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Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
1. My guess would be
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:30 AM
Jul 2016

That who ever committed this heinous act of terrorism are right wing but jobs that are the type hoping to start a race war.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
4. Sadly, yes, regardless of their race, these killers are pro-racial disharmony and anti-civility
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jul 2016

I guess one could make an argument that they're "right wing" in some sense of the phrase. What they really are is nihilists, like ISIL or al-Qaeda or the Klan or the Aryan Nation or the Shining Path guerrillas. They're not fighting for freedom. They're fighting for destruction and destabilization.

And they seem to be winning this week.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
5. Claims of false flag killings are often, well, false
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jul 2016

BLM is not a despotic hierarchy which imposes perfect allegiance and unwavering orthopraxy. Occam's Razor would suggest more likely possibilities for an attack on police at a protest against police killing of black men, but all anyone can deal with is possibilities. Best hope is just for random nutcases being nutcases, but I wouldn't call that a safe bet.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
7. Someone this deliberative is not a "random nutcase". This was calculated. When I say false flag
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jul 2016

what I mean is that their goals and means were diametrically opposed to the goals BLM espouses in all the rallies and conversations I've had with BLM activists. They might be fringe members of BLM, but they don't represent the movement in any sense.

That would be like saying Mark David Chapman represents John Lennon fans. Regardless of the sick individual's obsessions and desires, the movement as a whole was about going in an entirely opposite direction.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
8. Well no false flag is a much deeper accusation than that
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:56 AM
Jul 2016

It's highly unlikely that BLMs political enemies, such as white supremacists, decided to murder police at a black-led protest to make them look bad, which is what a false flag operation would be. Far more likely these are people genuinely upset at police killing black men who think revenge is a better response than political pressure and peaceful protest.

I'm also not sure getting a gun onto a high vantage pooint is beyond the wit of random nutcases. Hardly a devilishly cunning plot.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
6. What if the shooters were active in Black Lives Matter or Sovereign Citizens?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jul 2016

Is the group responsible for the actions of all of its members?

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