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Surgeon at Dallas hospital - a doctor who has been profiled and who knows the pain speaks.
Let's hear from the rest of American doctors - time to stop the killing and stop the guns
http://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2016/07/parkland-surgeon-we-have-to-cometogether-and-end-all-this/
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Christ, the gunners don't even want to discuss gun safety with their physicians.
I saw a little of the doctor, it was very good. You are right, time to stop the killing.
malaise
(269,219 posts)Dr. Williams says he wants time off - I am in tears.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)A physician declined to provide further services to a family that didn't want to answer the question regarding guns in the household.
Nothing would have stopped the physician from handing over a pamphlet on safe storage even after the law was created.
I never liked the law in Florida which prevented physicians from asking about guns in the home, but I didn't like what that doctor did even more.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)1. First, what does the statute actually do?
A. It provides that a doctor may not ask questions (in writing or orally) concerning the ownership [or home possession] of a firearm or ammunition by the patient or by a family member, unless the doctor in good faith believes that this information is relevant to the patients medical care or safety, or the safety of others. And, according to the court, relevant here means relevant based on some particularized information about the individual patient, for example, that the patient is suicidal or has violent tendencies. A doctor thus may not ask all patients, or all patients with children, whether they own guns, whether on an intake questionnaire or in person, even if the doctor believes that this information would indeed be useful in giving general advice about safe gun storage, the supposed dangers of any gun ownership, and the like.
B. It bans doctors from intentionally enter[ing] any disclosed information concerning firearm ownership into the patients medical record if the practitioner knows that such information is not relevant to the patients medical care or safety, or the safety of others, with the same interpretation of relevant.
You can read the rest at the link, that discusses the minor issue that apparently irritates you in one case. The statute ties the doc's hands because gunners don't want to hear the truth.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)The bolded section is about asking questions verbally or in writing.
I said a pamphlet on gun safety/safe storage could be handed out.
They couldn't ban doctors from declining to provide services, but they tried to ban doctors from asking questions about gun ownership.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Fact is, law limits asking yahoos if they guns are safe around their kids.
If I were a doc, I wouldn't treat these gunners' kids either, unless they answered questions/concerns on guns, unless they had a immediate emergency:
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)has to look the gunner in the face and say, "you are putting your kids at risk and others, plus your gun loving kid is likely to grow up to he a callous, racist GOPer, is that what you want because you need gunz to feel empowered." There's more, but you get what's necessary.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)You scare me Hoyt.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)pushing the baby's hand away. I am assuming that is not a toy gun?
Start safety early IMO looks like she is treating it as a play distraction
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)It's part of our assessment. No one has challanged us on this question.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Because that is what happened in FL
I work in a hospital. We are mandated to treat every one.
We only ask people who come in for psychiatric evaluation and treatment
Ilsa
(61,707 posts)I think the pediatricians used to ask parents in the safety check if they had guns in the house and if they were stored safely. I am not sure they can even do that any more.
I guess if the kid shows up dying from a GSW in the emergency room, the dr. can mark that question in the questionnaire "Yes". Too bad they can't report it to the CDC.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)but since they only cover accidents they don't really care because it is not a huge financial risk to them. When I bought my house they asked about dogs and swimming pools but not guns.
hunter
(38,337 posts)My insurance company wanted to know about my dogs, going so far as to send a guy out to my house to check on that and a few other things (yes, the hot tub is empty and currently inoperable), but nope, they didn't ask me about guns.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)And they have asked about hot tubs.
hack89
(39,171 posts)that is why it is not a priority to them - guns don't cost them a lot of money.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)That's main reason "risk is low," most home owners policies barely cover enough to get one to the emergency room and an intial consultation and IVs.
And if you buy higher liability insurance from say the NRA, you recognize you might be the next george zimmerman or one to shoot an unarmed teenager on your front porch.
hack89
(39,171 posts)compared to the number of legal gun owners.
