How does a spontaneous protest turn into this?

[Joe the Revelator]

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An ambush with four shooters possibly triangelating fire.....bombs planted all over the city. 10 cops shot. Its surreal.

[GaYellowDawg]

1. Take one peaceful protest, add crazy, murderous people with guns. That's how.

It is surreal.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. Maybe I'm being naieve, but how this went off would have needed more plan then this protest had

You have only 1 civilian shot, police officers who train for this kind of stuff, in this city, get absolutely wrecked. It doesn't make sense. I'm not folding tinfoil, but this just wasn't a couple of people who wanted to shoot guns.

[GaYellowDawg]

9. Crazy and murderous doesn't mean stupid or incompetent.

Crazy and murderous people can come up with and carry out complex plans. Like Timothy McVeigh. Or ISIS. Or Nazis.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. Yeah but all of those took at least weeks to plan. This was a protest of events that occurre 48 hour

ago.

[Ex Lurker]

19. All they needed was knowledge of the route

and that's easy to find out. There are claims of bombs all over the city, but until verified, I'm putting that down as the ranting of an unhinged individual. This is someone who has been stockpiling weapons and ammo, and improvised a hasty ambush on a target of opportunity. I also doubt there were four shooters. One, or at most two is more likely. The guys in the Mercedes have already been released, and the original person of interest has been ruled out. That leaves the barricaded suspect and a possible female accomplice.

[GaYellowDawg]

25. Good point. I think we may be coming at this with different definitions of crazy.

I think someone who does something like this is crazy by default. They're someone with such a skewed mindset that they carry out an atrocity believing that they are justified. I think that's crazy. But I can understand how someone would say that "crazy" excludes people who can think of and carry out complex plans.

[riversedge]

34. This evil group perhaps was not part of the peaceful protest.

[groundloop]

50. This evil individual/group was DEFINITELY NOT part of the peaceful protest

Sadly, this even will severely weaken the peaceful protest which has been taking place all over the country. As we have all too often witnessed, all it takes is one crazy person with a weapon.

[yeoman6987]

51. Definitely took the protests out of the news for sure.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. 10 cops shot - I don't think they're dead.

[KeepItReal]

3. It did not. This was a premeditated, well planned ambush

from triangulated, elevated positions using rifles.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Thats what I'm saying. The events leading to this protest march happened within 48 hours....

how was the planning in places to pull off these assassinations in that little bit of time, with what appears to be skill and training.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

12. Maybe the protest and the ambush had nothing but opportunity for the shooters to...

...kill cops in common?

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Even then, how would you be able the logistics from 'this is the parade route' to we have the guns..

the bombs and are ready to do some fancy gun shooting just aren't there to me.

[Ex Lurker]

23. This is just not that sophisticated an attack

Claims of bombs nothwithstanding, (which so far are unverified.). Once he knew the route, which was public knowledge, it didn't take any more logistics than loading up his trunk and driving to the parking garage. Trying to make this more than it is falls into the hands of truthers and conspiracy theorists.

[PersonNumber503602]

33. I agree, I don't see why this is something that requires a lot of planning.

They could have very well have just been walking around with a gym bag looking for a location with lots of "targets", and accessible places that were ideal for carrying out the attack.

[snooper2]

45. All one or multiple people had to do is say, grab our guns, lets kill some cops

Not rockets science...These assholes or asshole just got high positions, waited till the end of the protest, and started shooting cops...

[greyl]

5. Could be an oppurtunistic terrorist cell with previous plans. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

7. That is an interesting take...

[greyl]

8. They sure don't appear to be sympathic to the peaceful protestors' cause. nt

[Bucky]

28. that seems most likely. I'm just waiting for the conspiracy nuts to get started with this

two shooters, for shooters, they may have up to 10 Shooters on the roofs going by the end of next week, and they'll tie it to the CIA, the trilateral commission, the Obama Administration, the Queen of England, and the pope before they're all done

[greyl]

30. Good thing at least a couple are in custody alive, yes. nt

[Laffy Kat]

10. I'm still wondering if it's an agent provocateur. nt

[AntiBank]

29. regardless of what "team" they are batting for, they ARE

agents provocateur. This is going to blow the fuck up any way you roll the dice.

[snooper2]

46. oh jesus b. fucking christ on a melon

[HamiltonSwan]

11. The police chief said police met with event organizers

He said officers has attended "planning meetings with event organizers" in the most recent presser.

So if the event was publicized it lends credence to the idea this was a well thought out operation by people who have some idea of what they're doing.

[Joe the Revelator]

16. In what time frame though? 24 hours? 36 tops? This seems like a large attack to throw together in 36

hours.

[Rex]

18. Not for a military/para-military organization.

Quick mobilization is one aspect.

[HamiltonSwan]

21. I'm just repeating what he said in their last presser

Lots of facts still out there.

As someone else said, it's not a moon shot. If you've got nutters who have been training and planning something for whatever the next opportunity is, its just a matter of loading up and going downtown to set up shop along what is apparently a standard all occasion parade route where they would assume a lot of cops would be.

