Well, that settles it for me -Indisputable Proof Jesus existed

[packman]

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One of the strangest nuts that fell off the Pecan tree, is offering proof to the world that Jesus Christ existed and we all have that proof - The calendar. Of course, it's so clear - Why didn't I see it there on my wall? Jesus Christ, walked the earth.


Phil, I'm O.K., Robertson of the Duck Family at a conference (love that - gathering of loons) spoke about bathrooms and same sex marriage, "But the strangest moment of all may have been when he offered “proof” of Jesus Christ: the calendar.

“It is 2,016 years since Jesus showed up, right?” he said. “So don’t tell me he wasn’t here.” WOW - Good enough, the Vatican is good for another 2,000 years.

Hey, Phil - that calendar was sorta forced down humanities throat wasn't it . And how about the various other calendar's being used in other countries and other religions?


More of lunacy and video at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/phil-robertson-proof-of-jesus_us_577b0250e4b09b4c43c0f4aa?section=

video: - Good for a laff

http://dai.ly/x4jkxh5

[sharp_stick]

1. That family probably has the least used bathtub

in history. Every one of them looks filthy all the time. I know it's just an idiotic costume but damn it's gross.

[Major Nikon]

24. Are you counting how many people use it, or how often they change the water?

[whatthehey]

2. Then which damn kid was Herod, who died in 4 BCE, trying to kill?

And come to think of it why did the other 3 gospels and every single secular writer or historian of the age fail to mention a neonatal genocide? You'd think it would cause comment...

[matt819]

3. OMG

Jews: It's the year 5776
Muslims: It's the year 1437
Mayans: Roughly 5130, but it's hard to follow
Hindus: 5118, depending on calculations
Buddhist year: 2559

I don't think it's the Yanomami who are the most isolated tribe. It's got to be the duck dynasty folks (mallard morons?), given their lack of language or reasoning.

I'm afraid their collective heads would explode if they were exposed to the alternatives above.

[psychmommy]

4. There is no question that Jesus existed. He has been documented in literature other than the Bible.

The question that everyone wants to know is if he is the Messiah?

[xocet]

7. Really? What documents indicate that he ever existed? Can you cite any works that would have been

contemporary with the proposed lifetime of Jesus?

[whatthehey]

9. The closest is Tacitus, but he's possibly just relaying the beliefs of Christians

And that was several decades later. Josephus is an obviously later interpolation. There is no real contemporary non-hagiographical reference, which is unusual for such a notorious miracle worker. Far less popular and apparently successful wonderworkers got mentioned.

[Xolodno]

15. Well...there wouldn't be much reference anyway.

On the Jewish front, Christians were considered a cult and even the Talmud attempts to discredit (i.e. inferring he was a sorcerer, which was considered very repulsive). Had not some of the Apostles start including gentiles, it would have probably at best, remained an obscure Jewish Cult or Cults.

On the Roman front, you are essentially talking about making a record of an obscure Jewish philosopher and wanderer who didn't venture too far. The only thing the Romans would be concerned about was if he was inciting the populace to revolt.

And when the Romans did lay siege and sack Jerusalem, the event is prominently recorded in Jewish and Christian histories. But in the view of the Roman Empire...you have an obscure arch with etchings marking the victory.

Even the Gospels allude to that when Jesus was brought before Pontious Pilate....he didn't have a clue as to who he was. When you remove all the "Christian Fluff" about Jesus, even the Gospels make the case that he wasn't all that popular and the Sanhedrin disliked him because he exposed the corruption at the Temple Priesthood.

And many of the miracles were often dismissed as it implies in the Gospels. A healing was rebuffed as staged or via sorcery. The Resurrection, his disciples stole the body, etc.

So its unlikely to find much written about him on the outside. And if there were a few other mentions, those records were probably destroyed/suppressed under the directive of the Ecumenical Councils if it didn't line up to the message they wanted.

[whatthehey]

18. Others got mentioned

Honi, Apollonius of Tyana, hell we even have more external mentions of Simon Magus.

[Chathamization]

21. And others didn't. Historians largely agree that Jesus existed. Jesus mythicism is a fringe view

that mostly shows that atheists are as susceptible to accepting wacky theories as theists.

[Xolodno]

22. True, but...

Honi is considered a hero. Hence why he's prominently mentioned.

Apollonius was Greek and well connected.

Jesus....to a number was some broke pretender claiming lineage to the House David who was from some backwards and backwoods area known as Nazareth. He may have had some connections in regard to the Priesthood, but its obvious he ran afoul of them.

I'm actually making the argument harder here for the existence of a historical Jesus to be verified. Plus there were a number of Jewish Cults with leaders claiming to be miracle workers around this time. I doubt all of them got recorded, much less have surviving documentation.

The Christian Cult survived and grew because of some of the Apostles were open to converting gentiles.