Your comment on higher liability insurance makes no sense. I have an umbrella policy that covers all accidents, not just guns. I was thinking more about some kid tripping and breaking an arm more than I was accidentally shooting someone. In any case, the guns are never loaded at the house, only at the range so I am not worried about a gun accident.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)line at Chuck E Cheese. Heck, some of our DU gunners have body armor to go along with their weapon cache. And we all know, George Zimmerman pretty much got a thumbs up for profiling, stalking, intimidating and finally murdering Trayvon Martin.
hack89
(39,171 posts)take away suicides and criminal activity and there are not many gun deaths attributable to legal gun owners. Very rare relative to how many legal gun owners there are.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)stupid enough to carry in public, intimidate people, and even carry a rifle to Dallas protests.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I feel no obligation to defer to the demons in your imagination. I am not the problem.
hunter
(38,337 posts)If the insured's own toddler finds a gun and shoots themselves or a sibling, if the insured shoots themselves or a someone else, if a sixteen year old gangster steals their gun to use in a drive-by shooting, they don't.
Why is that?
hack89
(39,171 posts)So they will pay out for two of your three examples. That is why I have additional liability insurance - just in case.
hunter
(38,337 posts)My wife and I once had a bad neighbor who was heavily invested in bad dogs and bad guns. Three chained pit bulls, and who knows how many guns, or how much ammunition.
Animal control, yep, the county dog catchers, mostly bad ass women, took him down at a dog fight. He went to jail, his landlord found nicer tenants.
Piss on guns. Why should guns be privileged? The second amendment is bullshit.
That simple
hack89
(39,171 posts)if you deliberately break the law to shoot someone then it is a crime. How does one use a hot tub to deliberately commit a crime and hurt someone?
hunter
(38,337 posts)How does it compare to misadventures by hot tub?
hack89
(39,171 posts)they don't want to expose themselves to such risk. Insurance companies are not going to help you with gun control.
hunter
(38,337 posts)In my family, yes. In my community, yes.
If I know you, if I decide you are a fool, then fear for your guns.
The Berserker genes are strong in me.
hack89
(39,171 posts)but their typical ignorance about guns is matched by their ignorance about insurance.
hunter
(38,337 posts)Would you like me to write more?
hack89
(39,171 posts)I am sure Wayne also appreciates the help people like you give the NRA. Makes his job a lot easier.
hunter
(38,337 posts)How about you?
Tell me a story.
hack89
(39,171 posts)who in 35 years of private gun ownership has never harmed a living thing. Like most Americans I have not been touched by gun violence. Now alcohol, drugs and mental illness ... I can tell you several devastating stories. I know what the real threat is to my family.
hunter
(38,337 posts)Go ahead, tell this mentally ill person who has been touched too frequently by gun violence.
Piss on guns.
hack89
(39,171 posts)gun violence is extremely rare.
hunter
(38,337 posts)I can do a walking tour "victims of gun violence" in my neighborhood.
Sad memorials, maintained by friends and family, teddy bears, flowers, crosses and such.
Once upon a time I was a privileged white child in an Ivory Soap 99/44% pure white community. My parents didn't like it, a job, it is what it is, and I fled, my siblings fled, and my parents fled days after they retired.
White Gun Fuckery U.S.A. sucks.
Would you like to hear a story?
hack89
(39,171 posts)you hate guns. I get it. I see no reason to cater to your fears - I enjoy guns and intend to keep enjoying them. Not sure we have much to discuss.
hunter
(38,337 posts)Scrubbing brains out of the carpet and shit.
If it was so traumatic then by all means resist every effort to make you buy and own guns ... oh wait. No one is forcing you to own guns. Never mind.
hunter
(38,337 posts)Are you us?
I don't have any nice gun stories, aside from the obviously rabid skunk or raccoon variety.
Shooting lost and confused bats in the attic is nuts...
People have told me I'm very talented with guns, a fucking cold autistic spectrum Gary guy, but all I see is brains on the carpet.
PTSD shit.
Would you like to hear a story about the worst landlord in the world?
His solution to many sordid things was Kilz.
hunter
(38,337 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)hunter
(38,337 posts)People are social creatures.
I'm an autistic spectrum idiot savant, I learned that from my dogs.
My postings on DU are hard won.
Guns?
Nope. It's probably someone trying to use me.
Brains on the carpet, no thanks.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)He was nearly sobbing because he couldn't save those cops, and because his black brothers in MN and LA had been massacred.
malaise
(269,219 posts)This is a lovely diverse group - they are in the business of saving lives - they are discussing what to do the next time.Maybe it's time for the society to do the same.
