Weird. States w/ the most guns also have highest rates gun violence, and every one is GOP-led Red St

[riversedge]

The Baxter Bean ‏@TheBaxterBean 3h3 hours ago

Weird. States w/ the most guns also have highest rates gun violence, and every one is GOP-led Red State. #BatonRouge

[RKP5637]

1. Yep, no surprises there. n/t

[Vinca]

2. Apparently the police in Baton Rouge were frustrated because they put out a "BOL"

for suspects wearing black and carrying AKs, but such a large chunk of the population fits that description they can't tell the good guys from the bad guys.

[Motley13]

3. Alaska???

I find that hard to believe, they don't have that many people. Then again they have 1/2 Gov Sarah Palin

Texas doesn't look right either, I would think they would be the leader

[NightWatcher]

4. So what you're saying is guns kill people.

[TeddyR]

5. But this isn't accurate, or at least misrepresents the stats

The state/locality with the highest gun murder rate is far and away the District of Columbia, which has had one of the strongest gun control agendas around and is historically Dem. If you conflate firearm murders and suicides then you get drastically different results than it you separate the two, which I assume happened here?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/06/zero-correlation-between-state-homicide-rate-and-state-gun-laws/

And a piece from Factcheck:

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, both groups that advocate for strong gun laws, published a scorecard on state gun laws in 2013, giving higher letter grades to states with stronger gun laws. Nine of the 10 states with the highest firearm death rates, according to the CDC, got an “F” for their gun laws, and one of them got a “D-.” (Note that most states — 26 of them — received an “F.”) Seven of the states with the lowest firearm death rates got a “B” or higher; two received a “C” or “C-“; and one — New Hampshire — got a “D-.”

But again, that’s a correlation, not a causation. And the homicide rate statistics don’t show the same pattern. Eight of the 10 states with the highest homicide rates and eight of the 10 states with the lowest homicide rates all got “D” or “F” grades from the Brady Campaign analysis.

We have written before about gun control issues, and the inability to determine causation between gun laws and gun violence. As Susan B. Sorenson, a professor of social policy at the University of Pennsylvania, told us in 2012, “We really don’t have answers to a lot of the questions that we should have answers to.” And that’s partly because a scientific random study — in which one group of people had guns or permissive gun laws, and another group didn’t — isn’t possible.

And if you really think that firearm violence is a result of lax gun laws, then why are states like Vermont, Virginia, Wyoming and Utah, and even Texas, which have very liberal gun laws (and in the case of Utah and Wyoming two of the most conservative states in the union), not in the red on this map?

[oberliner]

6. How does Washington DC rank?

I know it's not a state, but do you know where it would place if it was?

[Motley13]

7. different poll

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_gun-crime-gun-violence

[tritsofme]

8. Gee...looks like that graphic solved Chicago's epic gun violence problem...thanks!