Jim Bob Duggar: Molestation Is Common In Christian Families

[KamaAina]

http://reverbpress.com/news/jim-bob-duggar-molestation-common-christian-families-video/

Jim Bob Duggar dropped a bomb about Christian families like his own that everyone missed during the disastrous Fox News interview last June.

Perhaps it was just another way to excuse his son Josh’s pedophilia, or perhaps he was throwing other crazy conservative “Christian” families under a speeding bus, but either way, Jim Bob Duggar made a statement to Fox News that seems to prove just how dangerous sexually repressive Christian doctrine is to children and teens.

As Jim Bob Duggar spoke while his subservient wife stayed quiet, he claimed that child molestation is common in Christian families, especially the families he sought advice from in the wake of learning that Josh molested four of his own sisters while they slept.

“It was a very difficult situation. But as we talked to other parents and different ones since then, a lot of families have said that they have had similar things that happened in their families.”

[hollysmom]

1. another good reason to be an atheist.

[AllTooEasy]

49. ...because child molestation is cured by atheism, ofcourse

Why do folks generalize so much? A lot of my fellow Blacks blame it on him being White - another asinine generalization.

[runaway hero]

53. How many black child molesters do you know?

Probably almost zero, we don't do that.

[TipTok]

58. What?

Seriously?

No ethnic group is immune from this garbage. That includes you and yours.

However you want to define it.

10 seconds on google...

http://madamenoire.com/104917/scandals-at-the-alter-10-black-church-leaders-whove-incited-controversy-and-doubt/

[runaway hero]

65. fair enough

[Humanist_Activist]

72. Wow, shit, that has to be one of the dumbest, most thoughtless posts on DU. n/t

[Bucky]

88. Oh dear lord. No you didn't come here to spout that ignorance.

I can think of at least five African American women within my circle of friends who were victims of child sexual abuse, all but one of whom were abused or raped by family members. Child abuse cuts across all demographic groups. There is no magic protecting any race or culture or religion or any other population group from this kind of horror.

[backscatter712]

60. You'd be amazed how much religious sexual repression contributes to the problem.

Gasoline on the fire.

Tell people that the Fairy Godfather is telling them they're going to burn in the Eternal Torture Dungeon if they wank off, and watch their sexuality get warped...

[PJMcK]

51. It's so easy to be an atheist

You don't have to do anything. Except use logic.

[hollysmom]

75. logic is hard for a lot of people n/t

[Lithos]

69. I've known an Atheist who was a child molester

He himself was molested as a child... Atheism does not make you immune.

What does help is a healthy environment which allows people to grow, not retard this aspect of themselves.

L-

[hollysmom]

77. some one always knows someone

I even know some someones.
some times though I find it odd for a Christian to comment this is common everyday experience in a Christian home, I hope not, but with the wife always pregnant and some many kids running around unsupervised, who knows - maybe he should have specified in his version of christianity.

I can't understand anyone watching that show, but I certainly have weird viewing habits that probably would fail someone's interest. And sadly I have fallen into a bad habit of reading a certain gossip column when they are doing reveals - it comes up when I google other things so I finally looked and now I look more than I should, but -- seems like one of their daughters left the family for a while and was having a normal life with a normal job, but her family got her back in the family with pressure.

[Lithos]

84. To be honest...

There is a bad assumption that religion causes this. It's more a case where people use religion as a drape to justify their actions. More along the lines that Religion is the opiate of the people - a choice people make to justify living in a different reality.

Or more simply, I find it not surprising that f*cked up families cloak themselves in a very f*cked up version of religion. The person I know who was an atheist just chose a different reality that was equally as shallow.

Note for the record - I'm agnostic and view religion as nothing more than a man-made thing designed to influence other men.

L-

[Warren DeMontague]

80. I'll make one generalization, here: Oftentimes it's the sanctimonious, moralizing finger-waggers

the authoritarian, self-righteous folks who roll out of bed in the morning all up in the business of everybody else, ready willing and able to run everyone else's life for them because they know better™....


those people sure seem to statistically be more likely end up being the fucked up, hypocritical mofos with something to hide themselves.



Case in point: Bill Cosby.

[Lithos]

85. Yes

That is one way to say it..

L-

[hunter]

89. It's a problem in sexually repressed authoritarian misogynistic cultures.

Too many atheist communities throw away the religion but keep the sexually repressed authoritarian misogyny.

[malaise]

2. Why do you think they love home schooling

No scrutiny from outsiders.

[1StrongBlackMan]

3. No scrutiny and no ...

"What do you mean your father/brother doesn't touch you there?" conversations among curious kids.

[malaise]

8. Ding ding

that simple

[Major Nikon]

15. I suspect mostly it's because they think homosexuality is a communicable disease

Many also don't want their kids seeing anything that contradicts the bible, you know like the earth is round and orbits the sun.