[Drahthaardogs]

25. Hmm, but they found the slate with Pilot's inscription

and there was no written text of him outside the Gospels.

and then they found Caiaphas's ossuary. He too is only recorded in the Gospels.

Even G.A. Wells the premier Jesus mythologist now concedes that there was almost certainly a man claiming to be the Messiah preaching around the Sea of Galilee

[Major Nikon]

26. Not exactly

We know that someone by Jesus' Hebrew name existed and that he was crucified. Beyond that, nothing. So there's nothing historical that ties the Jesus of the bible to the historical person who lived and was executed during that time.

As far as Messianic claims go, the two qualifying lineages listed in the bible contradict each other and neither qualifies Jesus as having a valid Messianic claim. Christians hedge their bets by claiming Jesus is the literal son of god, which is also contradictory to many NT verses, but even if he were, that would also nullify his Messianic claim.

[psychmommy]

32. Jesus is mentioned in both the Koran and Talmud

referred to as Isa and Yeshu. He was mentioned by different historians including:
Thallus, Tacitus, Josephus, Phlegon-look it up. The info is at all of your fingertips. He crossed over other religions but was considered a prophet-not the son of God.

[Major Nikon]

33. The Quran wasn't written until the 7th century

Phlegon of Tralles lived during the 2nd century. Kinda silly to reference things written over a century after mainstream Christianity was in full swing as proof of a historical Jesus.

Thallus never mentioned Jesus so it's even more silly to mention him.

References to Jesus in the Talmud are ambiguous at best, considering the Hebrew version of Jesus was a very common name. Later references written well after the time of Christ were in response to the Christian gospels. While this mention is popular among some Christian apologists, among everyone else it's too silly to mention.

The best references to a historical Jesus by Josephus is editorial editing inserted by Christian scribes and is most certainly not authentic. What most scholars do consider authentic contain only a passing reference to a person with the same name and same brother's name(both extremely common) which may or may not refer to an actual historical Jesus and even if it does contains almost no other information.

Tacitus wrote about Jesus decades later and made almost no mention other than he was crucified.

So yeah, all that information is also at your fingertips, and shows exactly what I previously said which is we know that someone by Jesus' Hebrew name existed and that he was crucified. Beyond that, nothing.

[psychmommy]

34. It proves my point also

that Jesus existed. The question is whether he was the messiah.

[MohRokTah]

5. The Vatican failed to get the start date correct.

Based upon the stories of the Christ Child, he could never have been born after 4BCE. That's when Herod died.

What a fucking base moron. That's like Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron proving that evolution is false because BANANAS!

[Initech]

8. Yeah because Kirk Cameron is the guy I want teaching me evolution!

[Initech]

6. I seriously want to believe that these morons aren't for real.

Like every thing they do is just an act. Like its's just entertainment and pandering to the uber religious. That's all it is, right?

[DawgHouse]

10. Oh my goodness, this reminds me of a conversation I had with a coworker some years ago.

Me: You know, we have no idea what Jesus looked like.
Coworker: Yes, we know what he looked like. We have a picture of him from that painting.
Me: From that painting? What painting?
Coworker: The one of him with the disciples eating at the table.
Me: The Last Supper by DaVinci? You think Jesus and the disciples POSED for that?

[packman]

11. Gotta have some understanding of that

I grew up with that white skinned, blue -eyed, brown flaxen hair Jesus picture above my bed and for me, for many a year, was Jesus



Now we know that based on the typical Jew at that time, he probably looked like this:



Which, God bless her, my mother would NEVER hang on her wall.

[whatthehey]

13. Yeah but he took after his Dad...

[DawgHouse]

14. I'm pretty sure that what started our discussion was the tv show about

what Jesus actually looked like, which suggested the second pic you posted.

[DawgHouse]

20. That first picture is the one that I grew up with too.

I have several vacation bible school projects using that one. I never noticed until now how thin his hair is on the top.

[trof]

27. Everbody knows Jesus was white and spoke English. It's in the bible.

Do you see Jesus speaking Jew or some Ayrab shit in the bible?
NO!
He speaks English.
It's right there for you to read for yourself.

[thucythucy]

12. You're both wrong.

It was a selfie.

[sarisataka]

17. We know exactly what happened

At the Last Supper. Luckily video evidence fills in some gaps the writings left-

[DawgHouse]

19. I forgot about that!

[Separation]

16. HA!

Phil, I'm O.K., Robertson of the Duck Family at a conference (love that - gathering of loons)

Ha1 Loons get it?! loons...ducks..quack1

ba dum tiss

[Yavin4]

23. I've seen Jesus.

He was a catcher in the Yankees farm system.

[trof]

28. No hell, that was some guy named Haysoos.

Not the same thing at all.

[Cursive]

29. That reminds me...

[Mendocino]

30. Jesus Saves....

....at Damascus 1st National.

[chknltl]

31. He is in most phone books too. nt