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Clarence Aaron is serving three life terms for a small-time college cocaine deal, another victim of heinous mandatory drug sentencing laws.
This is a simple truth: the United States is the only country in the first world that imposes life sentences to teenagers for small-time, non-violent drug offenses. In fact, the American legal system does so with alarming regularity, spending $40 billion a year to lock up hundreds of thousands of low-level dealers. The practice began when Ronald Reagan declared a "War on Drugs" in 1986, and has spread steadily since then. The following year, Congress enacted its federal mandatory sentencing guidelines, which automatically buried tens of thousands of low-level, non-violent drug offenders in the belly of the beast for decadeseven for multiple life terms. Just ask Clarence Aaron, inmate number 05070-003.
At the age of 24, Aaron was sentenced to three life terms for his role in a cocaine deal. That's effectively three times the sentence imposed upon Faisal Shahzad, who tried to set off a car bomb in Times Square in 2010. Aaron was a student and football player at Southern University in Baton Rouge. He'd never been arrested. In 1992, he made the mistake of being present for the sale of nine kilograms of cocaine and the conversion of one kilo of coke to crack. Aaron would have earned $1,500 for introducing the buyer and seller. He never actually touched the drugs.
Though his role was minor, Aaron received the longest sentence of anyone involved in the conspiracy when he refused to cooperate with authorities. His case gained national attention in 1999, when he appeared in "Snitch," a PBS Frontline documentary about prisoners serving long sentences after refusing to turn informant. Since then, a loose, bipartisan coalition of lawmakers and civil rights activists have championed efforts to have President Obama commute his sentence. But its now 2012 and Clarence Aaron is still locked up, despite the fact that the Federal Prosecutors Office that tried the case and the sentencing judge have supported immediate commutation. US District Court Judge Charles Butler, who sentenced Aaron, recently wrote, "Looking through the prism of hindsight, and considering the many factors argued by the defendant that were not present at the time of his initial sentencing, one can argue that a less harsh sentence might have been more equitable."
lookingfortruth
(263 posts)HE DID TOUCH THE DRUGS he didn't force the person to buy the drugs. But this is what the fuck happens in a country where prisoners are basically a commodity thanks to the Corrupt justice system that has been allowing the corporate prison system to get bigger and bigger.
We should be ashamed of ourselves!
Keep in mind Norway as a repeat criminal rate of 2%. We have a repeat rate of 50%.
THE HONESTLY TRULY SAD PART: IF rehab centers could make money and become a for profit centers we would see rehab centers for just about EVERY crime and maybe be a little better off.
jp11
(2,104 posts)face an easier sentence. I suppose that would be a factor but I don't know enough about the case and didn't see it in the story.
Still it is extremely screwed up as are many of our drug laws and even regular laws where someone can get more time for robbing a bank than killing someone or even several people.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)what happens to snitches, don't you? Snitches are not held in high regard by either those they snitch on nor those they snitch to. And, the authorities keep coming back over and over again to the snitches coercing them into even more "deals" in an effort to entrap others. Snitching is not good for your soul.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Some even testify at court. It's a common practice, even by the most hardened of criminals.
The subject line of the post/article is also a little disengenious. He didn't just witness the drug deal. He was a participant who stood to gain money from it.
It does seem that one life sentence or 30 or 40 years would've been more appropriate, though. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances? A rap sheet, maybe?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Different crime, different person, different criminal background, difference circumstances, different acts of cooperation maybe, different jurisdiction.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)who got 25 years.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)no desire whatsoever.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He's young. He should've saved himself. Instead he ended up in prison for life.
Plus, as I said...he was a participant. He wasn't just a "witness," as the subject line says. And you don't know his criminal background. So why would you even have an opinion without having all the facts?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)for the rest of his days.
(Is this: needed? How about this: ? )
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That means you're easily persuaded and easy to get hotheaded about things, without realizing you don't have all the facts.
Tell me something about this guy's background and rap sheet, and I'll tell you why this guy got life in prison for participating in a drug deal and refusing to cooperate.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)not to find a prison full of snitches, though. Criminals aren't exactly ethical people; when caught, they'll sing like birds, to use a cliche, if it cuts their time.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)for every person in the OP, there are 100 other harder, tougher criminals who will happily spill their guts...I knew a guy in prison who was part of a drug ring run out of Ft. Bragg -- These guys made a blood oath (they were all Airborne or Green Berets or something) to never turn rat, and of course when the first person got caught on something minor, he sent all 10-12 comrades up the river...