I'm sure some see the benefits of clandestine child molestation.

[alfredo]

19. They don't want the competition.

[keithbvadu2]

36. Christian home schooling hides a multitude of sins

and passes on what the children learn is 'acceptable' behavior.

[AwakeAtLast]

68. That was going to be my answer!

They couldn't educate themselves out of a paper bag.

[LisaL]

4. Is that so?

Weren't these kids supposed to be super pure?

[Jerry442]

7. The Duggar kids are lucky their parents didn't kill them at birth.

That would have keep their little souls pristine and spotless.

(Insert tl;dr here about original sin.)

[Solly Mack]

5. Damn

[Initech]

6. Hey Jim Bob: Stop. Talking. Now.

The more you try to justify this the worse you look, and the worse your community looks.

[malaise]

10. Don't tell me that you believe the fruit falls far from

the tree

[Initech]

12. If that's a fruit, it's Red's Apple Ale.

[malaise]

16. ROFL

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

9. I went to Jr. High School with 2 guys from 2

Different "holy roller" families.

One was dragged off to church every wednesday night and sunday morning, but outside of that and away from his home/parents he was anything BUT religious. I frequently went home with him on fridays and spent the night. Mostly because it was amazingly easy to sneak out, after bedtime, and get up to all sorts of mischief. Much of the time, after dinner, we'd excuse ourselves to go to the park and shoot baskets. What we'd actually do was to sneak up into his attic, through the garage, remove the bathrooms exhaust fan, and watch each of his 4 sisters, in succession, take their baths. His idea, not mine. They weren't my sisters and I was 13 years old.

I wasn't all that friendly with the other guy, also from a holy roller family. Never visited each others homes. This guy, as an adult, was sent to prison twice for molesting his nieces. First one sisters daughters, then when released and staying with another sister, molested HER daughters.

Just my own personal experience with "christian" families.

[smirkymonkey]

17. Wow, how sick!

Regardless of the denomination, religious sexual repression causes more problems than it solves. Unfortunately, too many innocent women and children suffer for it.

[backscatter712]

61. Yep. tell teens they're going to Hell for masturbating or looking at porn...

...and watch how warped they get.

You want to take it to an extreme, see Wahhabi Islam areas, like Saudi Arabia, or ISIS territory, or the Taliban. Fucked up shit goes on there, while they make the women wear sacks over their bodies.

[SunSeeker]

70. Spot on. It is infuriating.

[Ilsa]

11. Kids are taught about "bad touch" at public school, IIRC.

Another reason to keep them home -- they won't obviously know that it's wrong. They'll have that emotional confusion about what their loved one is doing to them, but they won't even know how to talk about it.

[PJMcK]

52. Well, we taught our son about "bad touch" at home

Many, maybe most, parents teach their children about how to deal with "bad touching." Public and some private schools do, as well. They have to in order to legally protect themselves.

[Ilsa]

54. Taught in our home as well, and I was glad

it was repeated at school.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. When I was growing up, nudity wasn't exactly encouraged in our household,

but nobody lost it if someone accidentally walked in at an inopportune time, or if little kids were caught "playing doctor", etc. The need for modesty and privacy was explained and that was that.

My folks always felt that punishment for natural curiosity would cause kids to be "keyhole peepers" (my dad''s term). I think that's what happens in some families.

[JenniferJuniper]

55. Josh Duggar's youngest victim was 5. He was 15.

She was probably wearing a frumper down to her ankles at the time. To protect her modesty of course.

Any 15 year old boy who sexually assaults a 5 year old girl is a sick fuck.

Jim Bob and his wife covered it up. No biggie. Besides they needed to protect the oldest son and the family name. Daughters don't rank with them.

Believe it or not, it was Oprah who alerted the authorities more than 3 years after the assaults. The family was scheduled to be on the show and she received a tip from a family friend who knew the story. She cancelled the appearance and her people contacted the local police.

[Night Watchman]

14. Change it to "Fundamentalist Families"

and it probably IS common.

[TexasBushwhacker]

22. And he probably said this as an excuse for Josh

"See, everybody does it! Besides, we're Christians with a Capital C. Our sins are forgiven!"

Imagine if that excuse was given for all the pedophile priests. "Everybody does it so no problemo."

[KamaAina]

35. To Jim Bob, "Christian" means fundamentalist.

[jtuck004]

18. Subservient wife? She practices blanket training, in which people smaller than

her are sat on a blanket, and whipped for trying to leave it. As in infants.

She's not subservient, she's a stinking coward and a bully.

[TexasBushwhacker]

23. Too cheap for a playpen I guess

Or maybe they didn't have any fucking FLOORSPACE!

[jtuck004]

24. Apparantly she really digs beating up on children, from what I heard in a couple

of interviews. She's a sicko.

