General of the US Army. Von Steuben expanded the power of the Inspector General so much that even today that office is much more important in the US Army then any other Army's Inspector General. Uniformity and maintenance of equipment fall under the authority of the US Army Inspector General and they do their inspectors as set up by von Steuben (with changes dictated by the change in technology since 1777).

One side note, the New England Militia of the colonial time period and during the Revolution was as good as any regular army troops of the same time period. They were well trained and organized. The middle colonies militia were not up to the militia of New England, but still considered good enough to fill in the line of any regulars. Von Steuben job was NOT getting these troops up to fighting ability but to make them more uniform.

Those troops, before von Steuben had even sailed from France to America, had done what Frederick the Great of Prussia called "the greatest military act of the age". When that act occurred the US Army was made up of mostly New England Militia, not regulars. The actual act was after being forced out of New York City, those troops had retreated across New Jersey and stayed intact. in the opinion of Frederick the Great of Prussia no other army in the world could have done that and that included Frederick and his Prussian Army. That is how good the New England Militia was during the Revolution. The middle states militia, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania had supported and supplied those retreating troops.

Unlike the Northern Militia, the Southern Militia was just poor (on the actual frontier, the southern militia was as good as the militia in the north, but once you were away from frontier the quality declined rapidly). The main reason for the overall poor quality was in the South (outside of the frontier) the militia was geared more to capturing run a way slaves and doing patrols to prevent such slaves from escaping their masters than doing actual military training. Thus when you read about the "useless militia" during the Revolution that generally is a northern general telling other northern generals not to rely on the southern militia like they had relay on northern militia. The difference in quality was that bad during the Revolution. Von Steuben's reforms had little affect on the southern militia for keeping the slaves from escaping remained the most important job of the Southern Militia, even then over 18,000 slaves escaped to British lines during the Revolution.

Von Steuben is an interesting character of the Revolution, very important to the US Army even long after he was dead, Steubenville Ohio is named after him)..

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
20. Thanks for the info!
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jul 2016

I am actually from upstate NY and grew up very near to a town (not really much of a town, more like an "area&quot named after him called Stueben. He died in Utica, NY which is about 20 minutes away from where I grew up. I had heard of him all my life, but never really knew much about him. Thank you for the interesting history!

REP

(21,691 posts)
23. My several-times-great grandfather was a Captain in the Second Battalion, Cumberland (NJ)
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jul 2016

He's the "Uncle Joshua" mentioned in George Ewing's A Soldier of Valley Forge.

ms liberty

(8,579 posts)
3. I have known about this for some time now
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jul 2016

I just have a hard time remembering his name, lol! When I talk about it, I usually call him "this Prussian dude whose name I can't remember."

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
4. There is a high school in Chicago named for him , not far from where I used to live so I always
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jul 2016

remember the 'Von Steuben'part

http://www.vonsteuben.org/#

Von Steuben Metropolitan Science Center (VSMSC) is named for Baron Frederick Wilhelm Von Steuben (1730—1794), a Prussian officer, commissioned by George Washington in 1777 to train inexperienced American revolutionary troops at Valley Forge. His regulations for the order and discipline of the colonials became the army’s standard drill manual, the Regulations for the Order and Discipline of the Troops of the United States, which remained the official military manual until 1814.

Von Steuben Metropolitan Science Center has not always been known by that name. In fact, the facade of the building refers to the building as home to Von Steuben Senior High School. That was true from 1933 to 1982.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. Steuben County New York is named after him, and Steuben Glassworks in Corning makes
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jul 2016

famous glassware. I remember his name because of the glassware.

ms liberty

(8,579 posts)
19. Wow, I have heard of Steuben glassware
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jul 2016

But did not know that there was a county named after him. I'm loving this thread, so much info! Edited to add - maybe the glassware fact is the one I need to help me remember his name, lol!
It is threads like this that keep me from dumping DU forever, even now when there are so many posts and members that infuriate me...You're not one of those though, Blue - I really admire your patience and on point responses!

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
5. I had heard from a history pro friend that he was gay.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jul 2016

Good to know how the information was spread. I wouldn't want to be accused of making it up.

 

needledriver

(836 posts)
6. Benjamin Franklin wasn't gay.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jul 2016

Steuben can do all the training he likes. Without the treaty Franklin negotiated with France, the nascent United States would have run out of uniforms, muskets, navy, and money by 1779.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
7. That's badass.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jul 2016

There were probably many gay people who fought for our independence in the Revolutionary War, though they were forced to suppress their sexuality.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
8. Back in the day when all "old world" countries...
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:48 AM
Jul 2016

were constantly at war with each other. The "good old days."

And to think that we have this whole new crop of dumbasses that want us to return to those times. If those who think that way would only confine their killing to each other the world would be a far better place. But no, they INSIST on dragging the whole world into their self-made Hell EVERY TIME. A pox upon them and their ilk.

Aristus

(66,381 posts)
9. And let's pronounce him name correctly too, shall we? It's 'Fawn Shtoybann'.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jul 2016

My favorite story about him has to do with his poor command of the English language. He would get frustrated with the bumbling colonial troops during drilling exercises, and unleash a torrent of German insults, threats, and abuse. When he ran out of those, he would order his English-language interpreter: Come here and swear for me in English!"

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
12. And the US Army was changing
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:01 AM
Jul 2016

Prior to 1777, Washington's Army had been made up of New England Militia, thus was the army that drove the British out of Boston, fought to hold New York City, retreated across New Jersey and won the battles of Trenton and Princeton and forced the British back to New York City.

