Hey Wayne, when is enough enough?

[Stinky The Clown]

Open carry laws. Yeah Howdy!

Assault rifles as plentiful as mushrooms after a spring rain.

Got a grievance? Get a gun and go shoot at it.

Gunz Gunz Gunz

I have absolutely no doubt that, as I am typing this, you're there with your rapid response team coming up the spin.

You are one despicable man.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. I did a piece not a week ago citing exactly that.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. I just kicked that piece. It was exactly a week ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027997459

[Zynx]

27. Whether they're privately or publicly owned gun companies is irrelevant.

Guns are violent and disgusting by their very nature. I don't care if the company is listed on the NYSE. That's not where they're getting their money from. They're getting it from the people themselves.

[Dreamer Tatum]

3. How funny the order of the narrative goes

Certain people massacred: first jail everyone like them, then deal with guns.

Certain OTHER people massacred: deal with guns.
Full stop.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Wha are you on about?

[Joe the Revelator]

4. Ah, this agenda, instead of 'Americans, when is enough enough?'

When are we going to stop the cycle of violence?

[seabeyond]

6. Because it is about guns. Last night, one in the morning, a man and woman arguing outside their home

My son was uncomfortable what he was seeing when driving by. Turned around to see that all was ok. He was still uncomfortable because the woman said nothing, acting odd and he didn't know what to do, but the man had backed off a bit.

We were talking about it, and what a tough call that is. Good he stopped, but not addressing the woman was an oversight, figuring out what to do in that situation. BUT...

The consideration is that man could have a gun. And death.

That is our reality today. In every interaction. Gun, can be death.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. Can't speak to other agendas, but my agenda is "Melt 'em All Down"

[Amishman]

9. and until you realize that is not an option, we won't get anywhere

if we want to get ANYTHING passed (safe storage, better background checks) we need to openly admit that sweeping bans are not politically, logistically, or culturally possible.

We were so freakin close to universal background checks after Sandy Hook, until the zealots started barking for bans. The resulting backlash blocked everything.

[Stinky The Clown]

12. I'm sorry. But that IS my goal.

I am also a realist. But I will not lower my goal.

[seabeyond]

13. Then we have to go to carrying everywhere we go. Putting everyone at risk, all the fuckin' time

because the gun packers are so fuckin' afraid in life needing to protect themselves. Now, we have accident and purposeful killing going on all the time. We cannot interact with people in the real world knowing anything piss them off they can pull a gun and shoot.

The fearful have created a world we all now have to be fearful to live in.

Brilliant.

[SheilaT]

8. Cars get recalled because faulty airbags that

could injure or kill. Dressers get recalled because six children die. Volkswagen is vilified for altering emissions testing which could possibly lead to thirty additional deaths over a period of years.

And every day thirty or so people die in this country from guns. Some specific deaths get a lot of coverage, such as some sort of mass shooting, but otherwise, a giant yawn.

These recent cop killings might actually make people care enough to consider real gun laws, but I wouldn't count on it. If 20 dead elementary school children wasn't enough to change anything, nothing will. Plus, there are constant claims that guns used defensively somehow save more lives than are lost, which strikes me as pretty much horseshit.

[bdwker]

10. Try 83 people a day are killed with guns.

[SheilaT]

15. Thanks. I was misremembering and didn't bother to double check.

If only every single gun death would get wall to wall coverage, at least locally, after a while people would finally begin to understand how many people really do die from guns. And maybe, just maybe, even some of the most dedicated gun enthusiasts would get it that there need to be limits on guns.

Oh, and I also think photographs of the victims should be shown. The damage done by bullets is much worse than most people realize.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Yup

"Plus, there are constant claims that guns used defensively somehow save more lives than are lost, which strikes me as pretty much horseshit."

Yes, it is absolute horseshit. The only people who beehive that are the gun humpers who spew it as fact.

Actually, even they probably know its horseshit.

[hack89]

16. The CDC also believes that DGUs are common. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Pardon my non gun jumper status but what is a DGU?

[hack89]

18. Defensive Gun Use

I thought you were knowledgeable on the subject based on how firmly you expressed yourself . Guess not.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. I am exceedingly knowledgeable. I know the most MOST important point.

Melt 'em.

I can perfectly well express myself clearly on that point. I don't need all that NRA bullshit to know exactly what I need to know.

Melt 'em.

[hack89]

22. An active imagination makes childhood fun

Past a certain age one is expected to be more grounded in reality. Howeve , as a gun owner I have to admit that people like you reassure me that my guns are safe .

[Straw Man]

19. Do tell.

"Plus, there are constant claims that guns used defensively somehow save more lives than are lost, which strikes me as pretty much horseshit."

Yes, it is absolute horseshit. The only people who beehive that are the gun humpers who spew it as fact.

Allow me to retort.

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997).

--http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#15

Horseshit? Compare the absolutely lowest estimate of 108,000 defensive gun uses to 30,000 lives lost, 20,000 of which are suicides. It could be argued that not all of the incidents where a gun was used defensively would have otherwise resulted in the victim's death, but it could also be argued that the suicides would have occurred by other means in the absence of access to a gun. Both are speculation, so it's a wash. We are left with at least three times as many defensive gun uses as lives lost due to gun access.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Blah Blah Blah.

Melt 'em

[Straw Man]

24. Translation:

Blah Blah Blah.

Melt 'em

"Don't confuse me with facts. I've already made up my mind."

[Stinky The Clown]

25. Yes, I made up my mind long ago.

Melt 'em

[SwankyXomb]

28. Those items are defective.

Guns are doing exactly what they were designed to do: kill.

[n2doc]

14. When everybody has spent their last dime on guns and ammo n/t

[meow2u3]

23. When the kickbacks from gun manufacturers run dry

In other words, when hell freezes over.

[SCantiGOP]

29. Thanks, Stinky

For the no-nonsense, no-bullshit thread.

[Skittles]

30. it will NEVER be enough for gun humping cowards

THEY DO NOT CARE - their fear TRUMPS ALL