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by J.D. Durkin | 8:44 am, July 7th, 2016
One of the areas of media commentary weve been featuring heavily as of late as the tabloids right here in New York City: the conservative New York Post, and the left-leaning New York Daily News, each of whom use their 12″x10″ real estate to ridicule, mock, or slam the story of the day.
Thursday mornings edition of the Daily News unsurprisingly put the emphasis on the tragic shooting death of 37-year-old Alton Sterling, the Baton Rouge native who was killed by two white police officers Tuesday. The death in a convenience store parking lot set off a wave of protests; the leader of the local NAACP called on the police chief and mayor both to resign.
Never one to shy away from the controversial and declarative front cover, the Daily News depicted the image of Sterlings body for all to see:
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Reaction from social media was as swift as it was mixed. While many feel that the cover is an unfortunately appropriate way to convey the tragedy, others questioned as they have in the past if the New York Daily News took things a step too far:
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I see nothing wrong with this NYDN cover. Shove it in the faces of people who think we've "solved" the racism problem in America or that "SJWs" are blowing everything out of proportion.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)I don't need any history to show that they're stupid. But racist? What make you immediately teleport to that conclusion?
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Because they're white males?
eShirl
(18,494 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Sad, but thats where we are. Ignoring all the white people who get abused or killed by cops of all colors. Look at Baltimore, 1/2 those charged were black
Its not always a RACE problem as much as it is a BAD COP problem.
AllTooEasy
(1,260 posts)...but I get your point. Stupid is worse than Racist to me.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Entheory
(6 posts)Black cops can be just as if not more racist than white cops. If they keep the system in place they are racist...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)"black police showing out for the white cop"
7962
(11,841 posts)In most of these cases its more a BLUE problem. Black/white/latino/asian cops are killing & abusing Blacks/whites/latinos/asians.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)members of all races can be agents of racism/white supremacy; but, I doubt that's what you meant.
7962
(11,841 posts)With racist opinions and actions. Not someone who facilitates another racist's opinions or acts.
It doesnt f'king matter WHAT COLOR you are, if you believe racist dogma, you ARE a racist.
The constant need to find a sliver of excuse for some people as opposed to others has gotten ridiculous.
"Oh, he's not a racist, he just hates all white people". Horseshit.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I so wish progressives (of DU) would learn the academic definition of racism and join the rest of the anti-racist/racism world.
7962
(11,841 posts)I remember learning in school about the days when "academics" used to consider black people as intellectually inferior to other races. They had plenty of "studies" to support them, too. So today, they bend over backwards to invent any excuse to remove the stain of racism from someone who just happens to be black. No matter that the person may have the exact same views of whites as a white racist does about blacks. Nope, he's "just" a bigot.
If we are all to be viewed as equal, then our actions should all be judged equally as well.
Trying to excuse black racism will only serve to further the views & opinions racist whites have. "See, they wont even admit they have them in their community"
Good luck with that. It will only serve to slide us BACKWARDS. Unbelievable. And only in America. Other countries seem to be quite adept at calling out racists no matter what color they come in.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)unless it serves their purpose, i.e., the racial status quo?
I think I'm done trying.
7962
(11,841 posts)But continuing to go down the road you seem insistent on traveling will only result in more division. The proof is already out there.
No, I'll never understand why anyone cannot accept the fact that a black man's views can be just as vile as a white mans & call it what it is. The effect on society is exactly the same
It just enables the points that white racists always try to make. Thats NOT "racial status quo". I've said the same to people I know who ALWAYS take the side of the police; you cannot expect things to improve if you cannot look at video of an unarmed man running away from a cop being shot in the back and say "Thats wrong". All it does is further the opinions of those who view ALL cops as bad ones.
As I said before, if you want to be treated equally then you have to be equally critical of the bad seeds. Because they're equally as sick.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)LOL ... Really? since you've written that twice, you must really believe that. Here's a self-reflection project: "What is your "equality" dependent on?"
