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malaise

(269,004 posts)
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:54 PM Jul 2016

I finally found a picture of Denny Hastert (ReTHUGs longest serving Speaker of the House)

Last edited Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)

being wheeled into prison - good read as well
I hope Dems have ads in November with Denny Hastert


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-dennis-hastert-reports-to-prison-met-20160622-story.html
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The multibuilding Rochester facility sits on a sprawling campus and was once home to former U.S. Rep. Dan Rostenkowski, television evangelist Jim Bakker and Bob Probert, the former Chicago Blackhawks enforcer

It is one of only five such prison hospitals that serve male inmates at all security levels. Besides Hastert, the most recognizable inmate currently housed there is Jared Loughner, the perpetrator of the 2011 Tucson, Ariz., shooting that killed six people and injured then-U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Although it is a federal prison, the tranquil location has more of a hospital-like setting. Security is focused around the perimeter and inmates may move around — outside of designated count times — with relative freedom. Staff is not armed within the buildings.

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I finally found a picture of Denny Hastert (ReTHUGs longest serving Speaker of the House) (Original Post) malaise Jul 2016 OP
Democratic candidates have so much ammunition available to them PJMcK Jul 2016 #1
Agreed malaise Jul 2016 #4
I don't believe Democratic candidates should use this. I believe their PACs should. BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #53
There's nothing quite like razor wire TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #2
Indeed malaise Jul 2016 #6
Yes, but they aren't working. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #8
Tee Hee. Giggle. Snort. Marie Marie Jul 2016 #21
LOL Scurrilous Jul 2016 #38
He's trying to hide jmowreader Jul 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #3
Dems and other Lefts too young to remember who the players were in that drama need to be.... Hekate Jul 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #18
Rest asured,these major stories Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #5
And they sure have facts on this one malaise Jul 2016 #7
Something in the Water me things. Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #14
And most of what they throw at Dems malaise Jul 2016 #16
Here in Nevada,it appears Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #19
It's amazing malaise Jul 2016 #23
Reid camp went all quite when Ensign Wellstone ruled Jul 2016 #40
Excerpt: "There are no (federal prison) country clubs anymore. That myth has been dispelled," MagickMuffin Jul 2016 #9
It is a country club malaise Jul 2016 #11
I agree with you, MagickMuffin Jul 2016 #13
Well shit, LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #29
Shouldn't he be in an Illinois prison TexasProgresive Jul 2016 #10
Thanks malaise Jul 2016 #12
looks to me onethatcares Jul 2016 #22
Probably running from the media malaise Jul 2016 #42
What "incidents" are you speaking of? Boomer Jul 2016 #28
Thanks, I forgot about that. TexasProgresive Jul 2016 #30
Banks are federally chartered jmowreader Jul 2016 #35
I got that, now. I was thinking he was convicted of child molestation. TexasProgresive Jul 2016 #45
It's a little bit different jmowreader Jul 2016 #49
Just a question - has Hasterts pic been removed from asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #17
Not as far as I know and even better yet the Hastert rule malaise Jul 2016 #20
Actually it has! BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #24
I don't think they should jmowreader Jul 2016 #36
He gets 15 months for abusing children. If only he had been growing his own medical marijuana Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #25
You're misinformed Boomer Jul 2016 #27
Yep n/t malaise Jul 2016 #34
Right. But we all know that's his actual crime. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #46
Lied to the FBI, boy must be nice to be a former congressman. Rex Jul 2016 #32
Are you saying maindawg Jul 2016 #41
No that was just another charge they dropped, he lied to the FBI, committed fraud Rex Jul 2016 #43
Nope, there's a statute of limitations on absuing kids, apparently. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #47
Should be wearing a sandwich board stating-Still Drawing My Congressional Pension Suckers. kairos12 Jul 2016 #26
Good keep an eye on that predator. nt Rex Jul 2016 #31
K&R... spanone Jul 2016 #37
timely enid602 Jul 2016 #39
Don the Con isn't tweeting about that one! malaise Jul 2016 #44
Don enid602 Jul 2016 #50
Everyone should be screaming, calling, texting every time the Repugs IllinoisBirdWatcher Jul 2016 #48
You know what? If one of us had done what Hastert had, God forbid, PatrickforO Jul 2016 #51
+1,000 malaise Jul 2016 #52
He got off too easy. Solly Mack Jul 2016 #54

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
1. Democratic candidates have so much ammunition available to them
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jul 2016

Any Democratic candidate for office, from the presidency down to the lowest local office, has so much honest, factual and provable information to campaign with that it will be unbelievable if we don't see an electoral blowout.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
53. I don't believe Democratic candidates should use this. I believe their PACs should.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jul 2016

If Democratic candidates use Hastert as a reason we shouldn't vote for Repubs, it will make them appear desperate. Hastert looks like a sad and dilapidated man in that wheelchair. Besides, the Repubs will come back with their own ads that will target Dems that haven't been exactly "clean", and guess which side the M$M will take and give the best exposure to under the guise of "news"?