[smirkymonkey]

81. Good training for what is later in store for them I guess.

Effing sad!

[jtuck004]

83. They aren't limited to the homes either. These folks work in schools, hospitals,

government offices, and all manner of private business.

I suspect we make a lot of our own monsters.

[jaxind]

20. Yeah...

Yeah....I always wondered after that interview, how come it went under the media's radar! That blurb from his mouth, should have sent huge shock waves out!!

[getagrip_already]

21. Well bless their hearts...

The only surprise here is that it's a surprise to anyone......

[IronLionZion]

25. Then we must round up Christians and deport them

and never let any more Christian immigrants come here ever again!

[Tal Vez]

26. You don't have to be a Christian to be a pervert.

[Demobrat]

34. It's not the perversion.

It's the hypocrisy.

[bdwker]

27. Another fundie ass.

[allan01]

28. THESE PEOPLE ARNT CHRISTIAN. THEY HIDE BEHIND THAT LABLE SO THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING.

these are the same idiots who hide behing the constitution as well and are the same bastards who banter the 2nd amendment thing around like a dead horse . i am cristiian , but dont subscribe to their beliefs .from my late mom" the moral majorite is neither and either and dosent represent me ." these are the same ones who forget the great commission, feed the poor , heal the sick. end of scentance

[uriel1972]

31. probably aren't true scotsmen either...nt

[Mariana]

38. Of course they're Christian.

They simply interpret the book differently than you do.

[Iggo]

57. Oooooh yes they are!

They don't subscribe to your beliefs either.

But you're both christians.

[backscatter712]

63. Like I said in other threads. The problem with the major religions...

...including Christianity is that they'll let any asshole sign up.

[struggle4progress]

29. "Oh, c'mon! Everybody else does it! So can we please have our show back?"

[Ken Burch]

30. And that makes it ok?

[perdita9]

32. Jim Bob, has it occurred to you that there's something wrong with your culture?

Because...gross

[brewens]

33. Just go git yerself some more JAYUSUS and wash it all away! n/t

[REP]

37. It's biblical so it's okay! Noah and his daughters, where do you Cain and Abel got their wives?

The bible's full of some kinky, kinky shit. Children should not be allowed to read that dirty thing.

[KamaAina]

39. You forgot Song of Solomon.

"Thy belly is like an heap of wheat", something about "alabaster spheres"...

[REP]

41. Yeah, what?

What a total non-sequitur. What I was referring to was instances of incest in the bible, though I did confuse Lot with Noah.

If you're going to quote Song of Solomon, quote 5:4 “My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him."

[packman]

43. How about Lot's daughters after the destruction of Sodom and Gommora

Genesis 19:36

"So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. 36Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father. 37The firstborn bore a son, and called his name Moab; he is the father of the Moabites to this day.…"

[backscatter712]

64. But Pat Robertson will tell you that's a special case.

Back then, times were different, the rules were different, so what happens in Ancient Judea stays in Ancient Judea...

...until the topic turns to homosexuality, in which case they remind you that the Bible is an Inerrant Magic Book, and because they can cite chapter and verse stating that the Fairy Godfather hates queers, they'll tell you with a straight face that homosexuality should be criminalized and punished by death.

[Katashi_itto]

59. Verily he and the angel went forth to reside in the frothy hot tub.

With the many coolers and fruits.

[cyberswede]

40. Gross. nt

[packman]

42. You all are forgetting - Christians have that "escape" clause in their religion

Sin and then sin some more, BUT if you ask God for forgiveness - then all those sins are wiped away.

My wife tells the story of her co-worker who bought high-end shoes and clothing, wore them once then returned them. The co-worker was a religious wackadoodle and said as long as she asked the Lord for forgiveness, she was doing no wrong. Wife tried to point out that the whole idea behind that was that one would NOT CONTINUE to error. Nope, the girl insisted, the Lord is all forgiving and all loving so no matter what sins, what harm she did, the Lord was there to give her a pass.

This was the same girl that said when she got to heaven the Lord would allow all the saved to visit hell to see the suffering of the damned. When asked how she could, even in her heavenly state survive the fires of hell, said that the angels of the Lord would be behind a fireproof glass on the air-conditioned side of hell.

There is no reason or sanity of those that pervert religion to suit their own morel shortcomings.

[yellowcanine]

44. And who did Josh Duggar learn his incestuous ways from?

These things do not happen out of the blue. Inquiring minds want to know.

[Canoe52]

45. Chevy Chase's Vacation Movie

"Daddy says I'm the best French kisser in the whole county!"

[Boudica the Lyoness]

46. Wow!

I remember he saying that.