For me this is the best medical press conference ever.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)malaise
(269,219 posts)this is about the real problems - I'm loving this.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)couldn't be more stark and damning.
Compassionate, competent, caring "love-in-action" vs. rabble-rousing "law and order" rhetoric.
The toupéed fucktrumpet had the gall to label himself the "compassionate candidate".
malaise
(269,219 posts)Can't watch for too long
Spazito
(50,514 posts)I hope more and more speak out as he did.
malaise
(269,219 posts)This is important because all our professionals face this racism. He needs a vacation or he will break down.
malaise
(269,219 posts)and their associations speak out more against the guns particularly the assault rifles?
Where is the AMA, CDC - why does CDC allow ReTHUG bullies to prevent them from doing research?
This is the moment to shut down the fucking anti-science duncified ReTHUGs and the Fundie friends
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)They are also fed up.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)If you can believe it, my bro., an emergency room physician, was SO afraid of "Obummer" taking away the nation's gunzzz, that he went out-of-state to buy an AR-15 (they're illegal in his state).
He'd never been interested in owning gunzzz before, but suddenly, faced with the "Obummer menace", he needed one so that he could "target practice" with his doc. buddies.
The AMA is a RW organization in large part.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Doctors calling gun violence a 'very public health crisis' Doctors calling gun violence a 'very public health crisis'
Wednesday, 15 Jun 2016 | 9:02 AM ET|00:34
"The massacre in Orlando spurred the American Medical Association on Tuesday to formally call gun violence "a very public health crisis," and say the organization will "actively lobby" Congress to end a funding ban on federal health research into the problem."
"With approximately 30,000 men, women and children dying each year at the barrel of a gun in elementary schools, movie theaters, workplaces, houses of worship and on live television, the United States faces a public health crisis of gun violence," said the AMA's president, Dr. Steven Stack.
"Even as America faces a crisis unrivaled in any other developed country, the Congress prohibits the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] from conducting the very research that would help us understand the problems associated with gun violence and determine how to reduce the high rate of firearm-related deaths and injuries."
The AMA noted it has "numerous, long-standing policies that support increasing the safety of firearms and their use, and reducing and preventing firearm violence." The group said it "recognizes that uncontrolled ownership and use of firearms, especially handguns, is a serious threat to the public's health inasmuch as the weapons are one of the main causes of intentional and unintentional injuries and deaths." The AMA has also supported legislation calling for a waiting period before purchasing any form of firearm in the U.S. and requiring background checks for all handgun purchasers.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/american-medical-association-says-gun-violence-is-a-public-health-crisis.html
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I am sure armed yahoos will say what do a bunch of physicians know about guns (they don't know a clip from a magazine, or a semi-auto from a full-auto)? Gunners always say crap like that.
Well, the docs get the see the mayhem gunners' sick habit produces, either directly or indirectly whether from a white wing terrorist, a stolen gun in Chicago, a child who finds daddy's little helper under the bed, some disturbed teenager introduced to the gun culture by a proud daddy, some yahoo shooting an unarmed kid because he could, some toter who screws up, and worse.
malaise
(269,219 posts)medical peeps face the worst of it
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)a difference.
Spazito
(50,514 posts)but those who have tried are drowned out by the NRA and their republican acolytes thanks to a media who facilitates them, imo.
malaise
(269,219 posts)If GEM$NBComcast had one iota of sense, decency or interest in the current racial discourse, they'd carry this at 10.00pm instead of that stupid Jebusenoughfuggingbushes interview with Nicole Wallace, the family friend.
Spazito
(50,514 posts)My Canadian news network has been covering it extensively, commenting on the power and emotion exhibited by the doctors, especially Dr. Williams.
malaise
(269,219 posts)Guess M$Greedia has moved on to the latest shooting in Michigan. I give up.
Spazito
(50,514 posts)CBC has moved to the Michigan shooting as well but they will continue to showcase Dr. Williams' emotional plea as well which is what I like, they multi-task when it comes to the news instead of dropping the previous big story completely to cover the next one.
malaise
(269,219 posts)Spazito
(50,514 posts)That is a very interesting site, I will have to take a good look at what it offers, thanks for the link!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)explicitly forbidding the CDC from doing any research related to guns, gun violence, or how to prevent the violence.