7962
(11,841 posts)If a black man expresses hatred for all whites & kills 5, and a white man expresses hatred for all blacks and goes out & kills 5, the result is the same; you end up with more people of each race having a worse view of the other race. For some reason you have a need to split hairs over "bigot" & "racist". To refuse to call the same acts & opinions the same thing just makes it look like you're trying to excuse the views of one compared to the other. God help us if that view becomes the norm; racial division will only get worse.
It really is that simple. But when we see people of different races helping each other, the urge to be a part of THAT spreads as well. Look at the immediate aftermath of 9/11; crime went way down for some time as everyone knew we were in it TOGETHER.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the proper use of the term racism is not "splitting hairs", it is describes how a particular type of bigotry operates.
...
racial division will only get worse
I really think you should answer my self reflection question ... My equality is dependent on my feeling like you, or the racial divide will worsen; what is your equality dependent on; what must you do to improve the racial division?
adigal
(7,581 posts)And knocked on their window where they were parked and laughing after the assholes gave me a ticket for no insurance because I wasn't "respectful" enough to them. I had insurance and showed it to them. At no time, did I think they would kill me, shoot me or even arrest me. Why? I'm white, 54 years old and blonde. I can do things like that and not get killed, so I do when cops act like assholes.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)You have got to be kidding.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)More than half of the victims were white.
If we're going to default to assuming that any white-on-black killing is racist, even in cases where there is no evidence/history to support that kind of motivation by the cop, we then must be defaulting to assuming that all 500 killings of whites last year were legitimate and justified?
Lottie5
(12 posts)White Americans are the racial majority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.2% of the population.
cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)This still doesn't change the proportional death ratio of black Americans to white when dealing with LEO.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Seriously sounds like you need a history lesson. Shit like this is all too common because racism is built into te criminal justice system from start to finish. There are always unequal outcomes for POC, in arrests, sentencing and brutality.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)They said this particular incident was racist violence, but gave no indication what led them to believe that.
Are you saying we should start with the premise that all police killings of persons of color are racially motivated, and then work our way backwards from there and eventually (maybe) exonerate the police officer from those accusations, but only if there is absolutely no evidence that the officer was racially motivated? Otherwise they're a bigot by default?
If so, should we likewise start with the premise that all police killings of white people are not only not racially motivated, but are justified?
There is NOONE on DU saying this was a justified killing. But you (and many DUers) seem to be having trouble separating (as always occurs with these stories) an unjustified police killing from a racially motivated police killing, and seem to assume that an unjustified killing of a person of color is ALWAYS racially motivated (regardless of whether there is any evidence, such as the perpetrator's background/work history, to support that assertion). And that is why we are painted as "not caring about facts."
You can have a stupid cop perform an entirely unjustified killing, on any individual of any race, for no other reason than it was a stupid cop; in fact, it happens hundreds of times a year.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It more normal and safer to kill a black suspect. That IS the way the system works and all who work within it are all to aware of that. Absolutely that needs to be knowledged instead of denied- or minimized with misleading stats as you did.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)minimizing the extent to which this happens to black folk, all the time.
According to wiki, black folks make up 12.2% of the population. According to you, they account for 50% of the deaths by police bullets, sprays, batons, choke holds, being run over, etc.
That doesn't account for the millions of extra stops and imprisonments of people who are black, in extraordinarily high proportions to those who are white.
We have an entire country built on racism and the free labor of millions of people for over 200 years, something we ALL still profit from. People, simply because of their skin color, weren't guaranteed the right to vote until 1965, and since then people have been working day and night to take it away again. We have whole towns (Ferguson) whose racist attitudes caused the Federal government to nearly have to assume control, until they changed some things. You literally cannot find a town in this entire country where there won't be a racist or xenophobic or bigoted behavior every day.
You asked your question, now let me ask mine.
Why don't you see the racism inherent in every confrontation with the evidence so clear and compelling?