I think it's a better strategy to have Democratic Party-supporting PACS make ads using Hastert IF they choose to take that route. Remember, it weren't Democrats who took the "47%" video of Mitt Romney. It were Democratic Party friendly operatives who did. And it crushed Romney in the G.E. because it had legitimacy.

Response to malaise (Original post)

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
15. Dems and other Lefts too young to remember who the players were in that drama need to be....
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jul 2016

....thoroughly taught by those of us who had to live through it. Every fricking one of Bill's accusers was a sexual miscreant himself, plus rolling in the mud of financial and political corruption.

All they've heard in their young lives is the RW version; I plead with them to listen to us.

Dems and other Lefts who are well old enough to remember and still choose to carry water for the RW should be called out for what they are, but I leave it to you to decide what that is.

Response to Hekate (Reply #15)

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Rest asured,these major stories
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jul 2016

will not show in a Campaign. For some inane reason,the consultant's hired to run Democratic Campaigns,for the most part shy away from using hard nose tactics or titillating stories. When you have the facts,run with it.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. Something in the Water me things.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jul 2016

Grew up in the Upper Midwest,and this turn the other cheek crap in our Democratic Party used to really bite. Party Leaders were so damn afraid to ruffle the Rethugs feathers with facts. You never know,they might use something against us. Well,they make crap up out of whole cloth and through at us every friggin day.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
16. And most of what they throw at Dems
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jul 2016

they make up. Just imagine if Ensign or Hastert were Dems - this would be all they discuss

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
19. Here in Nevada,it appears
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

the Democratic Party gave Ensign a big wet kiss. And of course the local press would not go there and never once did Harry Reid really challenge Ensign. So the Rethugs just moved another POS into his spot to fill out his term. Smells to high hell on that one.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
40. Reid camp went all quite when Ensign
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jul 2016

left. Seems to me he had a sugar daddy that cleaned up his mess. Not a word of as to the Guy the Rethugs selected to replace him. Heard scuttle butt about a Ensign Reid connection in Henderson,nobody will verify it. Interesting how things work out,old Harry got the knife and he finally figured out who his real friends are. No more Mr.Nice Guy,and the Dems here are not messing around and calling their opponents to task.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
9. Excerpt: "There are no (federal prison) country clubs anymore. That myth has been dispelled,"
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jul 2016
But, prison experts said, make no mistake: Hastert will be subject to traditional prison rules and regulations that include a strip search upon entry, random shakedown searches, urine testing for drugs and he will have to submit a DNA sample. He won't be kept in a locked cell and rarely would be handcuffed or shackled, but Hastert will have to follow regulations that dictate when he eats, sleeps and showers.


He may speak on the phone for up to 300 minutes per month and share an embrace with loved ones on designated visiting days each week. He'll have access to a shared television room, newspapers, a law library, and indoor and outdoor fitness and recreation.




Sounds like a country club prison to me!


LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
29. Well shit,
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jul 2016

why don't they bring a little boy in for him to fondle once a week? They wouldn't want to be insensitive to his needs, would they?

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
10. Shouldn't he be in an Illinois prison
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jul 2016

Why was he tried in federal court? Did some of the incidents cross state lines?
Here's your pic. Some image links need to have jpeg added to the end. and some still won't show. I always do a preview to check.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
22. looks to me
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jul 2016

like he's too damn stupid to use the sidewalks.

Wouldn't that be easier than wheelchairing over grass?