Explicitly forbidding. That's what our Congress did.
Spazito
(50,514 posts)however I would like to see the CDC speak out against that very restriction and they have not to any extent from what I have heard and seen.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)they'd have been immediately fired.
In line with what's being said in this thread, I'm greatly bothered that doctors as individuals or as part of any of their professional organizations, have not spoken out against all the legislators who think they can practice medicine, especially in the area of restrictions on abortion.
Spazito
(50,514 posts)certainly stand out from the norm as would those in the profession who would call out the repub legislators on their egregious overreaching into the medical field to further their medieval views on the rights of women.
malaise
(269,219 posts)made more noise. They had better.
Why haven't Dems exposed ReTHUGs on this more.
I'd have ads for every shooting on their policies re guns and slaughter.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I also think that perhaps a good way to get actual gun control of some kind would be for every single newspaper do a big front page article every single time there is a death from a gun in their circulation area. And an article not very far inside of the woundings from guns. Every single local news broadcast should lead with that coverage. In some big cities (Chicago comes to mind) the front page and the entire half hour local news would be nearly all coverage of shootings.
But maybe people would finally figure out just how terrible the toll is.
I'm sincerely sorry that it has taken the mass shooting of cops for people to start caring so much. 20 school children were just a yawn. 49 people in a gay nightclub, who cares? But 5 police officers all at once actually created an attention span.
Don't get me wrong. I do not condone what happened in Dallas. But if you think about it, it's somewhat surprising that someone hasn't targeted cops before this. Maybe, just maybe, the NRA will finally lose all credibility.
I can only hope.
malaise
(269,219 posts)and the complete silence when he mentioned the two dead African-Americans killed by the police.
The racists are his fans.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)In fact, President Obama asked for and received from the CDC, a summation of research on guns, and the agency responded that the research to date was unable to substantiate the conclusions the research purported to show. NOTE: This included research John Lott's conclusions that more guns = less crime, or some such. Such a conclusion strongly indicates the CDC was well aware of the politics of the subject, both theirs and others.
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yodermon
(6,143 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Just that he had planned a much larger attack
pamela
(3,469 posts)I came on here to see if anyone was talking about it.
malaise
(269,219 posts)Still going on - this is all I want to hear - shut down the media hacks.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)They have no credibility and should have no more respect than any other corporation promoting their own greed.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Dallas Shooting Was NRAs Prescription For Black America, In Practice
The NRA were the only winners in Dallas.
Excellent Read
Hoyt
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misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Most honorable group of people.
WOW.
malaise
(269,219 posts)They lifted the tone of the discussion to the level required. I'm so glad I saw all of it.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)WTF!!!
malaise
(269,219 posts)During an otherwise straightforward press conference, a black doctor who treated dying Dallas police officers nearly broke down in tears Monday as he pleaded for an end to racial violence.
"This killing, it has to stop," Dr. Brian H. Williams, a trauma surgeon at Parkland Memorial Hospital, said during the afternoon conference.
"Black men dying and being forgotten. People retaliating against the people that are sworn to defend us. We have to come together and end all of this."
Williams told media he understands "the anger" black people hold against police officers, and remains haunted by the police killings of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota last week.
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The Press Conference was anything but straightforward.
Why would GEM$NBComcast play Jeb Bush's interview in full and not this.
I'd love CSpan to carry the entire Press Conference. You had to see it to believe it.
monmouth4
(9,711 posts)malaise
(269,219 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)flamingdem
(39,332 posts)felt so lucky to catch that presser, what honesty from him.
Dallas is looking impressive, great people.
malaise
(269,219 posts)but all of them impressed me.
I am so glad I caught it
mountain grammy
(26,659 posts)you have no soul.
malaise
(269,219 posts)People should be given the chance to watch it - it was the best post shooting medical press conference I have ever seen
malaise
(269,219 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)On edit:. Could be worse
http://www.nie.edu.sg/profile/chew-shit-fun
Everyone's first thought
HipChick
(25,485 posts)stage left
(2,966 posts)malaise
(269,219 posts)Did Joe Scum cover this?