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)that you are citing that this was a racially motivated killing (as opposed to only a completely unjustified killing)? Is your clear and compelling evidence the fact that the perpetrator was white and the victim was a person of color? That's what defines "racially motivated" in 2016?
It isn't minimizing the existence of racially-motivated killings to ask that we not automatically ASSUME every killing IS a racially motivated killing. It's asking that we be rational.
Hillary Clinton had an unsecure email server in her home. An unsecure email server in her home made it easier to for to hide/delete emails that she didn't want publicly available (if she wanted to do that). If the presence of white and black automatically makes something racially motivated, does the presence of an unsecure email server automatically mean Hillary intended to hide/delete emails? You're drawing some dangerous conclusions here...
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)in a racist country.
Given that, what other explanation is there for the large discrepancy in the number of black folks killed, and by cops, for doing nothing more than white folks do every day?
Wanna know what's really dangerous? Being black in America.
How about I don't waste any more time with your denials and excuses. You suggestion that all killings are racially motivated, as well as deliberately ignoring the racism that everything we do is steeped in is, at best, nothing but an attempt to deflect. At it's worst, well.. I haven't the time to waste with such low-level ideas.
Enjoy yourself at the meetings.
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MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)What I'm denying is the assertion by so many here that NO ONE out there is good anymore, that NO ONE out there can speak, act or do anything without "racial motivations." That if an altercation occurred in which more than one race was represented, that all actions therein were absolutely, unequivocally, undeniably racially motivated. Why? Because they just were. Because if a cop in one state killed a person of color because they were a person of color, then every person of color that ever dies from here forward died because they're a person of color.
clarice
(5,504 posts)live in a racist country."
That's a pretty broad brush. Sit back and analyze your comment objectively.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They are minimizing it- whether it is intentional or not, it shows a willingness to use a "little knowledge" to deny racism could have played a part in it. There is a problem with saying "prove it" every damned time when you know that there are systemic problems you are sweeping under the rug- with bulbs it stats that do not even help their case.
clarice
(5,504 posts)did I miss something? Please be specific.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I have never seen anyone but RW racist apologists use that line- because when you realize that POC are 1/8.... It shows there's a systemic problem. The opposite of what the poster was trying to say. That kind of mindless parroting of deceptive stats- is part of the problem.
clarice
(5,504 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Black folks in far greater percentages, of longer sentences and more violent outcomes. Knowing the numbers means it is always more often than not another case of "over policing the black community" - which is how racism becomes not just an individual choice but a part of the system.
clarice
(5,504 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)realm of the irrational.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That you wrongly try to blame on others. It's ugly to witness the ignorant flailing for links.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Perhaps we can discuss this later, on a less emotional level... Be well, and the best to you and your's
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Over the past year, The Post found that the vast majority of those shot and killed by police were armed and half of them were white. Still, police killed blacks at three times the rate of whites when adjusted for the populations where these shootings occurred. And although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed while unarmed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html
this article is consistent with the information available (google is your friend)
clarice
(5,504 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I wanted to make sure you were able to understand it.
Google is your friend ... the facts are easily verifiable.
If you need help with search terms, let me know
clarice
(5,504 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... by law enforcement in the US
You seem to dismiss this ... with nothing but snide remarks
The disproportionate attacks on PoC (significantly the AA community) by individual LEO and the criminal justice sytem is verifable and horrific ...regrdless of how snidely you wish to dismiss it
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/police-reasonable-force-brutality-race-research-review-statistics
http://cjp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/07/18/0887403412452424.abstract
https://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white
clarice
(5,504 posts)brush
(53,787 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts).... the question is why do some have no problem with it and will irrationally deny every statistic compiled
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)in the stat that was used. The point wasn't 'Hey, look. Whites get killed by police in the same proportion as blacks.'
The point was that a significant number of whites are also killed by police. What do we make of that?
I'm not minimizing the problem of ongoing oppression and violence facing black Americans and neither was the poster.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Too many white people see them as a source of profit, still, and not victims.