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
28. What "incidents" are you speaking of?
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jul 2016

Hastert isn't imprisoned because he's a sexual predator, he's in prison because he broke federal financial regulations. The sexual exploitation of minors happened too long ago to be prosecuted.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
30. Thanks, I forgot about that.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jul 2016

I wonder why there are limits on prosecuting sexual assault. Those boys, now men are still suffering. He should at least be punished for them.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
35. Banks are federally chartered
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jul 2016

Using a bank to structure his hush money payments throws this into the federal court system.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
45. I got that, now. I was thinking he was convicted of child molestation.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jul 2016

This is a case of Al Capone- couldn't get him on his most heinous crimes so got him on tax evasion.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
49. It's a little bit different
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jul 2016

Al Capone needed to go to jail for a really long time. The feds knew he'd done a LOT of things - tax evasion, Volstead Act, Mann Act (one of his first jobs was as an enforcer in a brothel that was built half in Illinois and half in Indiana; when cops from one state came to raid the place everyone ran to the side in the other state), quite a few murders, rapes, robberies, protection rackets...you name it and he'd done it. They also knew Capone had bought his way out of beefs for a long time, and if they tried him on everything at once there was a chance he'd beat it all, and then...



So, different tactics were employed: They broke the Capone case up into chunks - tax evasion was a case, Volstead Act was one, murder, and so on - with plans to haul him back to court until they were able to put him away. Fortunately for the feds, they got a conviction the first time they tried.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
36. I don't think they should
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jul 2016

I think they should put that sumbitch right on the wall in very plain sight, and add a sign that says what he did and where he wound up.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. He gets 15 months for abusing children. If only he had been growing his own medical marijuana
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

he might be doing 10 years or more.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
27. You're misinformed
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jul 2016

Hastert is not in prison for child molestation. He's in prison for breaking financial regulations concerning the movement of money. During that investigation, it was revealed that he was a sexual abuser, but the statue of limitations ran out on that transgression.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
46. Right. But we all know that's his actual crime.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jul 2016

And I suspect if he had had some pot plants in his basement, the statute of limitations wouldn't be so lenient.


http://www.wptv.com/news/region-martin-county/stuart/stuart-woman-faces-10-years-in-prison-in-medical-marijuana-case

(yes. I realize I'm comparing apples to wheelbarrows, but the fact of the matter is we let violent criminals out of prison to make room for non-violent drug offenders)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. Lied to the FBI, boy must be nice to be a former congressman.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jul 2016

Nobody on this forum would get that kind of treatment, good thing he wasn't growing weed out in the back yard.

Notice how some people hate hearing that?

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
41. Are you saying
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jul 2016

He is in prison because he lied for he FBI ? And they cannot charge him with molesting children ? I thought there was no limit on that crime .
And that is not a prison. I would like to book a month there myself.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
43. No that was just another charge they dropped, he lied to the FBI, committed fraud
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jul 2016

and raped young men in his charge when he was a wrestling coach. Of all those, he only faced fraud charges. You, me and anyone else on this forum would have been thrown in prison for at least 25 years.

Plus he gets all the benefits of being a congress person. He got off easy, because of his huge political-business footprint.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
47. Nope, there's a statute of limitations on absuing kids, apparently.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jul 2016

If he had grown a pot plant, though, they could probably still charge him.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
39. timely
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jul 2016

I think that the Hastert case is particularly timely, especially when you consider that the then 13 year old girl's rape lawsuit against Trump, which was thrown out of court in May in California for technical reasons, was re filed again in New York 13 days ago.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
50. Don
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jul 2016

Too soon to see if the lawsuit has no merit or if it has wings. If it has wings, Donald can't really settle without creating an uproar. Apparently, Epstein has already settled out of court with regard to two other similar cases.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
48. Everyone should be screaming, calling, texting every time the Repugs
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jul 2016

invoke their self-proclaimed Hastert "rule" to deny votes on serious issues.

Since they don't seem to call their "rule" by name these days, we should constantly remind the general public how they celebrate their hero worship of a serial child abuser.

Hastert and his "rule" should be a major issue in this campaign.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
51. You know what? If one of us had done what Hastert had, God forbid,
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jul 2016

and were confined to a wheelchair like he is, I suspect the justice system would take a giant shit on us.

Since a wheelchair is dangerous because you could conceivably make a weapon out of parts of it, they would confiscate it. Same with walkers, crutches, canes, etc. Nope, could be a weapon!

So we'd get to CRAWL for the five or ten years we'd get instead of the lightweight sentence Hastert got.

This is pretty fucked up.

I think Congress should have to abide by the same crap they foist off on us. Same healthcare. Same Social Security. Same 'justice' system.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
54. He got off too easy.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jul 2016

Doesn't matter how long he stays in prison or even if he dies there. I believe there are more victims. The Illinois General Assembly had a Legislative Staff Intern Program when he was a state rep and the House had a page program when he was first elected to Congress.

He also lead a Boy Scout group.

No one will ever convince me he just stopped.





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