In 1777 most of those New Englanders went home (through many stayed on) for their enlistment were up. They were replaced by recruits from Pennsylvania and the other middle colonies. By the time of the Revolution, Pennsylvania was already majority German, thus by the time von Steuben arrived, most of the troops knew German OR knew someone who knew German. Thus his lack of English was a minor problem.

Von Steuben biggest accomplishment was getting officers to drill with the enlisted ranks. For various reasons colonial officers just did not do that (and this was complicated by the switch from New England Militia to "Regulars", something Washington supported, but the new Regulars were recruited out of the Militia of the various states along with their officers and unlike the militia not always from the same town or area of the state). Von Steuben convinced Washington to order the officers to do so (probably by von Steuben telling Washington that is how Frederick the Great ran the Prussian Army, Washington thought Frederick the greatest then living general, thus if von Steuben said Frederick did it, that was good enough for Washington to adopt).

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
14. One of my ancestors was one of those German speaking soldiers.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:57 AM
Jul 2016

Born to parents from Hessia who had come over in 1752, he fought in the Continental Army. I always love the fact that he was full blooded hessian and fought the Hessian mercenaries of the British.

Aristus

(66,381 posts)
21. Cool. Good to know.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jul 2016

What I had known prior to reading your post is that one of the changes had to do with the poor showing of the Minute Men at the Battle of Brooklyn Heights. They dropped their muskets and ran, precipitating the wholesale loss of the battle for the colonials.

That prompted a switch from the old system of the ready-in-a-minute militia troops who served only a short enlistment, to trained soldiers on a long enlistment, or even 'for the duration'.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
22. That unit had been out flanked, and broke as any unit would in such an attack
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:08 PM - Edit history (2)

The person to blame for that defeat was Washington, he missed the flanking maneuver but he blamed the troops, who caught out flanked did the only thing they could do, runaway. The troops actually stayed together and retreated to the camp, they did not break into individuals running away. For doing what any troops would do in such a situation the troops gets the blame, for otherwise you have to blame Washington and most historians do not want to do that.

Washington was the Reagan of his time period, gave the appearance of being a great general but as a whole a poor one. Now Washington was a much better politician than Reagan ever was, but as a general and politician worked best as the front man of much better generals and politicians.

General Charles Lee had served in the British Army and had advised Washinton NOT to try to hold New York City (holding onto an island when the other side has naval superiority was just insane). Lee wanted to hold the army back and attack when the odds were in his favor, Washington wanted to attack. Lee ended up commanding Fort Dix by the end of the Revolution, but only after the French had intervened.

General Gates, another ex British officer, is often attacked as a rival of Washington, but he improved the paperwork if the US army so that Washington had a better understanding of how strong his army was on a day to day basis then did any British general fighting the US Army as to the Brtish general's troops. Gates ended up in a huge defeat in the south and replaced by Greene, but by the end of the Revolution, Gates was back on Washington's staff.

Greene was by far the best general the US had doing the Revolution, understood that you have to win the war not battles and proceeded to lose every battle he fought, but drove the British back to Charleston and forced Cornwallis to go to Yorktown, where the French Army forced Cornwallis to surrender.

At Yorktown, if you exclude the Virginia Militia who dug most of trenches, the French regulars out numbered the US Army Regulars and thus did most of the fighting. It was the French Combat Engineers, who designed the trench system to take Yorktown, the Virginia Militia, who dug those trenches, and the French Fleet that denied any British relief to Yorktown, that won that siege. Washington was just the technical head if of the army.

Washington was much like Reagan, someone who could played the part of a leader and had the good luck to have people around him to get something done. The Generals around Washington are impressive, many were forced down his throat by Congress (Charles Lee, Gates, among others). Washington valued other generals, but that included Benedict Arnold (who had a good reputation till he decided to defect to the British).

The battle of Brooklyn Heights from Wikipedia:

Six-thousand troops were to remain behind at Brooklyn Heights. There was one lesser-known pass through the heights farther to the east called the Jamaica Pass. This pass was defended by just five militia officers on horses.

On the British side, General Clinton learned of the almost undefended Jamaica Pass from local Loyalists. Clinton drew up a plan and gave it to William Erskine to propose to Howe. Clinton's plan had the main army making a night march and going through the Jamaica Pass to turn the American flank while other troops would keep the Americans busy in front. On August 26, Clinton received word from Howe that the plan would be used, and that Clinton was to command the advance guard of the main army of 10,000 men on the march through the Jamaica Pass. While they made the night march, General James Grant's British troops along with some Hessians, a total of 4,000 men, were to attack the Americans in front to distract them from the main army coming on their flank.[53] Howe told Clinton to be ready to move out that night, August 26......

Howe fired his signal guns at 09:00 and the Hessians began to attack up Battle Pass while the main army came at Sullivan from the rear. Sullivan left his advance guard to hold off the Hessians while he turned the rest of his force around to fight the British. Heavy casualties mounted between the Americans and the British and men on both sides fled out of fear. Sullivan attempted to calm his men and tried to lead a retreat. By this point the Hessians had overrun the advance guard on the heights and the American left had completely collapsed. Hand-to-hand fighting followed with the Americans swinging their muskets and rifles like clubs to save their own lives. Many of the Americans who surrendered were bayoneted by the Hessians. Sullivan, despite the chaos, managed to evacuate most of his men to Brooklyn Heights though he himself was captured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Long_Island

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
27. There's a Drunk History episode about him.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jul 2016

My daughter and her friends have actually learned a lot from that show.

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