That objective enough for you?
What a stupid conversation. No more.
clarice
(5,504 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am listening to Obama on the news right now rattling off statistics on how African-Americans and Latinos fare under the criminal justice system compared to whites and it's shocking. Anyone who doesn't think that this was a racist incident has their head up their ass.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Are the shooting you reference a sum total, thus lacking the relevant information of victim's action?
Lies, damned lies and...
white folks have been killed for selling cds?
clarice
(5,504 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but I laughed
downeastdaniel
(497 posts)Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)And I get damn tired of someone posting a "you can't prove its racist" meme. Shot for selling CD's? Seriously? Prove that it wasn't racist.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)"the only unique thing about Alton Sterling as a person was his skin hue".
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I do understand what you are saying.
And you are right. And you are going about it in the right way.
You are using your intellectual brain. However, others are using their feeling brains.
Any activity requires the use of the correct brain or brains.
Playing a Mahler Symphony requires the use of all three brains - intellectual, feeling and moving( physical).
Typing requires the intellectual brain and the moving brain.
You are using the correct brain, in this case.
7962
(11,841 posts)And unlikely to be hidden. Although these days who knows. Its getting back to 8th grade around here!
There's a racist behind EVERY tree and EVERY bush. You'd think it was 1850 around here
You know, I have only discovered later in life that there can very well be a racism in ..almost all of us... or maybe I should say most of us... perhaps unseen by ourselves, invisible.. No. It couldn't be me, now could it.
Maybe racism isn't even the right word. I am no sociologist. Maybe a separation....But, something that often will see something in certain others as ...different....
I find this really interesting in myself as I have had 2 wives, The first, many years ago, was black. The second was Chinese. I am Hungarian....
And so.......
subject
(118 posts)It begins as the fear of things and ppl who are different from one's self.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's cute how you argue against points no one is making. There's a compound word for that...
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)wut
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)that this shit keeps happening to Black people particularly black men. Lucky for you that you don't have to worry about it being your kin then huh?
clarice
(5,504 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)As I am also sure you are lilly white & basking in that privilege every damn day.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Luckily for you... I don't believe in alerting on ANYBODY ! That is the cowards way out.
So if you want to bring it..... I'm your Huckleberry.
clarice
(5,504 posts)me... let's see what your made of. You picked the wrong lilly white girl this time.
attention DU jury... i know that this is getting ugly... that's why I offered to take it private. Please consider the previous post that warranted my harsh rebuttal.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)that has absolutely nothing of value to add to a conversation regarding yet another homicide of a black man by a cop?
clarice
(5,504 posts)And one more thing SISTER.... you don't know me ! But you seem to have a lot of words for me.
As I mentioned before, I never alert on anyone because I don't believe in it... but if you throw your weak ass "race card" at me
one more time...you and I will have some bidness to settle. It's not my fault that you are so filled with hate. I would suggest counseling.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Secondly, no surprise you threw out the good old "race card" canard. Very typical of folks in your position.
clarice
(5,504 posts)someone in YOUR position. Don't bother replying. My work here is done.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)murdered by cops is the race card????? Aren't you a special little character?
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)but it happens at a lot greater rate to people of color. But thanks for playing.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)And that's just plain factually incorrect.
One person being black and one person being white DOES NOT equate to racial motivation as much as so many here want to automatically draw that conclusion.
7962
(11,841 posts)because some educated folks have come to that conclusion. They can only be a bigot. Like theres a HUGE difference.
adigal
(7,581 posts)I'm so pissed, I'm going to go find a protest. At least the protests tonight are peaceful.
Maraya1969
(22,483 posts)Try picturing a young white girls lying there dead, with holes in her chest that the cop just put in her AFTER they had her pinned on the ground.
Put the young white girl in the photo and then tell me you don't see anything wrong!
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Who, on the entirety of DU, has argued that these killings weren't wrong?? Noone.
