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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf you are choking, tasing and restraining someone
you might get a response that is instinctual. you know one where someone fights back to live and fight for their life.
It's not resisting arrest.
Really how fucking stupid do these cops think people are?
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)Stop resisting. Yeah, right.
I don't think so.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)paleotn
(17,931 posts)....now it seems some cops are just itching to go hands on no matter what. When in doubt, beat the shit out of them. If they resist, shoot them. It's the product of a police culture rotting from within. Maybe new cops should be sent to the UK for a few months to see how real police officers handle themselves. That is before they're corrupted by American law enforcement goons.
unblock
(52,253 posts)because of their training. they're supposed to know certain things and can be held responsible for not performing to the appropriate standard.
it doesn't seem that there is any similar concept for the police. they're supposed to be professionals, trained not just in aiming guns, but also in, you know, resolving conflicts without feeling the need to kill people ffs.
if anything, they're held to a *lower* standard because they have a dangerous job and are brave for putting themselves on the line every day. well, it's not brave if you handle that fear by shooting people with little to know provocation.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Really, has anyone ever choked or felt like they were in danger of dying?
and you do fight to breathe.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Muscle memory is real, the body won't quit until it is dead...even the heart won't quit beating. Getting choked in a real fight is scary and infuriating at the same time...you want it to stop and if you fail to you pass out or worse.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in Louisiana, the African-American male gun death rate is 30/1,000 (more than twice that of Chicago) ...
This drives African-American males to carry guns (legally) for self-defense ...
which makes them/us more subject to being stopped, and killed, by cops.
Can't win for losing.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)This whole entire, police have a dangerous job mantra, needs to be re-visited. It has made them completely unaccountable to doing their job in a responsible manner.
Whip out the gun and pull the trigger. But usually only when it is a black male.
Nay
(12,051 posts)My feeling is if you are that damned scared you shouldn't be a cop.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... being governed by losers ...
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Here, it's our Natives who get targeted, as well as black men. Fortunately, it's pretty rare for even that to happen. Neighborhoods aren't segregated, everybody knows their neighbors.
Makes me sick.
It happens with extremely less frequency than in the Lower 48, however. Most of our cops WANT to be here, and are part of the communities. Some imports get squirrely, but either get their attitude adjusted by fellow cops and civilians or are made to leave.
We're lucky here. And believe me, we know it.
RIP, Mr. Castile and Mr. Sterling.
doubledave27
(3 posts)The civil war was for nothing. The slave patrols were given badges and the plantations turned into prisons. Born out of genocide, slavery and guns, this nation is irredeemable.
aintitfunny
(1,421 posts)It was an execution.
tom_kelly
(960 posts)The term the police use when referring to people. They don't call them a citizen, a person, a female, a male, etc. The police refer to people as SUBJECTS. They're taught that from day one in the academy - the beginning of the dehumanizing the people process. Criminal justice reform must begin at day one of the police academy all the way through the parole process. God bless the families of these men.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)since Desert Storm, L/E, facing declining budgetary resources, can up with the idea of recruiting combat veterans ... The thinking was, 1) combat vets know, and practice, discipline (cost savings, as you don't have to screen for that trait); 2) you don't have to train combat vets to use deadly force (cost savings in training); and, 3) it was the "patriotic" thing to do. So combat vets have been at the front of the recruitment line for a couple of decades.
If I were the L/E Recruitment Czar, combat vets would be moved to the back of the Recruitment line BECAUSE their combat training goes against everything necessary to end the (unjustified) killings ... de-escalation; they are all about command and control.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)The purpose and the intent is, or should be, vastly different. There was a time when killing a suspect was considered a loss for police. Now it just saves them paperwork.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The only military vets I would recruit are state-side or military base MPs ... from what I have heard from some friends that are MPs, they are trained to de-escalate ... and culturally, use of a weapon to "control" a situation is stigmatized.
BTW, my Dad (R.I.P.) was a cop.
When I was entering my senior year of High school, my career was set ... I was going to be a cop; like my Dad and his brother. But my Dad told me he would support me being anything in the world ... but a cop. He had a deep distrust of cops ... from the age of about 5 (what I have a clear memory) until my Dad retired, I could count the number of cops that had been to our home on my hands and one foot ... I could count the number of white cops, on two fingers of one hand.
tom_kelly
(960 posts)I went through the police academy in 1991 and was on the job only a few years in NJ. It was bad enough back then that excessive force was one of reasons I left. It has only become worse since.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Maybe the arms and legs flail around or the chest convulses? Are you saying cops should have a 6th grade education? They should understand their job?
Dream on, all cops seem to understand is that if the body resists it must be put down. They prove it with every murder.