[sarisataka]

26. I hate to admit

but I could call up a friend or two and we could plan something like this in a couple hours. It is not a difficult tactical problem.

Of course we are all former military and to do something like this to civilians (including police) is completely anathema to our beliefs, training and nature. Even in combat the goal of an ambushe would be to immediately overwhelm the enemy and cause them to surrender.

[tblue37]

38. The various sovereign citizen militias are packed with former military right wingers. nt

[Rex]

14. They used the protest to attract law enforcement to be in place to be ambushed.

Not saying the protesters or organizers are involved, just that this sounds like a planned ambush.

[sarisataka]

17. Four shooters?

I thought it was two.

Have any actual bombs been found?

[herding cats]

20. My very same questions.

Thank you for asking them! This is all new to me.

[Nevernose]

24. I assumed two shooters, two spotters

Except in this case the spotters probably served as look outs, equipment-toters, and get away drivers.

[AntiBank]

32. 3 potentials in custody. 1 is female. 4th is cornered in El Centro

College garage. Unknown numbers of others in the wind.

[Binkie The Clown]

22. Don't be shocked. This is nothing new.

1829 – Cincinnati riots of 1829
1834 – New York Anti-abolitionist riots
1835 – Baltimore bank riot
1835 August – Snow Riot Lynch mob and riots in Washington, D.C.
1836 – Cincinnati riots of 1836
1837 – New York Flour Riot
1841 – Cincinnati riots of 1841
1844 – Philadelphia Nativist Riots
1849 – Astor Place Riot
1850 – Squatters' Riot (California)
1851 – Christiana Riot (Christiana, Pennsylvania)
1853 – Cincinnati riot of 1853
1855 – Bloody Monday (Louisville, Kentucky)
1855 – Portland Rum Riot (Portland, Maine)
1855 – Lager Beer Riot (Chicago)
1856 – Know-Nothing Riot of 1856 (Baltimore)
1857 – Know-Nothing Riot (Washington, D.C.)
1857 – New York City Police Riot

And the list goes on, and on, and on, without any let up. There's nothing new or unusual about what's happening today. It's already happened hundreds of times before. Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots for some historical perspective on things.

Young folks who don't pay any attention to history think everything that's happening right now is something that's never happened before. They couldn't be more wrong.

[gopiscrap]

31. Interesting

thanks

[Bucky]

27. open carry in Texas means spontaneous moments can turn into ambushes

I live in Texas. I have a friend in Dallas who texted me to say he was holed up in a restaurant during of the shootings.

the crazy is turned up to eleven in Texas today. There was a mosque in College Station, TX that got shot up. No one was hurt there, but it's still a pretty terrible day to be an American.

[MFM008]

35. im waiting for them to be accused of being Black Muslims

so the repukes can go nuts
and the dumpster fire can give another hour long press conference and sell his dirty undies.
And blame Hillary.
And democrats.
And the usual puke the media will lap up.

[Lee-Lee]

36. People could plan something like this in a matter of hours

It's not a huge complex operation- just a matter of taking high ground and shooting.

If bombs are confirmed then that takes more planning, but they could have been making or holding those for a while and siezed upon the protest as their time to act.

[get the red out]

37. Bad guys taking advantage

What a great cover! A peaceful protest with everyone in the line of fire, and erupting in chaos, was probably what these murderers were hoping would provide cover for their escape, IMO.

[oberliner]

39. Nothing you have written here is true

You should delete these lies.

[Trekologer]

47. I probably should feed the troll but in defense of the OP..

"An ambush with four shooters"

Three suspects in custody and one dead. 3 + 1 = 4.

"possibly triangelating fire"

It has been reported that shots were fired from more than one elevated position. That seems to fit the definition of triangulation.

".....bombs planted all over the city"

In the ~9AM press conference, the police chief said that one of the suspects claimed that there were IEDs.

"10 cops shot"

I think the count is up to 12 now. I guess that is the only part that isn't true?

[NCTraveler]

40. I would say the protest wasn't spontaneous.

It was no secret they were going to shoot another black man.

These protests are a continuation of protest spanning over a century fighting back against oppression.

[Joe the Revelator]

41. That's not the point I'm bringing up.

You know that.

[NCTraveler]

44. It is the point.

This could have easily been planned for years. It no secret that there will be more protests after more black people are shot. It is flat out a known quantity.

[Javaman]

42. Bombs? I haven't heard about that. nt

[Bettie]

43. I read that no bombs have been found

So, that may have been a false claim. I certainly hope so.

[Wounded Bear]

48. It's called "target of opportunity"...

Just like Benghazi. Have a plan ready, and when an event like this occurs, you kick it into high gear.

The presence of crowds adds to the confusion and provides cover for your terrorist act.

Terrorism 101

[Statistical]

49. Exactly. It was both planned and spontaneous.

The shooters planned to carry out an attack, probably even practiced and did rehearsals but at the same time they were flexible. They looked for an opportunity and when one presented itself they put the plan into action.