What is being argued, and rightly so, is that it's wrong to leapfrog to the conclusion that any altercation involving 2 or more races must have been racially motivated.
Isn't it entirely possible, if we calm down enough to let the federal investigators do their job, that we'll find out the shooting police officer was a completely decent human being who just did something stupid (something that he should still pay the price for), and that race played absolutely no role in his actions whatsoever?
Lunabell
(6,088 posts)"These police shootings disproportionately affect black men. The Washington Posts review found that of the unarmed men shot and killed by police last year, 40 percent were black ― even though black men only make up 6 percent of the population. The Guardian, also looking at 2015 data, found that young black men were nine times more likely than other Americans to be killed by police officers." Huffington Post
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)And it doesn't have to be a conscious reaction.
When they have a white man pinned to the ground it just feels less scary or dangerous to them than when a black man is in that position.
In addition, the white man could be their cousin or neighbor, but they don't relate to the black man. They don't have the same compassion for him and concern for his life, because he is 'different' from them.
It's human nature to have these feelings. The more enlightened among us make the effort to exhume those tendencies, look them over, and manipulate them so that we can have compassion for all sorts of people who are dissimilar to us.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)involved in the Freddie Gray case?
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)Considering the racism within many police departments, black officers must feel a need to prove themselves as being more loyal to the job.
Have we seen any black cops going rogue on their own, or taking the lead role in a shooting, rather as part of a group of officers, such as in the Freddie Gray case? I can't recall any.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)If you can't see that, I seriously doubt anything will convince you.
still_one
(92,219 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I was expecting it based on the title, but others might not.
It definitely needs a graphic image warning.
calimary
(81,313 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)One reason, of course, is lurid scenes sell. I think another reason is to intimidate the black population. It says, 'this is what happens when you step out of line.' Reminds me very much of old pictures I've seen of lynchings.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)fullautohotdog
(90 posts)I think another reason is to intimidate the black population. It says, 'this is what happens when you step out of line.' Reminds me very much of old pictures I've seen of lynchings.
Yeah, no. The accompanying text makes it pretty darn clear it's not meant to intimidate the black community. To get people pissed off? Yeah. Intimidate them? No.
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)It is not the Daily News they should be questioning about taking things too far. How about questioning the police, once again, taking things many steps too far.
So true...
lostnfound
(16,180 posts)I'm not fond of graphic journalism but when society has a dark illness it needs to be exposed to the list of day to get the attention it deserves.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Time to show the truth
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Then I could call YOU to help me.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)racist police are up to. If they don't like looking at it, they should make it stop.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)of course conservatives will reflexively defend the police
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and if it does, it won't last. I thought Sandy Hook would wake us the hell up.
mcar
(42,334 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)They're entitled to some respect
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)family. People have to see what is happening.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)The past two days have seen some really awful stuff from police. Regardless of anyone's record, possessing a gun, or anything else...if someone is restrained on the ground, there is no reason for them to end up dead with two cops on them.
The more recent one is even worse! He apparently did what everyone says you should do when a police officer pulls you over and you have a gun. You tell them. The cop then escalated that situation until it spun out of control. Terrible.
reflection
(6,286 posts)I wasn't prepared for that. Not sure what to think about this cover, so I'll step back and reserve judgment until I've thought about it further. I will say this is very unlike anything I recall seeing in mainstream print.
Stuart G
(38,434 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Good God.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)It's shocking, outrageous, and everyone OUGHT to be motivated to put an end to this violence. We'll see if that happens, though.
I see little difference between this photo, and that familiar b/w one of the black boys who were lynched and hung from a tree in front of a crowd, in Indiana I think.
IronLionZion
(45,452 posts)Did anyone see a gun? There were several witnesses.
This shooting seems sketchy as hell.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)After he was shot. It's in the newest video.
calimary
(81,313 posts)NOT in play, in any way. WASN'T in his hand. WASN'T immediately visible, until they had him down on the ground, pinned, arms and hands immobilized and not within reach of WHATEVER might have been in his pocket.