It's all fun and cool to celebrate the 'don't snitch' culture, just don't be surprised when the courtesy isn't returned...
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)TBF
(32,090 posts)At least in jail he has a chance of getting his sentence commuted down the road.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)If I'm looking at three life sentences, I'm turning those other assholes in and taking my chances on the run -- Especially since most of these smaller neighborhood drug operations have a very short time in power...If worst comes to worst, I'm going down shooting...
Vattel
(9,289 posts)The mere fact that I break a law doesn't give the fucking government the right to put me away for life. Grossly disproportionate punishment violates human rights. Unfortunately the Supreme Court has basically said that there is no 8th Amendment protection against disproportionate punishment.
spicegal
(758 posts)and "war on drugs". Putting a any young person away for life, unless it's something particularly egregious, like cold blooded murder, is ridiculous. It feels like our justice/penal system is resembling that of a banana republic. It's no about justice.
TBF
(32,090 posts)It's about profit. When prisons are for-profit they are going to be full. That's how capitalism works ...
marble falls
(57,204 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)marble falls
(57,204 posts)SecurityManager
(124 posts)He set up the buy and then refused to cooperate? Typical now looking for tears and I could care less.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep him in prison for how ever long he lives. Was he that big of a threat to society?
SecurityManager
(124 posts)I have let him rot I have no sympathy for drug dealers, pedos and murderers.
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hobbit709
(41,694 posts)you sound like someone that I'd rather be around a crack addict than you.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)The fact is, our prisons are so overcrowded with non-violent drug crimes with insanely long mandatory sentences, that we do not have the room to house the pedos and murderers (who in a lot of cases have much shorter mandatory sentences).
The war on drugs is in part done for the Prison Industrial Complex (to assure slave labor and profit) and in part by Big Pharma (because that is the only LEGAL Drug Cartel allowed).
marble falls
(57,204 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)murderers," what is your opinion on the big tobacco companies? What is your opinion of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney?
frylock
(34,825 posts)ever seen kids on alcohol?
Occulus
(20,599 posts)from a crackhead or a meth head. And I've known several.
Fortunately, there is only one sure cure for your sort of opinion: bleak intolerance. The degree of Authoritarianism you're expressing has no place in any decent society, period.
Now, go read more about this particular case. It might do some good for you.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)I respectfully disagree with you on one single point: the severity of the punishment.
I don't think anyone is arguing that a crime was not committed. I don't think anyone is saying Mr. Aaron is not guilty. I don't think the majority of decent people would argue that Mr. Aaron should not have served any time behind bars.
It's the severity of the punishment. Being locked up forever. If it was me for that I'd have tried to have killed myself by now.
IMO he should be out of jail by now. Nearly 20 years in jail for merely introducing a dealer to a victim. People do murder and rape and serve less time than this.
It also serves society as a whole no purpose than to have Mr. Aaron as a burden to the taxpayers of this country, where he could be out working doing something.
Yes, I'm from England. When someone is locked up over there, they typically serve time in Her Majesty's Prison (HMP). But most people say that they're staying at Her Majesty's Pleasure. We don't have a King or Queen here in the USA, so Mr. Aaron is serving time under Uncle Sam's Pleasure.
It's a simple question: Does the punishment fit the crime? My answer is no, it does not.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Or maybe you should read the posted information.
TBF
(32,090 posts)it's hard to stop them without a hidden post. fwiw ...
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)The poster doesn't have sympathy for someone who was involved in a drug deal and you're chastising them because the title of the OP says he should be sympathetic to them.
This place is not what it used to be, and that's sad.
RC
(25,592 posts)Our country's prisons are full of men such as this, that do not deserve their fate. To blow them off as deserving of their fate simply because they are in prison, is cold hearted Republican style thinking.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)nope, it sure isn't the same place. more and more we see posters like yourself arguing in favor of right-wing talking points. sad indeed.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)get the fuck out, you're joking, right? This is an appropriate punishment?
Oh you just forgot the sarcasm smiley. Ah, silly me. You got me.
Oh wait, no really get the fuck out.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)... have a way of getting Mr. Aaron out. Something called the 8th Amendment to the US constitution, and something mentioning "cruel and unusual punishment" ?
Three life sentences for introducing a drug dealer to a customer - a first time offence? And simply because the sentencing laws mandate a severe punishment for this crime ... in a wholly arbitrary fashion? If Wikipedia is to be believed, it cites a 1972 case of Furman vs Georgia where the judge laid out guidelines for what is considered cruel and unusual. Mr. Aaron's case would have fit those guidelines perfectly.