I know a homeschooling very over the top christian family, and they have weird views on sex, among other things. The head of the household told my husband that he wouldn't send his children to school because when he was a kid in grade school, in Canada, his parents heard that they were teaching 'how to have sex with animals' in the upper grades. He gave my husband details of it. He and the rest of his siblings were homeschooled after hearing that.

He was dead serious and really believes that perversion is taught in public schools. It makes me wonder about how twisted his mind is.

They don't seem to have a moral compass and have to rely on the bible to tell them right from wrong and they live in fear of going to hell. This same dude told my husband that without his religion he wouldn't be able to behave himself.

[The2ndWheel]

56. We have non-religious laws and people can't/don't behave themselves

Whether you're talking religious laws, or secular laws, they're both figments of the human imagination. Both are abstractions of how humans should behave, because in physical reality, morality is subjective.

[AllyCat]

47. More sick people hiding behind religion

[Katashi_itto]

48. Hmm, They must cheer G.O.T Jamie and Cersi Lannister on....

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[matt819]

50. Oh. Thanks for the explanation.

I didn't realize that because it happens all the time in Christian families that that makes it okay. I appreciate the explanation. You fucking moron.

Why are these predators given a public forum to perpetuate their perversion and criminal acts?

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

62. Remember Lot's daughters?

They got their father drunk and pretty muched raped him so their could get pregnant and give birth to their own siblings.

And did God say peep about it? Nope. His silence was approval.

[TCJ70]

66. Not my Christian family...

...yikes. This guy (and his family) are messed up...

[lillypaddle]

67. Sick fucks

all of them.

[Kang Colby]

71. He's wrong, and is just trying to rationalize these awful crimes.

If this were about a Muslim family, I doubt we'd see more than two or three responses. Despite the fact that molestation is a culturally accepted practice in parts of the Middle East.

[Shoonra]

73. I have suspected this is more common than admitted

I have heard stories like the Duggar story from a number of people (mostly women) of a variety of backgrounds - generally women who grew up with slightly older brothers. It appears that baby sister was the first choice for playing Doctor, then the first choice for somewhat more thorough anatomical exploration, and, maybe, brother's practice for sexual conquests. It wasn't a matter of religion or irreligion, it was a matter of proximity and opportunity and temptation and urges ... and the general feeling that one doesn't make a complaint that could send a family member to jail. In some instances the parents may have been unaware, in some instances the parents may have had to make an effort to remain unaware - putting their foot down on molesting sister might have sent brother out to experiment with the neighbor's daughter, which would have gotten him no mercy at all.

[PatrynXX]

74. Not surprising

I was whipped for having a normal itch while wearing tight pants when I was 12-13 yrs old. I didn't find out till I was almost 36 that dad thought I was jerking off in Church. Never got the sex talk because he figured I knew all about it.. In a Lutheran school? from where??

[radical noodle]

76. Oh good grief!

Perhaps in the crazy Christian families. I grew up in a Christian family and was never molested as a child. He's trying to justify his own nutty family.

[liberal N proud]

78. That is sick!

[Warren DeMontague]

79. Way to sell the worldview.

Now, tell us again how much more moral you guys are than us unbelievers.

[smirkymonkey]

82. All fundamentalist religions are sick.

All of them! I don't care if that isn't PC. There is something seriously wrong with these people.

[backscatter712]

86. It is the result of the religious impulse to control people by controlling sex.

The fundie flavors of Christianity do it, with crap like Quiverfull, resulting in Michelle Duggar's clown-car vagina. And her son's adventures in child molestation.

You see the Catholic Church doing it, with the latest example being Philadelphia Archbishop Chaput saying that couples that were same-sex, or that were divorced and remarried, were not allowed to have sex.

And then you have Islam. Especially the fundie flavors like Wahhabi Islam, that have women dressed in sacks, seeing the world through a little slit, lest guys be tempted by a flash of salacious ankle. All of Saudi society is sex-segregated to a psychotic extreme. It is literally illegal for a woman to leave her house, just to go to the store to get a jug of milk, without male family escort. That is how sick and fucked up and twisted Islam is. You want to know why ISIS is as fucked up as they are? In a nutshell you have a bunch of violent psychopaths who have their sex lives controlled for them by assholes in funny hats. And that drives them to whole new levels of depravity.

The commonality here is the use of control of sex to control people. Tell a bunch of shaved apes that they're not allowed to perform a basic bodily function with themselves or each other, or the Fairy Godfather will get mad and throw you in the Eternal Torture Dungeon after you die, and watch how people behave. The more you can control sex, the more you can control people (and by extension, keep those tithes flowing into those collection plates). And the more fucked up and twisted and depraved people get as their psychologies get warped by sex deprivation.

[tavernier]

87. Really??? Half of the above posters believe this because he said it?

You're no better than he is. There are no valid statistics posted, only hateful opinions against someone else's religious preferences.

I swear, DUers are getting to be as ugly as Trump's tea bags.