Unbelievable.
This is just an upside-down day in SO many ways.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)This is a clear case of police misconduct that rises to the level of a crime, imo. This man was murdered.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)Enough. I think the Daily News did the right thing here. Time to end the police state.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Horrifying events like this need to be shown to the public.
47of74
(18,470 posts)To show them what their hatred of others led too. Needs to happen in this country too where we force people to confront the end results of their hatred laid bare in front of them.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)when the images were streamed across the TV during dinner time. This is why the military only allows the press to see what it wants them to see.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,435 posts)print and spoken reporting goes over most 'Mericans heads I'm afraid....
Igel
(35,320 posts)It's a problem, both ways.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)Hard not to.
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)to the point of Orgasm.
For them, it's like a drug.
packman
(16,296 posts)I am not one for sensationalism - but, this type of sanctioned killing has to be accountable to someone.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)
but I can't imagine the Sterling family is pleased about this...
If the DN had the Sterling family's blessing, then more power to them... I hope to god they at least had the common decency to ask first.
This also sets a really ugly precedent -- Are we going to see graphic photos of the body of a rape/stabbing victim next to prove a point?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)It was a sit in. Since when do we classify a peaceful protest as "thugery"?
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)That is the definition of extortion. Extortion is a crime.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)and kind of insulting to people who have actually been threatened and extorted. Don't think I've ever heard someone called a thug for using MLK's non-violent tactics (outside of a few racists of course).
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)None of M.L.K.'s tactic even bordered on this kind of action. M.L.K. boycotted and marched.
He did not prevent others from carrying on with their intended actions until they capitulated to his demands.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)The nonviolent protests that you call thuggery and extortion didn't aim to get anything? Come on.
TacoD
(581 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Aparently John Lewis and house Democrats are thugs too for trying to get something through non-violent protest.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)meaningful legislation in God knows how many years. So Lewis and company didn't stop anyone from taking any action on anything.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Yes, it's an awful image...of a horrible, pointless, murderous act. The kind of image that should produce outrage (and nausea)...and therein lies the value of publishing it.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This is NOT okay, and this what congress should be talking about today.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)So, so wrong.
clarice
(5,504 posts)MFM008
(19,816 posts)Cops should be able to attempt to disarm a suspect without shooting then front and back.
Even if he was armed.
Even if he was a serial killer.
Cops in my small town always said ' Watch the hands'.
This guy's hands were empty.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Did he have one parent or two? What was his gpa? Did he have a pet? Was he single? How much money did he make?
Are you writing a Eulogy or biography? Not sure what you want or why a bunch of random people on a message board would be able to give you a full profile of the victim.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Just looking for a way to Michael Brown the situation.
clarice
(5,504 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)are doing so to justify the killing of/demonize the victim.
We have seen it at least 10 times on this site.
clarice
(5,504 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1) I do not look at the screen names of those I respond to;
2) I would not recognize your posting history, to change my response, if I did
3) my point about the history of such "let's wait for (the victim's) background crew is an observation of the collective, not individual members.
clarice
(5,504 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)mentioned, I do not trust most news outlets.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I assume you are not writing a tribute. Are you asking if he had a criminal background? Is that what you want to know?
clarice
(5,504 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)It's just irrelevent to the facts surounding an extrajudicial killing. A man went from selling cds to being pinned to the ground empty handed then straight up executed. Just take a look at the video and image of the empty handed dead man and ask yourself what facts about the man's history could possibly change how sick and wrong that is?
clarice
(5,504 posts)executioner, in a matter that I was not there to witness....are you saying that the proper forms
of juris- prudence should not apply in this particular matter?