However times change and not always for the better. Again using Wikipedia, Harmelin vs Michigan - a US Supreme Court case in 1991 - seemed to turn this on its head. A certain Justice Scalia, along with Chief Justice Rhenquist, in their majority ruling wrote that the 8th Amendment did not include any proportionality guarantees - and that the 8th Amendment should be taken with no regard to the crime at hand. Therefore someone handling a pound or more of cocaine sentenced to life without parole under a mandatory sentence was not considered to be cruel and unusual.
So if we were faced with a 1970s court system, Mr. Aaron would have served at most a few years in prison. Today he faces his entire life behind bars. Plus given the present serving justices on the Supreme Court, I could only presume that Scalia would refer back to the 1991 case as a reason why Mr. Aaron's three life sentences is not cruel and unusual.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Mr. Aaron did not commit a crime. However his sentence is completely absurd.
So back to my subject response. IMO that judge should vacate that sentencing, with a stay to be appealed to a higher court, invoking the 8th Amendment. Take it to the Supremes again. Give them the opportunity to look at the sentence again and rule that it is cruel and unusual.
RC
(25,592 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/clarence-aaron-case-plea-presidential-mercy_n_1516098.html
Maybe we should retire the Lady of Justice and use the Executioner and the Taskmaster, with the bull whip, her place. After all what are our prisons, but mostly black slave labor? Where is the Justice in our Justice System, where the proven innocent are executed and petty criminals receive life sentences.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)"...one can argue that a less harsh sentence might have been more equitable."
No duh, Judge!
The 'Drug War' is yet another source of obscene profits for the Corporate Megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our politics, and our global economy. Of course, it's a bonus for the Megs that it keeps some of our most creative individuals stoned into oblivion.
midnight
(26,624 posts)income potential...
Romulox
(25,960 posts)he'd only be serving a single life sentence!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)We have a draconian, class and race based, political retribution system posing as a legal system.
Thanks for the thread, xchrom.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Is it really that difficult for some people to avoid?
The sentence is harsh I will admit, but he did get a life line and declined.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)In the state of Indiana a person convicted of armed robbery will serve about five years in prison; someone convicted of rape will serve about twelve; and a convicted murderer can expect to spend twenty years behind bars. These figures are actually higher than the figures nationwide: eight years and eight months in prison is the average punishment for an American found guilty of murder. The prison terms given by Indiana judges tend to be long, but with good behavior an inmate will serve no more than half the nominal sentence. Those facts are worth keeping in mind when considering the case of Mark Young. At the age of thirty-eight Young was arrested at his Indianapolis home for brokering the sale of 700 pounds of marijuana grown on a farm in nearby Morgan County. Young was tried and convicted under federal law. He had never before been charged with drug trafficking. He had no history of violent crime. Young's role in the illegal transaction had been that of a middlemanhe never distributed the drugs; he simply introduced two people hoping to sell a large amount of marijuana to three people wishing to buy it. The offense occurred a year and a half prior to his arrest. No confiscated marijuana, money, or physical evidence of any kind linked Young to the crime. He was convicted solely on the testimony of co-conspirators who were now cooperating with the government. On February 8, 1992, Mark Young was sentenced by Judge Sarah Evans Barker to life imprisonment without possibility of parole.
AJTheMan
(288 posts)Simply because the war on drugs is retarded.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)That is what the inmates of for-profit prisons are, slaves.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)The sentence is still ridiculous. It would be a ridiculous sentence if he was making the deal himself, but the title of the article is misleading.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)If the objective is mass-propaganda then sensational headlines are ideal. More people see news stories than read news stories.
But when your target audience is people concerned with policy they may be more critical readers than average.
To me, when I hit something in a story that is plainly false I tend to lose interest... I won't know which successive statements are true, so why bother.
So an otherwise perfectly good story about excessive sentencing is spoiled.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Have you considered that this could very easily have been Barack Obama's fate with just a moment of bad luck?
And do you ever consider how many Barack Obama's there already are that are languishing in prisons across the nation? People that you are all so righteously willing to simply throw away simply because you don't know them?
And you dare to call yourselves liberal...
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)There would be a topic here titled "man sentenced to death for public urination"
This guy was a paid middleman in a transaction for twenty pounds of cocaine, not a kid selling ditch weed at the skateboard park. Yeah... you go to jail for that.