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gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:14 AM Jul 2016

CIA knew it had the wrong man, but kept him anyway

From the Tribune Washington Bureau:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cia-knew-it-had-the-wrong-man-but-kept-him-anyway/ar-AAi2kwo?li=BBnb7Kz

BERLIN — By January of 2004, when German citizen Khaleed al-Masri arrived at the Central Intelligence Agency’s secret prison in Afghanistan, agency officials were pretty sure he wasn’t a terrorist. They also knew he didn’t know any terrorists, or much about anything in the world of international terror.

In short, they suspected they’d nabbed the wrong man.

. . .

Adding to the sense of injustice: Even though the agency realized early on that al-Masri was the wrong man, it couldn’t figure out how to release him without having to acknowledge its mistake. The agency eventually dumped him unceremoniously in Albania and essentially pretended his arrest and detention had never happened.

The release of the report, which is 90 pages long and was written in July 2007, came in June after a Freedom of Information Act suit by the American Civil Liberties Union, which is representing al-Masri in his decadelong attempt to get an official apology from the United States.


Just makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it? We can't even apologize to this guy.
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merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. When the US government does something wrong, it owns it and promptly commences amends.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:33 AM
Jul 2016

Everyone knows that. This is just another "conspiracy theory."

(Note to self: Destroy potentially revealing records more often.)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. Some deflection there.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:43 AM
Jul 2016

My post was about U.S. government and so-called "conspiracy theories" and did not specify any time frame.

Obama is certainly not all of U.S. government and certainly not all of US government for all time, past, present or future. The events in the OP occurred years before he took office. Similar events may well occur after he leaves office. Who knows? Similar events may even have occurred while he was in office, with or without his knowledge. Moreover, Republicans are not the only ones who block Obama's good efforts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21detain.html?_r=0

http://www.bobcesca.com/congress-votes-against-closing-gitmo-again-and-again/

And everything is not about Obama. My post sure wasn't.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
6. I'm certainly not "all about Obama"
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:18 AM
Jul 2016

Your links are about legislation dealing with transferring prisoners to the U.S., and about closing Gitmo, not release of prisoners.

My point was simply that the release of prisoners by the U.S. government has been sought by the current Administration, but that has been blocked by the Repubican-controlled Congress, which has prohibited release to certain countries--which happen to be the only countries to which the prisoners can be released.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. And the point of your Reply 3, as you describe it, was not some deflection from my Reply 2?
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:30 AM
Jul 2016

The OP is about the CIA refusing to acknowledge that it had arrested someone who was not a terrorist. So was my Reply 2.

The links in my reply 5 were about my statement about Obama's good efforts being blocked, not about your statement.

This seems like an odd conversation.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
8. No, deflection was not my intention
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:50 AM
Jul 2016

My concern is not only about CIA refusing to acknowledge a mistake, but the failure to release someone when the charges are determined to be unfounded. Holding people in captivity long after the determination that they don't belong there.

That's a bigger injustice than an agency's refusal to acknowledge a mistake.

We're on the same side here.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. It's not about sides or concerns or intent. It's about replying about Obama and Republicans
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:56 AM
Jul 2016

when my post and the OP had nothing to do with either of those subjects. That's pretty much the definition of deflection in posting.

I think we've about beaten this to death, tho'. Enjoy the Fourth!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
10. Note the title of the thread: CIA knew it had the wrong man, but kept him anyway
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:59 AM
Jul 2016

Happy Independence Day!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. You replied to my Post #2, not to the thread title, but none of the following had a thing to do with
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:00 AM
Jul 2016

Republicans blocking Obama: The title of the thread, the OP, my Reply 2, to which you purported to reply. Sorry, dude but your "reply" to me had nothing to do with my Reply 2 and, as already stated, that is just about the definition of deflection while posting. Not sure why you can't either move on or admit that.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
15. That is just sick, sick, sick. Way beyopond criminal. The authorities
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jul 2016

responsible are an absolute disgrace to the US.

They must have found a perverse pleasure in it in the Abu Ghraib hell-hole, and similar institutions.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
16. Multiple issues here
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jul 2016

Treatment of prisoners, failure to release when cleared, and failure to acknowledge the history of what hapened and is happening.

Each is worth multiple books.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
17. But failure to release a person, when they've been cleared
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jul 2016

of any offence, seems likely to be historically unique, outside of a Kafka novel.

Of course, a culture with a propensity for slavery wouldn't be too fussy, since possession of cunningly physiologically-absorbed, contraband melanin would be a hard case to defend in a court of law ; irrespective of whether driving a motor vehicle or not, when apprehended.

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