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Your line of inquiry certainly does not have anything to do with proper jurisprudence. If we're talking about jurisprudence, his background is completely irrelevant. It's a question of if their killing of him was justified. Pinning a man down and unloading multiple rounds into his chest from point blank range is not going to become more legal or illegal no matter what his background is.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Your line of inquiry certainly does not have anything to do with proper jurisprudence. If we're talking about jurisprudence, his background is completely irrelevant. It's a question of if their killing of him was justified. Pinning a man down and unloading multiple rounds into his chest from point blank range is not going to become more legal or illegal no matter what his background is.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)they talk of jurisprudence (where, as you correctly mention, criminal history has no relevance) ... in a case of an extra-judicial killing?
No ... I suspect the poster has no idea what the word jurisprudence means ... But I bet it looked important in the "let's wait to see if the ... erm ... guy was a thug" talking points website!
But in my benevolence, I will offer this: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/jurisprudence
So they don't get fooled again.
clarice
(5,504 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)However, I assume that the person you are replying to wanted criminal history because for some reason that matters the most.
clarice
(5,504 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Here.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)just for the fuck of it, you will still be defending them.
clarice
(5,504 posts)druidity33
(6,446 posts)that's irrelevant. "Did he have a gun in his hands?" is the relevant question. The answer to the relevant question is NO. Our police forces (given the amount of training received) should be the best, most competent in the world. The sad fact is they are not even close. If this had happened in England (heck, i'm pretty sure they probably have busted someone selling CDs there... probably even with a gun in their pocket) there's no way the victim would've been shot. You know why? Because the regular police forces do not carry firearms.
Maybe we should try that? It would probably make our officers better negotiators if nothing else. Also, it would eliminate the pricks who want to be cops just so they can carry guns around...
clarice
(5,504 posts)I hope the cops don't show up with string cheese.
clarice
(5,504 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... happening
clarice
(5,504 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)can tell... I don't trust most news sources.
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)He could have been a monk for all they fucking knew. The media (and others) have a pattern of trying to criminalize and dehumanize black victims of police brutality / thuggery, and I'm sick of it!
clarice
(5,504 posts)looking for un-varnished facts...sheeeeesh.
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)specifically, but as they say, a hit dog will holler.
clarice
(5,504 posts)that I was somehow trying to assign responsibility. I will forgive you however...these are troubling times.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/alton-sterling-baton-rouge-louisiana-police-shooting-victim-suspect-video-photos-facebook-family-protests-officers-names/
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Muflahi told The Advocate that Sterling began carrying a gun after he was mugged.
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But Sterling was also a registered sex offender, state records show. He was convicted in 2000 of carnal knowledge of a juvenile and was released from prison in 2004. According to court documents, Sterling, then 20, was arrested after he impregnated a 14-year-old girl. The girls mother reported him to police.
The victim, Quinyetta McMillon, is the mother of Sterlings oldest son, the familys attorney told CNN. The familys attorney, Edmond Jordan, told CNN that Sterling and the victim continued to have a relationship and co-parented their son until Sterlings death.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I turned off the TV last night as the boy started sobbing uncontrollably.
clarice
(5,504 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)like that other person asked, which you said was snarky.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Obviously he wasn't threatening them with a gun.
clarice
(5,504 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)My post further up thread may have been "snarky" because it was pretty easy to deduce what you were after, but I think the point still stands. The point some are making is that you are not looking to get all the facts. You are looking for specific facts that would only cast a negative light on his character, and are completely irrelevant considering the way he was killed. Whatever criminal record he may have in no way qualifies as all the facts. Talking about it as if it has some relevence to police executing him in the street serves only to build a very limited profile of a dead man based only on the most negative aspect of his life previously. It sheds no light on the killing, and is only useful as ammunition to assisinate his character.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Your inqueries don't match your claimed intentions. It's really that simple.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)You were simply dense. Not quite the same thing as being nice.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Perhaps we could adjourn this for a later.. more sane moment.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I've been plenty clear. And in the interest of clarity, I honestly believe there's just not a constructive conversation to be had with you since you ignore most of the content of replies. Engaging with you is just a further waste of time. I'm just going to add you to my ignore list so your posts no longer take up space on my screen.
clarice
(5,504 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)"It's ironic that our manners leave us in times of crisis....which is often when we need them most"
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)So his criminal record is irrelevant for that reason, too. As long as you're not actively on parole or probation, there's no prohibition against owning guns (although he should have had a CCW to carry concealed).
clarice
(5,504 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)so now you will depend on others to watch the video, and when they tell you what they saw, you will demand facts.
clarice
(5,504 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)to defend every action by police, no matter how heinous.
clarice
(5,504 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)need to see this although it won't change a goddamn thing about this ever increasingly racist society. Legions of people are drinking champagne and celebrating this murder. And they'll be voting in both Party's. I know this by some of the comments here.
MFM008
(19,816 posts)good and hard.
This is mind blowing.
The killing of the hospital worker
Sure the racists will celebrate but the rest of us will
work together.
benld74
(9,904 posts)I believe there are SOME individuals who are police that are AFRAID to perform their jobs. They are afraid for their own lives. THis does not help the public they server NOR the people they may stop. These individuals ALSO believe they have a RIGHT to shoot first AND they will be exonerated based upon PAST happenings in the country.
1) THese people should be weeded out during training, IF they even get training. The public doesn't need these individuals out on the streets. THey are causing MORE harm than good, in more ways that can be counted.
2) The police departments who hire they people, NEED to CUT THEM LOOSE, after whatever FINDING come out. PERIOD. Police departments do not need this type of media attention. Police departments should NOT be protecting them.
clarice
(5,504 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)fear that makes them shoot first. Or makes them want to shoot first.
clarice
(5,504 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Increase salaries, screen better. Screen more. Train a shitload more. Have no tolerance for this shit including those who hide bad cops because of the blue line effect.
clarice
(5,504 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)that this cold-blooded execution was justified, you have no soul. If you could watch this man's 15 year old son break down in tears, and you did not want to scream to the heavens about the injustice of what happened, then you are dead inside. This man should still be alive, selling his CD's, but two scared white men decided to harass him for no good reason, and it ended as expected. Fuck anyone who isn't outraged by this. Fuck anyone who doesn't see this as a serious problem that all of us need to stand up and ensure never happens again.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)This is just absolutely horrifying on so many levels and to hear people try to justify any part of it makes me physically ill. We have a serious problem with racism and with a trigger-happy law enforcement system in this country. It's time to face it squarely and stop making excuses.
CanonRay
(14,104 posts)except the one the cop is holding. Am I missing something?
clarice
(5,504 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)TION of JFK, aka the Zapruder film.
So maybe it's time the public sees what our police are doing.
clarice
(5,504 posts)MirrorAshes
(1,262 posts)No one I know was ever "shown" that video. And, honestly, I don't see why people have to be shown something so gruesome to learn about the event.
This, on the other hand, is something everyone should see.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)heart??
Horrible. I actually wish I had not scrolled down.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That's the point.
People need to be upset.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)How many people were shot unlawfully in the past by cops, but there was no video or photo proof? That's how they got away with murder for many decades. Technology has changed their world. They now have to face the consequences of their actions.
On the other hand, technology will help exonerate them when they do act lawfully.
It's a win-win for everyone.
May justice be done and may Mr. Sterling rest in peace.
angrychair
(8,700 posts)Murder of an innocent man.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts). . . was the wall-to-wall TV coverage. When the exposure the public has to war is through history books and flag-waving celebrations, that's one thing. When war with all its carnage and blood and guts is running across the TV screen during dinner time, that's another thing.
Show the bodies and the blood, the empty hands, and the car with all taillights working.
ut oh
(895 posts)People need to see the end result. Not for shits and giggles, but for the brutality...
Most people try to ignore this kind of stuff (it's not affecting them directly, right???). This is going to be one of the only ways to make people see what's really going on.
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)just
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The only parts of it that swing left are the recent series of front pages and Shaun King. The rest of it is pretty centrist. It only looks "left-leaning" in comparison to Murdreck's Post.